Magnus the Red vs Vecna

[Overlord775]

Magnus probably has 1-B conceptual Manipulation tho

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

You sure? How? If he does this is a stomp. I really doubt he has that though.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Magnus doesnt have 1-B Concept Manip afaik.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It seems he does but he only resists on his greater god key. Seriously, if he does on his lesse god key then people need to fix this stuff up. Also I literally have no idea to what degree he resists it. I've already answered the 2-A scale part. I said he can use his speed to go through infinite universes and destroy the concepts in each.

No. Vecna resists concept hax in every key, the 2-A key just has it on a far greater scale.

 

[Dragopentling]

How potent is Vecna's mindhax in the 2-C key, if he has it?


Also, I'm assuming Magnus the Red has resistance to MM?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Seeing as how even Low 2-Cs have 2-A mindhax in D&D, yup it's 2-A.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Vecna's mindhax upscales a fair amount from baseline 2-A.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Do 5-B avatars of Shar and Odin have 2-A mindhax?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Do 5-B avatars of Shar and Odin have 2-A mindhax?

Baseline, but yes. Their 5-B/High 6-A keys have a Divine Rank of 0, which is still higher than a mortal.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Oh boy, if even High 6-A Vecna has 2-A mindhax, then that is way above Magnus's resistance.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

In all fairness the High 6-A form isn't far below them, it's just baseline. It's just a bit of their minds in a mortal body.

but yeah. 2-A range mindhax.

 

[Dragopentling]

Just waiting for Shadow here to drop that meme....

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Dragopentling You asked for it.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Still yet to be proven to work on Acausality Type 5 if you were paying attention. Also, it needs to be conceptual mindhax to work.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Vecna has type 2 conceptual manipulation. He can affect a type 5 acausal just fine.

And yes, D&D mindhax works on concepts.

 

[Overlord775]

Isn't Magnus able to percive the vast deepness of the warp aka at least 1-B space ?

Wouldn't that make his mind 1-B ?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No that wouldn't.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I've already debunked the mind hax working up above if you'd bother to read the thread. Also where does it affect concepts.

Type 2 cannot affect Type 5. It's bound to the cause and affect system.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Isn't Magnus able to percive the vast deepness of the warp aka at least 1-B space ?
Wouldn't that make his mind 1-B ?

No. He is able to however push his mind into the depths of the Warp using Enumerations. Which is pushing his mind into higher-dimensional space. That's how he perceives it. So this is yet again another way he avoids mind hax.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Cant he disperse his Mind into the Warp.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Yes he can.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I've already debunked the mind hax working up above if you'd bother to read the thread. Also where does it affect concepts.

Type 2 cannot affect Type 5. It's bound to the cause and affect system.

It's not bound to cause and effect.

I destroy something on a type 2 conceptual level = It can no longer exist, has never existed, and will never exist.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I'll leave the acausality argument to that particular thread. Go and post that there. Until it's applied it means nothing right now. Which is why I suggested waiting for it end first. Look how well that went.

 

[Dragopentling]

Thanks, @ShadowWarrior

I needed that xD

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Isn't Magnus able to percive the vast deepness of the warp aka at least 1-B space ?
Wouldn't that make his mind 1-B ?

This would make all D&D mindhax 1-A for being able to survive in the Far Realms, a 1-A space.

 

[JackJoyce]

Since when we started giving mindhax tiers? Calling it 4D is a better idea

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Technically we don't. But it's easier to say "2-A" than "It is 4-D and can spread its influence across an infinite multiverse".

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

For tier 2 it does.

2-A mindhax > 2-B mindhax.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

For tier 2 it does.
2-A mindhax > 2-B mindhax.

This, basically.

2-A just measures the infinity of your mindhax.

Universal - Infinite Minds

2-C/2-B - Infinity x ? Minds

2-A - Infinity^2 Minds

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

So range scales to mind manipulation according to this wiki? I shuld upgrade Magnus' range then.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So range scales to mind manipulation according to this wiki? I shuld upgrade Magnus' range then.

If you can actually manipulate the minds across that range.

For example. If Mal could just mindhax a singular person from across the multiverse, that's only inter-universal. But if she can control minds in every single universe in that multiverse, that's multiversal+.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

And what happens if all these people have no resistence.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Wdym? They're mindhaxed. Generally that won't happen, as gods tend to control their own followers and thus to use godly mindhax on them you'd have to beat the other guy's godly mindhax.

 

[JackJoyce]

If you mindhax humans across an infinite number of universes that's still High 3-A mindhax not 4D. It requires controlling an abstract or 4D mind to qualify for a 4D mindhax for example Palkia

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Vecna's mindhax is 4D and conceptual.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If you mindhax humans across an infinite number of universes that's still High 3-A mindhax not 4D

And if you mindhax 4-D beings across the multiverse?

Coz like I said, they can mindhax demon lords below them.

 

[JackJoyce]

@Mr. Bambu That's a very powerful 4D mindhax. None of this is going to affect Magnus though with his Acausality

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Acausality doesn't save him from conceptual mindhax way above his resistance.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

c o n c e p t u a l m a n i p u l a t i o n t y p e 2

 

[Udlmaster]

Still doesn't work. Just like in the Slannesh thread, Type 2 concepts have Type 4 Acausality not type 5.