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I have been mostly lurking, and I am pretty neutral overall; but DRB didn't really provide an argument, rather a simple disagreement.Anyway, I have only had the time to read part of the staff posts here, and Medeus, Matthew, and Ryukama all seemed to make good points, but Dino Ranger Black is our most knowledgeable staff member regarding Mario. Would somebody neutral be willing to summarise all of the important arguments so far for him, so he can more easily evaluate them? Medeus perhaps?
No. We are not scaling anyone into Low 2-C. Honestly, scaling anybody to low 2-C is not only off putting but pretty much goes against the consistency and coherence to begin with. Not to mention it also means scaling everyone else and I speak for everyone when I say low 2-C Toad is ridiculous. I really don't know why we keep getting this repeated vouch topic.
Eh with all due respect, the guy only dropped in the debate to basically say "No this's weird so wrong", and hasn't done anything outside itAnyway, I have only had the time to read part of the staff posts here, and Medeus, Matthew, and Ryukama all seemed to make good points, but Dino Ranger Black is our most knowledgeable staff member regarding Mario. Would somebody neutral be willing to summarise all of the important arguments so far for him, so he can more easily evaluate them? Medeus perhaps?
And he did the same thing to you here
"Harmed weaker" - you serious? Damn, Mario's human level, he dies from touching a mushroom.another time, an outlier. the only other option is that the other bosses aren't low 2-C (see below), or that bowser is weaker than the other bosses (highly unlikely)
them not being low 2-C is contradicted by them and the grand stars having no reason to hold back, also you need to prove that the grand stars don't give full (or near full) power when amping.
bowser is shown to be superior to them, he also has "superior to his minions even when they're empowered by Power Stars" on his profile right now
im saying it because it's an outlier. it's one time where one character is harmed by something weaker than himself for no reason other than PIS.
bowser wouldn't have gotten the grand star if it didn't have the power to reset the universe, so it scales.
Dino has consistently been the most knowledgeable and helpful staff member regarding improving the quality of the Mario pages in the past. I trust his sense of judgement. However, he tends to have limited time available, so this kind of massive thread will likely be overwhelming to him. As such, a comprehensive summary from Medeus would be appreciated.Eh with all due respect, the guy only dropped in the debate to basically say "No this's weird so wrong", and hasn't done anything outside it
Plus of what basis is he considered the most knowledgable Mario regarding Mario, and even if in theory he was I fail to see why we'd need to wait for him to respond before coming to a conclusion, this sort of attitude is why Blue names afterwards say that only staff and a select few people's voices matter
Again on what basis is he the most knowledgable?Dino has consistently been the most knowledgeable and helpful staff member regarding improving the quality of the Mario pages in the past. I trust his sense of judgement. However, he tends to have limited time available, so this kind of massive thread will likely be overwhelming to him. As such, a comprehensive summary from Medeus would be appreciated.
Also, everybody should please stop with the subversive incendiary rhetorics. I do not have 40 hours available every day, so I have to sift through what I read for the sake of efficiency. As such, I mostly only have the time to read the staff replies, and recurrently barely that, so I am very dependent on that they help out with checking through and evaluating enough of the rest. That is all. There is no malevolent elitistic conspiracy here.
This actually..goes against you
Since the wishes and positive vibes make her not a stonewall.and like you said,mario was empowered by people's wishes to keep up with shadow queen
Prove it,because World also means universe in it's sequel.
Yes Mario and peach survived by Rosalina's protection,Buuut
the guide being specific on who she saved,and it said that bowser survived by himself.So what you did say is pure headcanon
Matt matt matt,since when bowser doesn't know peach's garden?
His animation means he was damaged not confused (i doubt that you saw the cutscene),headcanon once again.
Platformers wise,Mario always puts a good fight with base Bowser,but then he defeated amped forms of him (grand star,Jumbo star)
What is "blatant" to you is irrelevant. "The very fabric of reality" doesn't mean universal scale, it only means space and time, which is established because the expression "the very" is just an intensifier. Olly uses it to reinforce how impressive it is that he can now fold the fabric of reality. We have nothing more than a single quote which does not prove universal scale, and using the same quote yet again is not a good argument.We literally showed you that he is folding the very fabric of reality.
