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This is a terrible argument because he gets riddled with bullets and dies. The writers of Final Fantasy VII don't view him as bulletproof at all.
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Low 2-C Mario: In The Final
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All the statements that would begin to prove the paintings are universal are Nintendo Power so they're invalid.
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He got riddled with bullets and survived for like a good hour, it wasn't until like 3 soldiers were left when he actually died. That shows he has far higher durability then a regular human who would've died from the first soldier alone. The writers of Final Fantasy 7 not viewing him as bulletproof is completely irrelevant to my claim nor what I said whatsoever, what I brought up was that in context he can tank bullets, but I'm 99% sure he'd prefer blocking them with his sword over letting the bullet hit him, you missed my point entirely.
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Don't know too much about FF7, but I don't think that "barely tanking" or "tanked before dying" feats count for durability. And I don't think this is relevant to this thread either.
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Going to tackle this on an unrelated manner, but yes.
Mario is weaker than Bowser in like every single game. They are comparable, yes, but Bowser is always portrayed as physically stronger than the Plumbers, who must often overcome the challenge through other means.
Just look at every Mario game...
- Super Mario 1. Mario either defeats Bowser by knocking the bridge, or by using a Power Up (Fire Flower)
- Super Mario 3. Mario either defeats Bowser by making him destroy the arena, or by using Power Ups
- Super Mario World. Bowser cannot be damaged normally and you must throw the wind-up bombs back at him
- Super Mario 64. Bowser cannot be damaged normally and you must sneak around him, grab his tail and throw him into the landmines
- Super Mario Sunshine. Bowser cannot be damaged and you must destroy the Bathtub he's in to knock him down.
- Super Mario Galaxy. Bowser must be stunned in the reactor so you can hit him with the Spin Attack.
- Super Mario Odyssey. Game literally opens with Mario being defeated by Bowser in a physical fight, and you need to use the Hat to defeat him in the final battle.
The intent throughout the whole franchise is clear. Mario, while comparable, is physically weaker than Bowser, but makes up for it with other ways. Bowser is the big dumb brute. Mario is smaller and weaker, but he's smart and inventive and overcomes the odds. Mario is the underdog hero and Bowser is the powerhouse villain.
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The relevancy it holds is that a character can in context tank attacks but would rather block, I listed an example of that because it coincides with my point, so no, it holds relevancy.
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The issue is that Bowser would have likely died from the blast, had the Luma's not intervened.
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Giver, he should tank bullets because he is scaled of really high feats but in the actual game where he is shown dodging and blocking bullets he doesn't tank them when finally hit, they piece his skin.
Wonder Woman is the closest thing I can think of to a character who shields herself from bullets but can tank them but even them bulletproof Wonder Woman is a modern construct that didn't exist until very recently. She was portrayed as vulnerable to bullets for like 70 years until she started getting bulletproof feats.
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Yeah the blast was lethal as it brought about the end of the universe. Interpreting Bowser to have survived it is like saying every atom in the universe is Low 2-C.
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Hence why I'm more for partial Low 2-C scaling for the base forms. The Galaxy feats are there, but the fact that Base Bowser was likely going to die from a Baseline Low 2-C blast basically proves that the base forms shouldn't fully scale to Low 2-C at all.
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Idc about the feats listed on the profile, that's not at all my point with this, I'm going by what's shown in the game, not on the profile, viewing the scene itself as is. Zack legit gets shot a bunch during that scene you literally see him bleeding and everything but he doesn't immediately die, a regular human would die with the damages he sustained. I can tell you one bullet being shot at him via this wouldn't be as big of a threat to him since it took hundreds to do so, yet he would still most definitely
block the bullet over just letting it hit him.
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i very recently said that bowser should upscale to the other bosses who are empowered by a grand star. him surviving getting hurt by the reactor would be an outlier, if not a supporting feat for that.
also you're ignoring that it's completely impossible to build a low 2-C space over time. you either build it or you don't, and that's that.
that would be an outlier given all of the other feats.
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How. It shows that he is much weaker and that the amp is unquantifiable.
Bowser wouldn't even survive the collapse of the universe, he was going to die. They state it was lethal to him.
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1-A mario please?
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As a Moderator, I'm going to be real.
Stop trolling in this thread. Go outside. This thread has already had a ton of contlict and we don't need more snark now that it's in a polite state again.
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nice self advice
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Can this thread please not turn into another "who's hate boner is larger" thread?
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I'm in lockdown.
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And it's 11:03 pm where i'm at.
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Guys behave.
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he's literally the final boss. the amp being unquantifiable comes from you saying he's able to be harmed by the reactor when he has a grand star. he doesn't have a grand star in any of those 3 fights. also i just said that what shows that bowser's much weaker is an outlier. "but if they used all of it's power it'd drain instantly" they could be using 99% of the power and we wouldn't know.
that doesn't change what i said, mario wouldn't survive falling into a pit or getting smashed by a thwomp (in smg at least).
damn bro that roast was epic. matt might have to resign as mod now.
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So this proves that people "amped by Grand Stars" are weaker than Base Bowser who can't even touch the fires of the Grand Star Reactor without burning his tail...
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We don't tho.
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Jesus Christ this is the most active trend and fastest popular trend in VSBW history
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no, it proves that bowser's stronger than all of those people. that, again, would be an outlier.
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We have. Only you and ryu are arguing, and we are just going in circles. Both sides are hell bent on making the other yield, when it is blatantly obvious that no one will.
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"it proves he is stronger than them"
"it proves they are weaker than him"
These are the same thing. Is people amped by Grand Stars are weaker than a Bowser who cannot touch the Grand Star reactor without hurting himself, and the Low 2-C feat comes from the collapse of the Grand Star reactor creating a Black Hole...
Then yeah they don't scale to the Low 2-C.
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The Bleach thread actually expanded to 12 pages fast; that's over 1100 posts.
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Did the Bleach trend expand in one day?
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Then we need to keep on trucking! I will refuse to let some bs bleach rating beat this thread.
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Bleach has more than 2 people constantly arguing.
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no, i'm saying that the earlier bosses are at exactly low 2-C, and that bowser is above them. one more time, that's an outlier. that low 2-C feat has been legit for ages.
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The Low 2-C feat is the collapse of the Grand Star Reactor which creates the Black Hole.
Bowser, the end boss, cannot touch the fire of the Reactor without burning his tail. He is weaker thant the Reactor.
The earlier bosses cannot be Low 2-C.
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Based
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The earlier bosses can be Low 2-C, as they are empowered by the Grand Star. As ridiculous as it might sound, the earlier bosses should be stronger than Bowser, the main final boss since Bowser isn't empowered by a Grand Star in MG1.
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Can you please stop saying "outlier" each time you don't want a feat to be accepted?
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But it's the collapse of the reactor using all the stars that makes the Low 2-C feat, not the stars independent. This just indicates that the amp doesn't scale.
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The Galaxy reactor is being empowered by 1 Grand Star, If I remember correctly. (We only see one star inside of the reactor). So yes, it would scale, since the bosses excluding Bowser have Grand Stars.
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