Madara Uchiha VS Zagred

[TauanVictor]

it is rated as powernull, I dont care if u dont like

Definitely a CRT needs to be done on this.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Definitely a CRT needs to be done on this.

Why does it? Spells cannot be casted in their presence, which is powernull

 

[Theendzero13]

So...lets come back to the genjutsu stuff since that is the deciding factor here?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Good luck with giving Zagred magic immunity

That would end up as an upgrade, assuming it would even be accepted

 

[Theendzero13]

Good luck with giving Zagred magic immunity

That would end up as an upgrade, assuming it would even be accepted

(He may have magic inmunity with his hearth, but i am still working on that CRT)

 

[Epsilon_R]

To me, Genjutsu should work. It would work on a few verses at best if it was limited to the chakra system thingy

 

[WrongIdea21]

He corrupts the opponent via either pouring negative emotions in them or enhancing their already-existent negative emotions.

Yuno has already resisted the former as he's the only character in the manga that overcame his possession by an elf, and has no negative-emotions to be affected by the latter to begin with

Never used it to Yami and Charlotte.

 

[Theendzero13]

To me, Genjutsu should work. It would work on a few verses at best if it was limited to the chakra system thingy

Tempest seens to think that it needs a chakra pathway in the following thread:
QUESTIONS ABOUT SBA AND HAXES

It also requires a brain which zagred does not seen to have

 

[Epsilon_R]

Never used it to Yami and Charlotte.

None of them have hatred, not as much as Patry if anything. Also I never said he uses that in character

 

[Theendzero13]

He was toying with charlotte and yami anyway

 

[TauanVictor]

Ningendō works?

 

[WrongIdea21]

Good luck with giving Zagred magic immunity

That would end up as an upgrade, assuming it would even be accepted

Maybe not immunity, I'll propose to resistance. It's similiar to six path body Juubito.

 

[WrongIdea21]

None of them have hatred, not as much as Patry if anything. Also I never said he uses that in character

So, why did you think it would works on Madara since he have no hatred too As well, what he do on his entire life is base on Love.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Villains tend to have tragic backstories and be full of-

I don't know myself honestly....

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Well, so now genjutsu has become a fodder hax that only works on an extremely specific energy system? Because if so, this is going to be funny

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Zagred have passive powernull far above baseline

Btw the power null is limited if the opponent is comparable or stronger if I am not wrong

 

[Theendzero13]

Well, so now genjutsu has become a fodder hax that only works on an extremely specific energy system? Because if so, this is going to be funny

It seens like it at least according to the thread i posted above

Honestly verse equalization is such a vague and up to interpretation topic on this site, maybe someone should set a most defined set of rules for equalization and its limitations, somebody should, somebody......
.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Btw the power null is limited if the opponent is comparable or stronger if I am not wrong

He is stronger than Madara

 

[Theendzero13]

Btw the power null is limited if the opponent is comparable or stronger if I am not wrong

Indeed the powernull only works on weaker people but the only thing in edo madara arsenal who scales to zagred is the perfect susanoo

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Madara doesn't have amaterasu? If it doesn't work my vote goes to zagred

 

[Bernkastelll]

Madara doesn't have amaterasu? If it doesn't work my vote goes to zagred

That's a thing to Itachi mangenkyo sharingan

 

[Theendzero13]

Madara doesn't have amaterasu? If it doesn't work my vote goes to zagred

That is a itachi and sasuke thing ( itachi gave it to sasuke, other mangekyo users do not have it)

 

[TauanVictor]

Madara doesn't have amaterasu? If it doesn't work my vote goes to zagred

I mean, there's a theory that Izuna has Amaterasu from a Tobirama line that implies that, and how Izuna passed his Mangekyō to Madara...

But well, it's just theory.

 

[TauanVictor]

Indeed the powernull only works on weaker people but the only thing in edo madara arsenal who scales to zagred is the perfect susanoo

Would Bloodlusted Madara be more fair?

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean, there's a theory that Izuna has Amaterasu from a Tobirama line that implies that, and how Izuna passed his Mangekyō to Madara...

Baseless and 0 proofs

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Would Bloodlusted Madara be more fair?

A Bloodlusted High 7-A VS a Low 6-B

 

[TauanVictor]

Baseless and 0 proofs

That is why it's a theory.

 

[TauanVictor]

A Bloodlusted High 7-A VS a Low 6-B

Bloodlusted Madara starts with Perfect Susano'o which is Low 6-B.

 

[Theendzero13]

Bloodlusted Madara starts with Perfect Susano'o which is Low 6-B.

I don't think madara being bloodlusted hepls much zagred has other forms of power null which are not stats reliant and space manipulation to take madara out of the perfect susanoo

 

[TauanVictor]

Use the Country Level version against Dante

Jūbi Jinchūriki (One Rinnegan)?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Bloodlusted Madara starts with Perfect Susano'o which is Low 6-B.

Small Country level (Became much stronger than before after gaining a body. Stated he could fight Prime Lumiere once he gains a grimoire and a body), Can ignore conventional Durability with his trident (His otherworldly trident breaks down whatever it touches)

 

[God900]

So, now Genjutsu doesn't work on non Chakra users anymore?