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Dragon Slayer vs Dragon Slayer (Luffy vs Natsu)
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Honestly Natsu's X792 profile is kinda ass just because it's not split into keys at all - which I find really dumb. But Luffy also has 5-C stuff that one-shots Natsu's High 6-A keys, so I'm not sure what to make of all this
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Natsu is 20.1 Petatons and 0.1c, 80.4 Petatons and 0.4c with FDKM.
Luffy is 4.56 Petatons, 18.24 Petatons with Gear 2+3 or Snakeman, 36.48 Petatons with Boundman, 72.96 Petatons with Strongest Attacks. 10.66c in all forms, far higher reactions + precog with Kenbunshoku
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Ichigo
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Okay, well this gets a lot more interesting when speed is equalized, I just wanted to point out the messiness that is Natsu's key arrangement... or lack thereof, because it makes it way more clunky for stuff like this
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Okay, so unless speed is equalized, Luffy pretty easily wins here. He already has speed in his base form to blitz Natsu. If it is, the blitz only gets delayed. Luffy usually starts his fights with either Gear 2nd or either Gear 4th variant, all of which are over a blitz amp. Luffy also can see into the future with Advanced Kenbun.
With Buso Emission, he can avoid coming into contact with the flames and heat of Natsu's attacks like he did with Kaidou, and with Advanced Buso Emission, Luffy can transmit his attacks inside of Natsu's body, dealing durability negation.
On top of all of this, Luffy has a very very large LS advantage (1.0326968e19 Newtons, 1.72515577e25 Newtons in Gear 5 for Luffy vs 1.30954517e15 Newtons for Natsu [a difference of over 13 billion times]), which means that added on top of his speed advantage, the moment Luffy gets a hold of Natsu, the fight would be pretty much over.
With Buso Emission, he can avoid coming into contact with the flames and heat of Natsu's attacks like he did with Kaidou, and with Advanced Buso Emission, Luffy can transmit his attacks inside of Natsu's body, dealing durability negation.
On top of all of this, Luffy has a very very large LS advantage (1.0326968e19 Newtons, 1.72515577e25 Newtons in Gear 5 for Luffy vs 1.30954517e15 Newtons for Natsu [a difference of over 13 billion times]), which means that added on top of his speed advantage, the moment Luffy gets a hold of Natsu, the fight would be pretty much over.
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@Kachon123 Speed is equalized now so things are different
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Well assuming they start with speed equalized in base, Natsu gets a 4x speed amp with FDKM, so I think it gets much tricker for Luffy. In addition, his heat covered the entire length of Lake Scillora - over 11.5 km long, for reference. With a maximum starting distance of 4 km, Luffy's absolutely getting caught in 200 million degree heat.
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Natsu's fire is very obviously only the same temperature as a military issued flame thrower-
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TRUE ACTUALLY!
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I really don't think so. SBA states that Luffy would know he's supposed to be fighting Natsu, meaning his Kenbun would be activated before they even interact. Because of this, he'd be seeing the future several seconds in advance and be able to use Buso Emission to block.
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What's the extent of Luffy's Heat Resistance with Buso Emission, though? Because the resistance won't be enough if it's to a temperature noticeably below what Natsu can output
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There should be more Natsu matches tbh...
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How come? His Buso Emission was able to completely block out the heat of Kaidou's Flaming Dragon, which could melt Luffy's normal Buso.
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Because resisting heat can be overcome if the opponent outputs a heat greater than that of what they can resist. Someone could resist 10,000 degree heat, but the opponent can turn it up to, say, 30,000 degrees and the resistance suddenly means nothing. This just tells me that Kaidou's Flaming Dragon is hotter than what Luffy's normal Buso can withstand
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Tbh Luffy is already resistant to something that's considered as incredibly impressive in FT. Ignia did state that burning water is something only the hottest of fire can do.
That being the same thing that Akainu did, being able to set the ocean near punk Hazzard a permanent hellscape. But yeah in terms of actual numbers for the heat, Akainu's stuff isn't quite as high but capable of passively vaporize steel and being able to directly overpower that level of resistance with direct application of his heat.
Buso emissions should be able to handle it since it isn't something that can really transfer heat properly. Natsu would need to break the Buso via AP before he can actually transfer heat.
That being the same thing that Akainu did, being able to set the ocean near punk Hazzard a permanent hellscape. But yeah in terms of actual numbers for the heat, Akainu's stuff isn't quite as high but capable of passively vaporize steel and being able to directly overpower that level of resistance with direct application of his heat.
Buso emissions should be able to handle it since it isn't something that can really transfer heat properly. Natsu would need to break the Buso via AP before he can actually transfer heat.
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Buso Emission and "normal" Buso have no differences. They're the same thing, just one projected forward while the other one isn't. Kaidou's heat being stopped by the Buso Emission implies less of it being something that can be affected by heat and such.
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Tbh I think the stronger argument for Natsu instead of flame temp bypassing Buso would be power nullification.
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That's very iffy to me, because by that same metric, I could ask: "Why does emitting it suddenly mean it can't be affected by heat?" I mean, it's the exact same thing just projected forward, so why the sudden change?
While true, I think there is a legit argument to be made for Natsu's heat here
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Same reason why matter hax doesn't really work against most barriers. They typically don't have any actual matter to effect, Buso emissions are just the extention of one's own will power.
So yeah it's really less of the temperature here and moreso a question of what he can burn. Natsu's ability to burn shit is pretty inconsistent since it's tied to his emotions. Sometimes he can burn things like concepts, sometimes he can't burn shit like water.
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Tbf that (I’m assuming you mean during early 100YQ) was because he was already underwater, so he couldn’t even ignite his fist to begin with
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And the time in Tartaros with Tempest. But yeah thats basically what I mean, his nullification and temp are usually a peak thing so it can vary in potency.
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Even normally it’s comparable to lightning in temperature, if we’re going by his profile
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Based on how emotional he is, he can "burn" things away. Even concepts, but that requires him going through "your trying to kill my friends." type of emotion which wouldn't happen here.
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It still works in his normal state, just not to a degree that lets him burn concepts and time itself
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Why is Jujutsu kaisen tagged here????
Yet another reason to ban the OP from JJK threads lmfao
Yet another reason to ban the OP from JJK threads lmfao
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Getting trolled by Mr.Cartoon man>>>Getting angry at dead friends
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Isn’t this a one shot for Natsu? Igneel’s power may be restricted but DF and Dragonization isn’t. The profile says both are higher into 5A than Igneel’s power.
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It's implied that because Igneel's power is restricted, so would DF and Dragonization, since they're all 5-A.
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Yeah, it should be specified that all of Natsu's 5-A stuff is restricted. Because, uh... Yeah that would make this a one-shot
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How much heat can Luffy withstand? because the heat from Natsu's fire itself has reached 200 million degrees Celsius, and if Luffy is only in the tens, his heat resistance is useless.
