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Never said that it was the argument. The reason i said its off topic is because the center of the argument shifted or at least it seemed to me that it did
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Majin Buu and Gotenks' Vice Shout Scaling
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That was directed at Kepekly.
That was directed at Kepekly.
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Well whatever, its resolved so this convo is over. Someone close this
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The argument is: "Guldo can't fire ki blasts while Character A, who is weaker, can, so being stronger doesn't necessarily make you able to use a certain technique\attack"ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Except there is literally zero relation between the Vice Shout and a Ki Blast, other than fact they're techniques. Guldo didn't enter the Ginyu Force because of his strength, but because he had the ability to manipulate time. That's it. In order to be able to use ki, you need to actually train, which Guldo didn't. Seriously, even Saiyans need to train to harness their powers, and Guldo was a fodder-tier with no training whose only ability was to manipulate time. Nothing beyond that.
Things you need to do before learning Ki Manipulation:
- Train
- Meditate
Things you need to do before learning how to warp Space-Time with your voice:
- Be comparable to SSj3 Gotenks and Super Buu in strength.
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Okay? There being no relation between the 2 techniques doesn't mean the example's purpose isn't any less wrong.
But whatever. It's like AnonymoX said this thread should be closed.
But whatever. It's like AnonymoX said this thread should be closed.
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So I think almost everyone on this thread agrees, right?
Can the changes be made, like Ant suggested? "Limited Space-Time Manipulation" for Goku, Vegeta and the saiyan galz.
And "Likely" for the others who fulfill those conditions.
Can the changes be made, like Ant suggested? "Limited Space-Time Manipulation" for Goku, Vegeta and the saiyan galz.
And "Likely" for the others who fulfill those conditions.
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Not quite, Matt disagrees.
I'm fine with it, if it us exactly as ya just proposed .
I'm fine with it, if it us exactly as ya just proposed .
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He reopened it, and no, nijask thread actually.
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I'd give him a chance . He opened. Probably busy.
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Since I was not here for quite some time I don't exactly know what happened
but I can see that almost all members agree on this and Ryukama, UniteMyRice, SomebodyData, PaChi, Antvasima, Everlasting, etc are fine with this too.
but I can see that almost all members agree on this and Ryukama, UniteMyRice, SomebodyData, PaChi, Antvasima, Everlasting, etc are fine with this too.
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I'm fine with it, but he thinks it is bullshit.
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Yeah, but Id rather let him get a say and maybe provide sonething we missed , maybe ?.
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I agree. He did reopen this late last night. He likely didn't have a chance to say anything. Even if he's outvoted, I think he should at least have a say in this.
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Yeah but are ya sure dude it seemed longer than that .
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What's going on here
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To address Kukui's reasoning as to why Guldo can't use Energy blasts-- which he believes is relevant to this conversation and is apparently why he may still withhold a positive vote for this change:
Dark had kind of lightly touched on it. The reason Guldo didn't use a blast instead of his TK is likely because his energy blasts wouldn't do much. We already know that he was extremely weak. It would be more likely to assume that he figured his blasts wouldn't work on them instead of him not being able to create blasts at all. Guldo should be able to use Ki blasts, as he can use Ki to fly and flight is implied to be much harder to do than firing blasts.
But, yes, I think we should let Matt speak and then close the thread after we make a list of who this revision applies to and the updates are made.
Dark had kind of lightly touched on it. The reason Guldo didn't use a blast instead of his TK is likely because his energy blasts wouldn't do much. We already know that he was extremely weak. It would be more likely to assume that he figured his blasts wouldn't work on them instead of him not being able to create blasts at all. Guldo should be able to use Ki blasts, as he can use Ki to fly and flight is implied to be much harder to do than firing blasts.
But, yes, I think we should let Matt speak and then close the thread after we make a list of who this revision applies to and the updates are made.
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"The reason Guldo didn't use a blast instead of his TK is likely because his energy blasts wouldn't do much. We already know that he was extremely weak. It would be more likely to assume that he figured his blasts wouldn't work on them instead of him not being able to create blasts at all."
Because a stupid tree would be so much better than a blast of energy right? Sorry, but that doesn't justify this in any way shape or form. So Guldo was weakened. What of it? Using an ability to kill them would have been much better and made much more sense. That I can buy. But a tree? A literal tree? Yeah no. There is is no reason at all why he would do that.
Regardless, we all should still wait on what Matt has to say before this gets applied.
Because a stupid tree would be so much better than a blast of energy right? Sorry, but that doesn't justify this in any way shape or form. So Guldo was weakened. What of it? Using an ability to kill them would have been much better and made much more sense. That I can buy. But a tree? A literal tree? Yeah no. There is is no reason at all why he would do that.
Regardless, we all should still wait on what Matt has to say before this gets applied.
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My only two cents is that the Vice Shout is not space-time manipulation.
The ability to destroy space-time is not Space-Time Manipulation, it is instead Space-Time Destruction.
Just like cutting one's soul with a sword isn't Soul Manipulation, it is destroying souls.
The ability to destroy space-time is not Space-Time Manipulation, it is instead Space-Time Destruction.
Just like cutting one's soul with a sword isn't Soul Manipulation, it is destroying souls.
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But I am fine with adding that the DB characters can affect Space-Time with their raw power. But stating it to be "Space-Time Manipulation" is misleading.
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Opening a hole through a metal wall doesn't mean you have Metal Manipulation. That's just the result of your raw strength.AKM sama said:
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It's technically not Space-Time Manipulation, but we still link space-time related abilitites to "Space-Time Manipulation" when putting them into the profiles anyway.
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Method thiugh, portal creation via space and time tearing .
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I'd fully endorse Portal Creation without a problem.
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Well portals are usually just holes in space-time so the "space and time tearing" part is unneccesary.
Agreeing it should be portal creation instead.
Agreeing it should be portal creation instead.
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