Low 2-C Mario: In The Final

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, but in a verse as big as mario, especially since a baseline low 2-C feat needed rosalina to protect him from, those 3 feats are inconsistent, PLUS the 3 feats are a bit fishy.

I don’t care if you’ve been around for a century. Three feats should give more than enough evidence for an upgrade unless there’s a damn good reason not to.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

Everyone in the thread acting with passive-aggression against each other

Reading this thread is a painful experience to say the least

 

[TheRexor28]

That doesn't change my argument, Mario still wins through the help of Origami Bowser who is being amped. He had no chance on his own.


Creating an amp overtime obviously doesn't scale to yourself before the Amp what is this circular logic. You're arguing that Olly is stronger than himself.

Also Olivia gives Mario a magic circle to fight Olly:


The game states she needs them to control the world.


Prove the attacks are as powerful as keeping the universe intact. At worse it's an outlier.

fair point.

by over time you mean in like, 30 seconds which is barely anything, plus im pretty sure we scale amping to who/whatever does the amp.

mario can still take hits from olly when the circle is disabled, and scaling to those who can harm him also scales it to AP.

doesn't mean they're so far above her that she can't scale to them, also that could be via powers and abilities

why wouldn't it be as powerful? there's no reason for it to hold back, also wario can harm it when it's been KO by the things in the arena too.

The lumas sacrificed themselves for the Big Bang well before Rosie could even have a chance of being pulled in.

black holes aren't a dura feat anyway.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I'm switching to agreeing to upgrades.

 

[Armorchompy]

The lumas sacrificed themselves for the Big Bang well before Rosie could even have a chance of being pulled in.

So? If she had no change of being pulled in, she didn't tank it at all.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

by over time you mean in like, 30 seconds which is barely anything, plus im pretty sure we scale amping to who/whatever does the amp.

mario can still take hits from olly when the circle is disabled, and scaling to those who can harm him also scales it to AP.

Why would Olly's fists stomping the ground scale to his folding of the fabric of reality?

 

[InfiniteDay]

The release of the Shadow Queen starts covering the entire world in darkness in a sequence that goes on for several minutes and several characters comment on it.

And then after the Shadow Queen is defeated, Peach says this:



"If not for all of you, the world would have fallen into terrible darkness."

World = Planet in TTYD unarguably.

I argue, good sir. You see, a planet can also be a Low 2-C universe because I say so and that is unargueable.

 

[TheGatememer]

well, gl on this thread.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

I don’t care if you’ve been around for a century. Three feats should give more than enough evidence for an upgrade unless there’s a damn good reason not to.

Damn good reason like, various anti-feats from the lore.
Also, which 3 feats, Matt agrees to a Low 2-C SPM, but which other 2?

 

[Hunterzillas]

Question. Are all the old Mario upgrades threads erased because of the forum change?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

One, black holes ignore durability

Then it's not a durability feat lmao.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Question. Are all the old Mario upgrades threads erased because of the forum change?

Threads before May 10 are here, you just need to find them, some Mario threads from May 10 - The forum move may have been archived

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Damn good reason like, various anti-feats from the lore.
Also, which 3 feats, Matt agrees to a Low 2-C SPM, but which other 2?

No, damn good reason like street tiers not scaling to heralds.
SPM, Rosalina, and Black Jewel.

 

[TheRexor28]

Why would Olly's fists stomping the ground scale to his folding of the fabric of reality?

if he can amp himself to that point he should be able to amp his AP, etc. to it as well. plus if the upgrades go though he would already be at low 2-C from fighting mario in base.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

SPM, Rosalina, and Black Jewel

Rosalina it's a logical assumption that she shields herself with her magic and there's no explosion in the Black Jewel feat, in fact the little Spritelings also "Survive" the universe fading away, and they state that they're weak and need to group up to build a castle immediately after it:

"We Spritelings aren't that strong, so without a lot of us, I doubt we can build your castle right."

Do the Spritelings have Low 2-C durability too?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

if he can amp himself to that point he should be able to amp his AP, etc. to it as well. plus if the upgrades go though he would already be at low 2-C from fighting mario in base.

Reading the thread it's very clear the upgrades aren't going through at this point.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

No, damn good reason like street tiers not scaling to heralds.
SPM, Rosalina, and Black Jewel.

The Rosalina feat has been debunked, Bowser did his feat with a black hole, which ignores durability.

On top of which, Rosalina needed to protect mario with her magic shield so he could survive, how does her magic shield scale to mario??

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah Mario has 0 scaling to justify Rosalina.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The Rosalina feat has been debunked, Bowser did his feat with a black hole, which ignores durability.

No it wasn’t. Still in discussion. Also play the game. Bowser triggers a universal black hole. Lumas sacrifice themselves. Resultant Big Bang. Rosalina tanks and Mario gets shielded by her. I will say that point one on my part with black holes ignoring durability was wrong, as Mario and Peach weren’t shielded until after the black hole.

