Low 2-C Mario: In The Final

[GiverOfThePeace]

Anyways, I haven't really seen any arguments regarding the power stars but the surface area argument I would agree with in concept if we were talking about a 3D explosion, which we're not, we're talking about a 4D one, you can't apply 3D mathematics to 4D.

Even when you try to apply it to a theoretical 4D ball the area only applies to the 3rd dimension, not the 4th:

Area-Volume Formulas for N-Dimensional Spheres and Balls

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I guess I agree with Normal Mario being Low 2-C

Please look through my posts in the first page and tell me your thoughts.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Tagging Mario Staff anyway @Eficiente @Dino_Ranger_Black @Ryukama

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

I agree with this CRT but I'm neutral towards what Nia is trying to argue

True I would say agree but Nia is the guy who thinks Mario is Outerversal so eh

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

That would hardly be relevant when you already have an individual Power Star scaling to Low 2-C and we know he did it in a very short amount of time. There's also the fact that he was gonna extend his reach beyond the space of the painting worlds and use them to encompass all of reality, which implies he's gonna merge these universes with the real universe, or at least increase his space using the Power Stars to alter all the universes with it and make it big enough to be a 2-C structure. You're basically trying to say "He isn't 2-C, he's just 70× baseline Low 2-C and can perform 2-C feats over (a short amount of) time".

Encompass is a feat that would take place over time, you can perform a 2-C feat in a short amount of time while being Low 2-C via slowly overtaking everything. What the quote literally says is

'- "A competing theory suggests that Bowser will simply extend his painting worlds so that they encompass all of reality."
"Extend"
There's 15 courses in OG Mario 64, he's overtime extending them to each world, a 2-C feat is an instantneous feat of destroying multiple space-times at once, not destroying multiple space-times slowly overtime via extending your control. This is a complete misunderstanding of the tier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

'- "A competing theory suggests that Bowser will simply extend his painting worlds so that they encompass all of reality."
"Extend"

This isn't valid because it's in the Nintendo Power Guide. It was agreed in other threads that you can't use these for Mario.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

So if you agree with 15 Power Stars, he can create 15 universes, then a single person with the power of all the Power Stars would be able to create more than that, right? Blatantly 2-C. What is this weird argument you're making?

What even is this logic? Like what?

Yes uh he can make a universe with each power star, where is he doing it all at once? Each power star makes a universe, Low 2-C. They amp him. You're attempting to get him to 2-C via a multiplier.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

This isn't valid because it's in the Nintendo Power Guide. It was agreed in other threads that you can't use these for Mario.

You realize what I'm talking about here is someone's trying to use this statement for 2-C and explaining the problem with that, correct?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You realize what I'm talking about here is someone's trying to use this statement for 2-C and explaining the problem with that, correct?

That's fine too, it isn't 2-C, but even if it was it wouldn't be valid to begin with

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Stop derailing with the paper mario and stuff with canon, MikeBro agrees with normal Mario being Low 2-C, which is what is supposed to be discussed here, paper mario stuff can be saved for another thread.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

I don't even know how that 15 star argument was remotely thought 2-C, that's the same as saying a single blast of mine can destroy the universe, so each blast of mine can destroy the universe. So I shoot 15 blasts at a person and they no-sell all 15 blast at once and thus they're 2-C.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I’m just gonna say I agree with what I’ve already said. Also, looking on it, the Crystal Stars argument makes a ton of sense. Can’t really get more blatant than “blow up the universe.”

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I’m just gonna say I agree with what I’ve already said. Also, looking on it, the Crystal Stars argument makes a ton of sense. Can’t really get more blatant than “blow up the universe.”

Cal that was from a Magazine Review and nothing of the sort is in the game. You can't use it with a straight face

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

To be fair with crystal stars, I'm pretty sure the motive for the Shadow Queen was for Grodus to "Take Over (As in, conquer) the world (And Iirc it was implied to mean planet)", not "Destroy the Universe"

 

[QuasiYuri]

For SMG stuff about Mario fighting amped Bowser: Mario is amped by Luma during the entire game.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

To be fair with crystal stars, I'm pretty sure the motive for Grodus was "Take Over (As in conquer) the world (And Iirc it was implied to mean planet)", not "Destroy the Universe"

It is. I explained it in depth and showed that "World" in the game referred to the planet. The Shadow Queen surrounds every area in the world in darkness and they say she's bringing about the end of the world.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

DarkDragonMedeus is a Mario staff that needs to be tagged

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

@DarkDragonMedeus Thoughts on the trend?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Cal that was from a Magazine Review and nothing of the sort is in the game. You can't use it with a straight face

Aight. I didn’t know that. I thought it was a manual or smth. Was the magazine Nintendo Power?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

It is. I explained it in depth and showed that "World" in the game referred to the planet. The Shadow Queen surrounds every area in the world in darkness and they say she's bringing about the end of the world.

