Low 2-C Mario: In The Final

[TheRexor28]

if you do it with magic energy it isn't?

black jewel has to sustain that level of energy to keep it from collapsing so i think it applies, plus https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sun_(OneShot) is low 2-C dura from sustaining the universe

Just a question, what's the point of Rosalina shielding Mario and Peach if, at the ending of the scaling chain, they are as durable as her anyway?

would be an outlier if mario got low 2-C

He doesn't he has no power ups.

he does in SM3DW from bowser fighting rosa.

edit: typo

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Nice AoE Fallacy man.

It's not. IT's Physicals not scaling to Hax, a common assumption.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

he does in SM3DW from bowser fighting rosa..

Pure headcanon from people in this thread trying to explain a gameplay inconsistency.

 

[TheRexor28]

Pure headcanon from people in this thread trying to explain a gameplay inconsistency.

actually rosa joins the group after the last bowser fight so yeah

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Pure headcanon from people in this thread trying to explain a gameplay inconsistency.

Yes. Because headcanon happens on screen...

 

[TheRexor28]

the only thing which rosa's ap would apply to is the minor bosses which would be too big of outliers i think.

 

[00potato]

I would apply to the rest as well since she is shown as even with them.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Let us scale holes in the ground to 2-C

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Can't we have a major CRT that doesn't divulged into the petty arguments of "oh this other verse is wanked" or "this character from another verse needs to downgraded" please?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes. Because headcanon happens on screen

Rosalina being hurt by every enemy in 3D world isn't evidence that the cast got stringer.

 

[Moxxaccinocapuccino]

Let us scale holes in the ground to 2-C

what did he mean by this

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Mario commonly dies to holes in the ground in various games

 

[TheRexor28]

what did he mean by this

holes in the ground can oneshot mario and many other so low 2-C because ahahahhahhha funnies

 

[Ari64-SP]

Rosalina being hurt by every enemy in 3D world isn't evidence that the cast got stringer.

DUDE. Use your brain man, plenty of characters, Mario and Sonic included have these types of things, yet all of their feats aren’t considered outliers.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

DUDE. Use your brain man, plenty of characters, Mario and Sonic included have these types of things, yet all of their feats aren’t considered outliers.

This isn't an argument.

My point exactly that Rosalina being harmed by Bowser is game mechanics. You can't use this as evidence that Bowser scales to her therefore Mario scales to her when:

1. Rosalina lacks a single solid durability feat.

2. Mario and Peach were gonna die from something Rosalina casually shielded them from.

To do otherwise makes the ending of Galaxy illogical and "Cast got stronger" is a headcanon not reflected in the text.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Is it actually stated they got stronger?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Is it actually stated they got stronger?

No. This is a classic Watsonian vs Doylist problem.

The more logical solution is that Rosalina being harmed in 3D World is there to make playing as her fun and challenging.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Mario has a statement of getting stronger in 3

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lucky-emile/images/3/37/Mario_has_gotten_stronger.png/revision/latest?cb=20181207203411

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Btw I don't mind either way if this CRT gets accepted or not so I guess that makes me neutral? (not that my opinion matters in the long run).

But I will say, folks should try everything possible to keep the arguments concise and on topic while trying to be as "objective" as possible, I know it can be easy to let emotions flair when a popular verse gets major upgrades or downgrades but bias aside lets keep it clean shall we?

I swear if this thread breaks the 1000 message mark, I'm going to commit spaghetti!

 

[TheRexor28]

Mario has a statement of getting stronger in 3

that was 20 or so years ago, probably doesn't apply to sm3dw

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...tronger.png/revision/latest?cb=20181207203411

Big problems:

1. American Manual and also unrelated to Galaxy

2. Mario 3 is literally a Stage Play.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Is Bowser creating Shifting Sand Land low 2-C?

 

[Ari64-SP]

No. This is a classic Watsonian vs Doylist problem.

The more logical solution is that Rosalina being harmed in 3D World is there to make playing as her fun and challenging.

I really can’t tell you why rosalina thought it was necessary to protect peach and Mario, other than 2 options.

