This is:
1. Completely irrelevant to my point, the power of the Crystal Stars is higher than the Shadow Queen's own, so she doesn't scale, you cannot use the Crystal Stars as argument for herself.
2. Not at all the argument you made, you changed your tune in respond to my criticism.
I can because she still survives attacks like Supernova, Mario strengthens himself via Power Lift, etc. She would have been fodder if she were that much weaker. Not even the strongest attack does enough damage.
- "Now comes from scaling. Obviously the Shadow Queen scales"
Okay. What's funnier actually is before people give their wishes, the Crystal Stars do not actually harm her.
Making an item with her magic isn't grounds for scaling, explained once and explained again. If she can do it by herself she wouldn't need the item to do it for her. Her feat comes from the power of the Crystal Stars and not her own base power.
Timeframe is 100% important because it determines whether or not she made the artifact instantaneously or with effort, crafting it.
Hitting and taking attacks from Mario is utterly irrelevant to this conversation on the Crystal Stars.
Matt. Mario uses the Crystal Stars to harm the Shadow Queen. Earth Tremor, Art Attack, Supernova. These are used with the Crystal Stars.
Not really, she can take its attacks.
No, I can argue for it and I will argue against it.
"The very fabric of reality" does not mean universal scale, this is something which you have invented without providing evidence. The expression "the very" is merely an intensifier meant to reinforce an idea. By stating that Olly is simply reinforcing how powerful he is now, not only able to fold structures but also space-time.
Mario only overpowers Olly with help from Bowser, other people, and the Magic Circle. Base Mario does not scale to his Reality-Folding ability anyway as it is not physical.
That sounds like headcanon my guy, this point you legitimately cannot refute other than switching up their meanings. It's ad nauseum. I am not about to argue against the definition.
Stop with this argument, Mario does not require help.
Mario ends up overpowering King Olly on his own. Bowser nor the Magic Circle (which is still not an amp by the way throughout the entire game) were used in that scene. To me it seems like you can't accept Mario being stronger than Olly despite him showing it.
No, you need to prove a positive. "They scale to each other" is a positive statement that requires evidence.
Evidence you don't provide, mind you.
Making the claim there is varying magic they use is a negative statement. Stop trying to turn this around, burden of proof is on you. I don't have to prove their magic varies if they only have one type.
1. Antasma's own power is irrelevant to physical. Magic and Hax need evidence that they scale to Striking Strength and Durability, which, again, you haven't provided. Why should Antasma's ability to turn a Dream World into a Nightmare scale to his beak, his wings, his claws, whatever. Why is this Dream Manipulation Hax something that scales to offensive power.
2. Whether dreams are universes is unrelated. It is still a Dream Manipulation feat that I want evidence for physical scaling.
3. This is poisoning the well, vague, and means nothing.
Still ignoring that his entire amp comes from being in a dream world. If that amp literally gives him the Low 2-C power, it should be the same for anything else my guy. If anything, when Mario is inside the nightmare Antasma has power over, Mario can take his energy attacks. Seems fine by me. Antasma can also harm himself with his own energy ball and waves, so that too.
Bowser is confused and stumbling because Mario beat him up. Bowser was caught in the explosion and survived it with the rest of the universe, simple as is.
I am not ignoring any statement, rather I am taking the scene at face value for what it is. Bowser didn't tank any explosion, he merely got caught in the blast with the rest of the universe, which was restored back to normal.
He is dazed and confused whereas Mario and Peach aren't because of the shielding.
You basically ignore the:
- "Mario and Peach manage to escape Bowser's immediate fate, but the reactor's force is too strong."
- "Even Bowser is there, shaken by his narrow escape from a horrible fate."
It says it right there Matt. He is shaken (like the scene shows) by his narrow escape from a horrible fate (death). The horrible fate being the reactor. Put two to two together and actually look at it. Moot point otherwise.
No, his durability isn't comparable. He can barely touch the edge of the reactor's flames without burning himself, meaning that he does not scale to its full power, much less the Black Hole formed from its eventual collapse at the end of the game. Saying that he doesn't scale is absolutely valid.
You cannot harm Bowser unless he is already stunned from his burning red tail.