Idk how this isn't universal+,it seems blatant to me and many others
No matter how knowledgable he is, he said ABSOLUTELY nothing. I wasn't here for that long so I can't say for sure, but in all Mario threads everybody waits for him for some reason, only for him to come, and provide like zero evidence, only saying what's wrong and what's wrong. I'm in no means saying it to spite him, but we really shouldn't rely just on him, especially since he rarely provides any arguments.Dino has consistently been the most knowledgeable and helpful staff member regarding improving the quality of the Mario pages in the past. I trust his sense of judgement. However, he tends to have limited time available, so this kind of massive thread will likely be overwhelming to him. As such, a comprehensive summary from Medeus would be appreciated.
Also, everybody should please stop with the subversive incendiary rhetorics. I do not have 40 hours available every day, so I have to sift through what I read for the sake of efficiency. As such, I mostly only have the time to read the staff replies, and recurrently barely that, so I am very dependent on that they help out with checking through and evaluating enough of the rest. That is all. There is no malevolent elitistic conspiracy here.
Except most arguments about it's illegitemacy were rejected here.Bowser getting reset in Galaxy should be banned to talk about as a feat given the dozens upon dozens of times it was brought up and its sheer illogicality, though then again I already proposed Matt something to fix that.
Like you said, context matters. A sword that cuts through reality (for example, the Jigen Tō from Yu Yu Hakusho) isn’t gonna have everyone freaking out like the world is gonna end. But Olly doing it did.
We see a room being folded. ._.There’s also the fact that we see reality being folded on more than just a minute scale, broski. It’s not just a little slit in space.
Galacta Knight having his blade with the ability to cut through dimensions being seen as a reason for him being the strongest in the galaxy and that Kirby has to absolutely beat him if he goes berserk like that, the world needs to be saved from him too in that game.Like you said, context matters. A sword that cuts through reality (for example, the Jigen Tō from Yu Yu Hakusho) isn’t gonna have everyone freaking out like the world is gonna end. But Olly doing it did.
No offense Antvasima, but this is exactly what I was referring to earlier. Just FRA'ing shouldn't be the solution to such massive upgrade/downgrade threads like this, especially when those who are saying so haven't really been proactive throughout the discussion. I understand that you probably want to keep the peace and wrap up a thread that, admittedly, has outlived its usefulness. I respect that. But at the same time, to dive into this thread and then simply "agree" with the mods (upgrade or downgrade), kind of ignores a lot of the contributions of other users, and doesn't really add much to the thread itself.I agree with Ryukama.
This is not a good argument. You need more evidence than a single line of dialogue from Olly himself to prove that the folding was universal in scale. If this wasn't a verse you were invested in, Cal, you would agree with me.Nobody freaks out from the Time Killing Deep Flash tho...
This is not what I'm arguing for, if anything you severely ignored the context for both the ending of Mario Galaxy and also TTYD in favor of throwaway lines.Matt,ignoring the context really doesn't help you,you and efi are trying to argue that dimensional travel/portal creation is the same as manipulating/destroying reality
Do not generalize the whole of a users arguments based off one that wasn't correct.The fact that blaze and everyone else is ignored for their good arguments yet matthew is supported even though he argued for ******* surface area for a tier 2 feat and then proceeded to shotgun everyone making 837477 posts just makes me question this sites validity.
You took things out of context. I quoted Cal saying something wrong and showed an ex. of the same he said not being what he said.and efi are trying to argue that dimensional travel/portal creation is the same as manipulating/destroying reality
Which is pretty out of context if you ask me
it’s not even just that, none of his other arguments make much sense to me at all, and clearly go against this sites rules.Do not generalize the whole of a users arguments based off one that wasn't correct.
yes, but your original statement was very incorrect generalization.it’s not even just that, none of his other arguments make much sense to me at all, and clearly go against this sites rules.
Well, I am just trying to make an effort to help out to make things a bit more efficient, so things do not go in circles too much, but in this case I am uncertain, as both sides make good points.No offense Antvasima, but this is exactly what I was referring to earlier. Just FRA'ing shouldn't be the solution to such massive upgrade/downgrade threads like this, especially when those who are saying so haven't really been proactive throughout the discussion. I understand that you probably want to keep the peace and wrap up a thread that, admittedly, has outlived its usefulness. I respect that. But at the same time, to dive into this thread and then simply "agree" with the mods (upgrade or downgrade), kind of ignores a lot of the contributions of other users, and doesn't really add much to the thread itself.
Yes, you should be free to share your opinion on whatever you like in these threads (especially given your position), but especially because of your position, your words hold a lot of weight/power, and sometimes I don't think you and the mods realize that. When you FRA someone, the likes pile on and it doesn't feel like there's a lot us blue-named users can do but stand by and watch decisions being made without our input.