Also, we only know she affected the map, we don't know if she affected the whole planet, what we saw in paper mario may simply be a continent (6-A).

 

[Ari64-SP]

@DarkDragonMedeus Thoughts on the trend?

Uhh, only staff can pull that command off.

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

Shit my bad

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Just woke up, already two pages. Cool. Will respond later

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies, but Matthew seems to make some very good points.

@Ryukama @Dino_Ranger_Black @DarkDragonMedeus

What do you think?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

My apologies, but Matthew seems to make some very good points.

@Ryukama @Dino_Ranger_Black @DarkDragonMedeus

What do you think?

Every point he made in rebuttal to what I said massively goes against the standards applied to every tier 2 verse. He makes good points then I have full reign to downgrade any universe creation feat and universe collapse standard feat, tier 2 or otherwise.

 

[Tllmbrg]

For the record arguing that surface area somehow effects a tier 2 feat is dumb imo since infinity divided is still infinity

 

[00potato]

At this point I am starting to think Schroder isn’t arguing in good faith most of the time, he says stuff like this all the time and is why that bleach thread lasted that long.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Every point he made in rebuttal to what I said massively goes against the standards applied to every tier 2 verse. He makes good points then I have full reign to downgrade any universe creation feat and universe collapse standard feat, tier 2 or otherwise.

No it's not. I made several criticisms on the OP on the first page that are unrelated to you. Do better, look at my other posts, and don't misrepresent my arguments, you're a staff.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

To what I said, Matt. I said exactly what I meant. Every rebuttal to one of my points. You’re talking about misrepresenting points but you failed to read exactly what I said, leading to you misrepresenting mine.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You replied as if that was all I said. Why are you being so confrontational in this thread, Cal?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Big Bangs treated as explosions are only considered as 3-A feats, and withstanding an extremely small part of such an explosion would have to be calculated based on surface area. However, I haven't had the time to read this entire thread, and may have misunderstood the context.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

At this point I am starting to think Schroder isn’t arguing in good faith most of the time, he says stuff like this all the time and is why that bleach thread lasted that long.

I mean, here I can see some of this points. Lemme think. Neutral right now.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You replied as if that was all I said. Why are you being so confrontational in this thread, Cal?

are you kidding? Dude, you literally came at me first by saying “do better, you’re staff”

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Well, Big Bangs treated as explosions are only considered as 3-A feats, and withstanding an extremely small part of such an explosion would have to be calculated based on surface area. However, I haven't had the time to read this entire thread, and may have misunderstood the context.

The explosion is Low 2-C

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

The explosion is Low 2-C

Big Bang isn't a literal explosion. But in fiction it's often shown as one. So, a literal explosion big bang is only 3-A.

 

[Antvasima]

Explosions are never Low 2-C as far as I am aware. A Low 2-C type of Big Bang is an existence-creating spacetime expansion.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Big Bang isn't a literal explosion. But in fiction it's often shown as one. So, a literal explosion big bang is only 3-A.

That's not what I'm talking about whatsoever. I'm saying the explosion in this context is Low 2-C.

 

[Antvasima]

Big Bang isn't a literal explosion. But in fiction it's often shown as one. So, a literal explosion big bang is only 3-A.

That is correct, yes. Thank you.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Explosions are never Low 2-C as far as I am aware. A Low 2-C type of Big Bang is an existence-creating spacetime expansion.

This. A universe being destroyed in an explosion going off inside it is just 3-A.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

That is correct, yes. Thank you.

Explosions are never Low 2-C as far as I am aware. A Low 2-C type of Big Bang is an existence-creating spacetime expansion.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying in this context it's Low 2-C.
"In Super Paper Mario, Mario, Peach, and Bowser survive the Incomplete Void, during its destruction of the Sammer Kingdom Dimension. As we know, The Void was stated to have the power to destroy everything and all dimensions/worlds/existence. It was also stated that it can destroy space and time. This should be another blatant feat, but some people think Timpani saved them before it happens. This is first proven wrong by how everyone looks harmed. Though other statements back it up."