On top of which, Rosalina needed to protect mario with her shield so he could survive

Once again, 3-C Zack died to bullets. 4-B Zero dies to reentry. 2-B Arceus nearly dies to meteor. So I ask again, when did we stop scaling due to things like that.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

What if the white void was actually Hell as Wario actually was one-shotted by the universe explosion?

 

[TheRexor28]

Rosalina it's a logical assumption that she shields herself with her magic and there's no explosion in the Black Jewel feat, in fact the little Spritelings also "Survive" the universe fading away, and they state that they're weak and need to group up to build a castle immediately after it:

"We Spritelings aren't that strong, so without a lot of us, I doubt we can build your castle right."

Do the Spritelings have Low 2-C durability too?

no the spritelings don't, you said that it wouldn't count as a dura feat, it would be an outlier otherwise. wario still contends with and harms the black jewel so that's valid.

Reading the thread it's very clear the upgrades aren't going through at this point.

if it does it could probably be applied as another feat.

Yeah Mario has 0 scaling to justify Rosalina.

i agree.

What if the white void was actually Hell as Wario actually was one-shotted by the universe explosion?

the funny

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

no the spritelings don't, you said that it wouldn't count as a dura feat, it would be an outlier otherwise. wario still contends with and harms the black jewel so that's valid.

my argument is that Cal is using the "durability feat" to argue it's not an outlier for Wario.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Durability for Wario or not, Black Jewel is uni and Wario beats him. And Wario tanks his attacks.

 

[TheRexor28]

my argument is that Cal is using the "durability feat" to argue it's not an outlier for Wario.

even the jewel's attacks were weaker than it supporting a universe, we scale striking strength to dura so it'd still apply.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Durability for Wario or not, Black Jewel is uni and Wario beats him. And Wario tanks his attacks.

Outlier at most.

Black Jewel has no durability feats either so I dunno why it's assuming that Wario is universal punching.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Outlier at most.

Black Jewel has no durability feats either so I dunno why it's assuming that Wario is universal punching.

Wario physiology.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

No it wasn’t. Still in discussion. Also play the game. Bowser triggers a universal black hole. Lumas sacrifice themselves. Resultant Big Bang. Rosalina tanks and Mario gets shielded by her. I will say that point one on my part with black holes ignoring durability was wrong, as Mario and Peach weren’t shielded until after the black hole.

Once again, 3-C Zack died to bullets. 4-B Zero dies to reentry. 2-B Arceus nearly dies to meteor. So I ask again, when did we stop scaling due to things like that.

1. None of what you said about the black hole scales to Mario whatsoever, Mario was shielded by rosalina for the main Low 2-C event
2. I don't know who Zack is, I don't know Megaman lore, and Pokemon has way more solid Tier 2 feats to scale from than Mario

 

[TheRexor28]

Outlier at most.

Black Jewel has no durability feats either so I dunno why it's assuming that Wario is universal punching.

being able to sustain a universe is a low 2-C dura feat i'm pretty sure

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

being able to sustain a universe is a low 2-C dura feat i'm pretty sure

We treat it as one and I have yet to find an instance of it not.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

being able to sustain a universe is a low 2-C dura feat i'm pretty sure

if you do it with magic energy it isn't?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

1. None of what you said about the black hole scales to Mario whatsoever, Mario was shielded by rosalina for the main Low 2-C event

And Mario eventually scales to Rosalina.

2. I don't know who Zack is, I don't know Megaman lore, and Pokemon has way more solid Tier 2 feats to scale from than Mario

You not knowing characters doesn’t negate my analogies.

 

[Ari64-SP]

and Pokemon has way more solid Tier 2 feats to scale from than Mario

Bull. They have one feat that was wanked to oblivion

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Bull. They have one feat that was wanked to oblivion

Then downgrade Pokemon

 

[SamanPatou]

Just a question, what's the point of Rosalina shielding Mario and Peach if, at the end of the scaling chain, they are as durable as her anyway?
They could have just stood there waiting for the universe reset, unfazed by it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

And Mario eventually scales to Rosalina.

He doesn't he has no power ups.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Why would Olly's fists stomping the ground scale to his folding of the fabric of reality?

Nice AoE Fallacy man.

 

[Ari64-SP]

Then downgrade Pokemon

My point was there is only one feat.

 

[00potato]

Pokémon has one that scales to god tiers only.

Mario has at least 3, likely at least one more do to sheer volume of what’s presented.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Just a question, what's the point of Rosalina shielding Mario and Peach if, at the ending of the scaling chain, they are as durable as her anyway?

They're clearly not, again a lot of these feats don't even agree with each other.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Just a question, what's the point of Rosalina shielding Mario and Peach if, at the ending of the scaling chain, they are as durable as her anyway?
They could have just stood there waiting for the universe reset, unfazed by it.

Why does Samus have to escape a base exploding if she’s planet level? Why does Zero have to do the same if he’s even stronger? Why does Cloud and Barret have to do the same if they’re galaxy? The answer is that the writers didn’t mean to make them that strong. And we don’t care what the writers intend.