Barley would mean at a near death state, which nothing has displayed so. He is taking a dip inside it. Again, unless Bowser was going to actually die, he does not "barley survive" it.
"Guide supports it" is a meaningless argument. We didn't use any guidebook for Culex, only the original Japanese Text. You are pretending that Culex wasn't BTFOd in the original thread to pass it here.
Secondly, I am talking about the same thing. Only the original language is what's being allowed. And I'm not the only one deciding, the entire wiki decides that the Original Language of the text is the valid version. Trying to use anything else is dishonesty.
**** no, we still allowed his statement for the range on both things. Language is only an issue if there are contradictions, which you need to find yourself. We still use them, make a thread for it or shoo, because I am not going to continue arguing an already accepted standard.
You do not know what a negative is. You need to prove that they scale. Which is a positive. This is the issue.
By default we don't assume they scale unless you can prove why, which you haven't. You just are comitting the Burden of Proof fallacy here. Proving that the magic scales is entirely on you, and should you be incapable of this means they don't scale.
The Pixls and the Ancients together created worlds through unknown means with magic technology that has been lost. Them fighting in a war is entirely unrelated from this vague magical feat.
They scale to their creator's magic, easy as that. They fight, thus their magic was used.
I don't need to prove why their magic varies if it's still only one type of magic. Isn't like Hero who has varying levels of his spells.
Them fighting means the Pixls survived their magic attacks.
1. It being magic on its own means nothing. Magic doesn't necessarily always scale to itself unless you have evidence for it. Can you prove the positive?
2. Yes it is, it doesn't matter that the universe has time, creating something over time isn't grounds to scale over the whole thing.
1. Magic used to create and that same magic used to fight someone means it scales. I'm only scaling magic which is what the Pixls and Mimi survive.
2. You cannot create something infinite and something with time over time, it would still only result as Low 2-C. How am I going to create only part of infinite if I still have an infinite distance left? See the issue?
1. It's very likely that it did, they just created the dimensions so why not create a town between the dimensions?
2. Yes, what magic and how much time and how does this matter for any scaling whatsoever. These are questions you must answer.
Because Flipside itself is stated to be a dimension between dimensions.
Same answer. Shotgun argument.
She can't destroy the universe, I already categorically proven this with the actual game. Deal with it.
She was surrounding the world (The planet) in darkness in a sequence that is shown in game, leads to everyone declaring the world will be destroyed / will end and after you defeat her Peach thanks Mario for saving the world from terrible darkness.
The Shadow Queen and the Crystal Stars are not universal you cannot be this dishonest.
The Crystal Stars can, stated by the Nintendo Magazine with info from the companies and implied in SPM. Deal with it.
Implying that is her full potential, why does it stop her from destroying everything else? If Mario lost and she destroyed everything after that, seems logical to me. World still was gonna be destroyed. Also it's a good thing the Crystal Stars were stated to have this power, whew.
I don't care about any Luma Amp argument. Bowser and Mario both demonstrably don't scale to the Grand Star reactor. Why should it be used to scale to them when its mere flames are fatal to Bowser?
Fatal but Bowser never dies from it once. Sounds fatal to me.
This is a completely unrelated game and also an argument based on game mechanics and not story. You failed to address his argument.
No, the argument is that shielding something suddenly means you can't survive it. Nothing suggests they were going to die from it, it's literally Rosalina preventing harm and trying to teach Mario. You failed to address my argument.
These are all RPGs where Mario goes back to base in his next adventure.
Almost as if that's a game mechanic and ignores lore like Luigi saying they fight the Shroobs and plenty of other stuff meaning all of these events actually happened. Crazy how none of my arguments was Mario leveling up but simply he gets stronger.
Not canonically as she is not part of the story nor in the cutscenes.
Enough with this Watsonian argument. Rosalina can be harmed by Goombas in 3D World Gameplay, doesn't mean they scale either. The obvious answer is that it's meant to make the game fun and challenging.
Yes canonically, there is a
post-game cutscene where they travel to space and she decides to
join. Rosalina doesn't even have anything to suggest she's stronger. If you don't want to scale her off of enemies, why not bosses? In post-game there a boss rush level, which Rosalina can be in already.