Bowser war burning by heat in a reactor.
my justification is that it should be able to support the amount of magic required to hold the universe intact.
if his dura is low 2-C then his AP would also be low 2-C from powerscaling.
the reactor isn't lethal, mario does the damage.
Matt can you please just slow down, so many posts are being made and I can’t even tell what topic we’re on anymore
The 5-B feat is ******* wrong it needs a recalc. The calculation is ancient and doesn't follow current standards of how clouds work.
The lava isn't Low 2-C my guy. The full collapse of the reactor's entire power is Low 2-C.
Not a portion of infinite damaage, this doesn't exist! Mario Fans invented this for this thread! You don't backscale from getting hurt by a tiny fragment of something that only has a Low 2-C feat when it explodes.
Tell that to the 10 people sniping at me at once. I answer to people.
it’s called making an essay, not shoot out comments every 5 seconds
Even ignoring Rosie, you’d be ignoring Black Jewel as well. Which has faaaaar more credence.
I addressed Rosie and why it doesn't scale to Mario several times, Cal. I wasn't even talking about it.
my point still stands, it'd probably be somewhere in tier 7/6 which by your logic would be an outlier.
Which one? The Wario Land feat?
If Bowser, the final boss, doesn't scale to the full power of a Grand Star even when using one, why would the previous, weaker bosses?
then low 2-C would also be viable as those are both from only 1 feat.
And yet she isn't one-shot by them, you realize you can still scale off of someone who is still stronger than you right? You don't need to be equal to scale to someone, I should not be explaining this shit.
This isn't scaling based off of cosmology or shit, this is her making an item that has her own magic, making the scaling. Timeframe doesn't matter when we know she can already take hits from it and still harm Mario.
Ignoring the the meaning of "the very fabric of reality" is what you cannot argue against. What is shown prior does not matter, this does not suddenly invalidate what the word means, that shit is your headcanon. Olly being amped is irrelevant when Mario already overpowers and harms him BEFORE using the Magic Circle. Which by the way, still does not amp Mario, not once has it through the entire game. 1,000 folded arms is meant for hard to reach places.
Matt, you would have to prove their is different types of magic, any examples you have is for a verse that has rules on it. I do not have to prove a negative.
Because you still ignore how Antasma even has this power to begin with and why it isn't some hax only attack. Dream World. He gets his power from being inside of dream worlds, that's how he has full power. If his low 2-C power comes from using the dream world to boost him, this applies to everything else. Only picking one thing is cherrypicking.
Haha, no. If we allow Rosalina tanking the reset as Low 2-C, Bowser gets the same. You'd have to downgrade Rosalina first. Until then, you still cannot argue this.
Yes, because ground pounding the energy several times without dying means your durability isn't comparable, great logic. He can keep jumping into it as much as he wants, not once will he die from it. Saying he can't scale off of that is ridiculous.
And his guide supported that, good to know. Mistranslation =/= Unallowed guide, you are talking about two completely different things. Dishonest yet again.
I. Do. Not. Need. To. Prove. A. Negative.
Magic, just like everything else they do. That's their thing.
Flipside itself is an entire dimension, unless a dimension between dimension already existed.
"Hmm, lets say in our game, we have this final boss who can destroy the universe. So out hero has to save the universe." Next game "Let's add the description of our hero, he has to save the universe again like last time", I seriously do not know how this isn't supporting it. Also you keep talking about the Shadow Queen, but the Crystal Stars are still the items Grodus was trying to use, not sure why that is your point.
Bowser isn't amped either, the Grand Stars are inside the reactor. Its base forms.
Says who? You wouldn't want to be shielded from something can hurt you, even if it doesn't kill you? I can shield my allies in Earthbound to prevent damage, guess I can't scale everyone.
This is false and to anyone who says Mario's strength has stayed is false. There are many examples of Mario getting stronger overtime.
I never used this as an argument, I was referring to terms.
Antasma is not 2-B in this fight, he is only 2-B via the Dark Stone. However he never uses it against Mario, as he destroyed it a long time ago. If you agree it is Low 2-C then...
Well you did have William Afton nearly win, so I believe a torture is the better option
I'd just say Mario and Luigi defeating characters amped by it is good enough for them to scale.
No. You debunked nothing. Now can we please get to the voting!?
that'd be derailing, it should be saved for later.
i don't think they're weak enough to be possibly low 2-C rather than flat low 2-C
Ah yes, Mario Kart, the same verse in which goombas can affect bowser
It's not a verse but a series
In hindsight, given the existence of Bowser's Minions, a Stone Army esque "Combined" key for fodder troops might not be a terrible idea.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the fact that they can gain Grand Stars. And to be fair, Goombas can one-shot Mario in most of the main games, and that is a clear game mechanic.
This is:
Making an item with her magic isn't grounds for scaling, explained once and explained again. If she can do it by herself she wouldn't need the item to do it for her. Her feat comes from the power of the Crystal Stars and not her own base power.
No, I can argue for it and I will argue against it.
No, you need to prove a positive. "They scale to each other" is a positive statement that requires evidence.
1. Antasma's own power is irrelevant to physical. Magic and Hax need evidence that they scale to Striking Strength and Durability, which, again, you haven't provided. Why should Antasma's ability to turn a Dream World into a Nightmare scale to his beak, his wings, his claws, whatever. Why is this Dream Manipulation Hax something that scales to offensive power.
Bowser is confused and stumbling because Mario beat him up. Bowser was caught in the explosion and survived it with the rest of the universe, simple as is.
No, his durability isn't comparable. He can barely touch the edge of the reactor's flames without burning himself, meaning that he does not scale to its full power, much less the Black Hole formed from its eventual collapse at the end of the game. Saying that he doesn't scale is absolutely valid.
"Guide supports it" is a meaningless argument. We didn't use any guidebook for Culex, only the original Japanese Text. You are pretending that Culex wasn't BTFOd in the original thread to pass it here.
You do not know what a negative is. You need to prove that they scale. Which is a positive. This is the issue.
1. It being magic on its own means nothing. Magic doesn't necessarily always scale to itself unless you have evidence for it. Can you prove the positive?
1. It's very likely that it did, they just created the dimensions so why not create a town between the dimensions?
She can't destroy the universe, I already categorically proven this with the actual game. Deal with it.
I don't care about any Luma Amp argument. Bowser and Mario both demonstrably don't scale to the Grand Star reactor. Why should it be used to scale to them when its mere flames are fatal to Bowser?
This is a completely unrelated game and also an argument based on game mechanics and not story. You failed to address his argument.
These are all RPGs where Mario goes back to base in his next adventure.
Not canonically as she is not part of the story nor in the cutscenes.
I agree
it's probably only affecting the kart (except bob-ombs).
