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I think that seems more reasonable than regular ratings.
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A likely rating sounds fine. Although I will note that there is no real anti-feats for then not having a solid rating.
Every action that the (pre-Eä) Ainur do is against either each other, or with each other. They don't affect scaling outside each other (and Eru via being far weaker than him.)
Every action that the (pre-Eä) Ainur do is against either each other, or with each other. They don't affect scaling outside each other (and Eru via being far weaker than him.)
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On a side note, should a new revision thread be nade then? This is a general revision thread, so it's likely to keep getting longer.
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I am really iffy about it. I would only agree with possibly rating.
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I mean not offence, but it does sound like your position is mostly just from skepticism.
They don't scale outside their own group.
All their actions and conflicts take place outside the universe.
There isn't a solid anti-feat to bring them down in this key. Other characters have reached solid ratings on this wiki for similar reasons.
They don't scale outside their own group.
All their actions and conflicts take place outside the universe.
There isn't a solid anti-feat to bring them down in this key. Other characters have reached solid ratings on this wiki for similar reasons.
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Yet, the author perceives the whole reality plane as mere fiction but Ainur with absolutely 0 AP feats, 0 AP statements and only one statement of being in the same existence plane? Call it skepticism.
Possibly rating is suffient from my side.
Possibly rating is suffient from my side.
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I have presented multiple arguments and pieces of evidence. That sort of statement is very much unjustified.
You haven't even addressed the very valid point that Eru frankly sees them as real, calls them outright "mighty".
Tolkien has multiple statements of them existing on Eru’s level across sources.
Etc
This isn't a case where I'm presenting a single line of evidence.
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So are they authors as well?
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They are seen as real things by the "author" and are treated as "mighty" to him (albeit he also asserts his own superiority.)
They exist on his level of existence according to multiple sources (Silmarillion, Letters, etc. I'm not posting the same sources again due to clutter, I've already done it above or in previous pages.)
They even have the shared title of "sub-creators", aka the title Tolkien uses to refer to himself and other writers of fiction. A title he uses as he views God (or in this case Eru) as the only creator.
(albeit this is something he is likely using in a literal sense, given he was referring to the Ainur literally aiding in the universe's creation.)
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Alright, likely rating sounds reasonable, but you need to share references of each claim you made and add it in the justification.
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That's fine. I've already posted the quotes in previous comments, so I'll need to just navigate to them and link them when I have time.
Should I have the references on each page for the Ainur? Or can I just put the references on the most relevant pages/a relevant page and link other profiles to that one.
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the latter
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Thanks for your help.
I assume the multiple aforementioned statements of superiority to the universe (which we already established as low 2-C).
Is enough to maintain their solid Low 2-C rating. (Alongside their Likely Low 1-C)
Just so I can change the wording to a more accurate description than the debunked (thanks to Merchant) idea they viewed reality as a "drama".
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Hi tyranno, please PM me, i have some doubts about lotr Cosmology.
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Just send a message to my wall or something. I'll answer you there.
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It says that limited or something in your profile post or can you send me the link please?
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Mmm this one
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Huh, didn't know that I did that. One sec.
Edit: No, I haven't restricted any messages to me. Members can comment or post to me.
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I assume I can gradually apply the changes now?
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I believe the pages are already unlocked, but I'll let you know when I get back.
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Okay. Thank you for helping out. Please remember that we have changed our Striking Strength naming standards, so you need to follow them properly.
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Can you link them here as well? Because I would like to re-check as well.
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Well, I suppose that I can delete our Ainur page if you wish, but the links to it in the following pages also need to be removed.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=The+Ainur&namespace=0
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=The+Ainur&namespace=0
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So to recap real quick Eru is considered 5D (Just gonna stick with these labels lol) since he is the "Omnipotent" in the lore and Infinitely trasncends everything else and holds Eä literally in his thoughts and is the Author + he is the only one who can change the Music (basically reality warping, changing history, etc) and creates laws that are "impossible" to break.
As for the Ainur being 5D it's a small possibility. While Eä, which Time is considered its "lifeblood" more or less the highest dimensionality stated, is as "real" as the Ainur, we know the Ainur existed outside of it even after it was created. The phrase that could support the Ainur transcending a 4D Reality (Eä in this case) is when they entered it they became "Bounded" by Time, more or less becoming restricted or limited because now they essentially become 3D beings.
They also initially resided in the Timeless Halls which as the name implies is a dimension where Time doesn't exist either, so that's another caveat to imply 5D Ainur.
At the very least they should be 4D before the existence of Eä thanks to that statement that Eä became as "Real" as them when Eru brought it into being.
I'll get into the Elven stuff later.
As for the Ainur being 5D it's a small possibility. While Eä, which Time is considered its "lifeblood" more or less the highest dimensionality stated, is as "real" as the Ainur, we know the Ainur existed outside of it even after it was created. The phrase that could support the Ainur transcending a 4D Reality (Eä in this case) is when they entered it they became "Bounded" by Time, more or less becoming restricted or limited because now they essentially become 3D beings.
They also initially resided in the Timeless Halls which as the name implies is a dimension where Time doesn't exist either, so that's another caveat to imply 5D Ainur.
At the very least they should be 4D before the existence of Eä thanks to that statement that Eä became as "Real" as them when Eru brought it into being.
I'll get into the Elven stuff later.
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So delete Ainur page and handle the redirect right?
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Handled.Yes, that is correct. Thank you for helping out.
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Got Fall of Númenor today and Eru is called "The All-Powerful Transcendent creator" not sure if that was posted here, the key word there is "Transcendent" Admittedly this was written by Brian Shipley not by Tolkien himself nor his son so unsure how we will take this evidence, ofc I see that Catholic dogma being used from earlier so it's fair game?
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What are the conclusions here?
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