1. She protected them like she would any living being, even if it wasn’t nessesary
2. The game devs wanted to tell a story, and wanted rosalina to be stronger then Mari, without taking into account the ways that other games feats may be taken, and never expected us to use the characters and feats literally.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Now that I got a bunch of other stuff out of the way hopefully; though worried they might all come back by the time I finish. I'm going to write up an uber lengthy post to address the OP for and against bit by bit.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

2. The game devs wanted to tell a story, and wanted rosalina to be stronger then Mari, without taking into account the ways that other games feats may be taken, and never expected us to use the characters and feats literally.

Option 2 is most likely correct imo, consistent with Miyamoto's more carefree approach to Mario

 

[TheRexor28]

Is Bowser creating Shifting Sand Land low 2-C?

it'd just be high 3-A normally but cuz it's called a parallel universe it'd probably be considered low 2-C

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

1. She protected them like she would any living being, even if it wasn’t nessesary
2. The game devs wanted to tell a story, and wanted rosalina to be stronger then Mari, without taking into account the ways that other games feats may be taken, and never expected us to use the characters and feats literally.

1. That's not what it's stated at all, it's stated they would have died otherwise.

2. teh game devs don't expet anyone to take ANY feat because they're not thinking about it. Get the Vs Debate mentality of your head and imagine being a game dev who doesn't care about anyone's power level. Rosalina is going to be damaged by everything from Goombas to Bowser because she's a character in a game.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Out of all the low 2-C feats/statements Blaze (excellent name btw) submitted, which ones are unanimously/mostly accepted as legit?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Mario has a statement of getting stronger in 3

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lucky-emile/images/3/37/Mario_has_gotten_stronger.png/revision/latest?cb=20181207203411

That's 20 years before though, doesn't really apply to galaxy, plus the fact this was him growing to beat bowser, not him becoming infinitely stronger so that he can be on the same level as rosalina

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Out of all the low 2-C feats/statements Blaze (excellent name btw) submitted, which ones are unanimously/mostly accepted as legit?

The one from SPM

 

[Ari64-SP]

1. That's not what it's stated at all, it's stated they would have died otherwise.

2. teh game devs don't expet anyone to take ANY feat because they're not thinking about it. Get the Vs Debate mentality of your head and imagine being a game dev who doesn't care about anyone's power level. Rosalina is going to be damaged by everything from Goombas to Bowser because she's a character in a game.

1. Ok I apologize
2. How is this relevant to what I just said, I was referring to smg. That is literally exactly what I said.

2b. I will say this again, the game devs never meant for us to take any of these as feats. They never ment for us to take all of these potential feats. The ending of smg is just pis. That’s all it is by our standards.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Anyway, there's one more uni feat. Mario cast can fight base Dimentio.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Anyway, there's one more uni feat. Mario cast can fight base Dimentio.

His profile only seems to list him as "possibly" Universal and seems to mention him "easily killing" Mario

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

They fought here. Dimentio said it was just an amusement, yet he was still clearly shaken from the fight

 

[TheRexor28]

His page is wrong then. He could be defeated in base by Mario cast.

he casually obliterates the party after ch6.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

No. We are not scaling anyone into Low 2-C. Honestly, scaling anybody to low 2-C is not only off putting but pretty much goes against the consistency and coherence to begin with. Not to mention it also means scaling everyone else and I speak for everyone when I say low 2-C Toad is ridiculous. I really don't know why we keep getting this repeated vouch topic.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

No. We are not scaling anyone into Low 2-C. Honestly, scaling anybody to low 2-C not only is off putting but pretty much goes against the consistency. Not to mention it also means scaling everyone else and I speak for everyone when I say low 2-C Toad is ridiculous.

Arguments please.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Should probably clarify that Dimentio D strengthened/amped the protagonists...

Also, this.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Should probably clarify that Dimentio D strengthened/amped the protagonists...

Also, this.

He also amped himself lol

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No. We are not scaling anyone into Low 2-C. Honestly, scaling anybody to low 2-C not only is off putting but pretty much goes against the consistency and coherence to begin with. Not to mention it also means scaling everyone else and I speak for everyone when I say low 2-C Toad is ridiculous. I really don't know why we keep getting this repeated topic.

All of the Staff besides Cal rejected it as well.