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He doesn't seem to get any actual power from his rage if memory serves me correctly, but he'd probably get some Fear Manipulation considering everything that saw him was terrified.
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Lord of the Rings general revision thread: Return of the Thread
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Minor addendum, but I realised that the Powers and Resistances of the Ainur page I made has a few obvious errors while I was making my changes.
We accepted Dura-neg for the Ainur due to Maiar like Tilion being able to attack spirits and such directly, Maiar being able to directly affect souls while ignoring the body, etc. But we currently only have the Valar and Greater Maiar stated to be able to use Soul Manipulation. This should be changed so the Maiar can use them as well.
Also noticed that Age Manipulation has this line
We accepted Dura-neg for the Ainur due to Maiar like Tilion being able to attack spirits and such directly, Maiar being able to directly affect souls while ignoring the body, etc. But we currently only have the Valar and Greater Maiar stated to be able to use Soul Manipulation. This should be changed so the Maiar can use them as well.
Also noticed that Age Manipulation has this line
- "But it seems that there was no general “law” of time governing all things in Aman. Each living thing, individually and not only each kind or variety of living things, was under the care of the Valar and their attendant Máyar. [8] Each was maintained in some form of beauty oruse, for the Valar and for one another. This plant might be allowed to ripento seed, and that plant be maintained in blossom. [9] This beast might walkin the strength and freedom of its youth, another might find a mate and bring up its young..."
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Are two staff votes required for uncontroversial changes?That seems uncontroversial to correct then.
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I think that it should be sufficient in this case at least.
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Actually it seems like only one staff member approval is required for self-evident revisions.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Discussion_Rules#Minor_Content_Revisions
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Discussion_Rules#Minor_Content_Revisions
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Lord of the Rings - Gandalf and Durin's Bane kick up a storm
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Finally got a new calc to replace the currently iffy scaling to Morgoth's scream.
Thanks to Armorchompy for making it and Antvasima for pointing me their way!
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Thanks, I'll make the changes alongside the last of the pages.Actually it seems like only one staff member approval is required for self-evident revisions.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Discussion_Rules#Minor_Content_Revisions
EDIT: The pages can be locked now! Thanks.
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No problem, and I have locked them again now.
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5-C/4-C Narsíl/Andúril seems a bit iffy since it's only stated to contain light from the moon and sin as opposed to the totality of their power. I'm fine with War of the Ring Sauron being 6-B tho
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Essentially my view on Narsil/Andúril. Mortally wounding LA Sauron is the best feat the blade has (as far as I know) so that's the best way to scale it.
The WotR shaking feat could do with a re calc, yeah. LotR in general needs more calcs. Still waiting on the Gandalf/Durin’s Bane one I requested to be evaluated for example.
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Hmm how come
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Earthquake calcs kinda have a tendency to suck copious amounts of ass and need to be double-checked and redone on a frequent basis cus there's almost always some overlooked context that either tanks or boosts the actual yield when accounted for
For example, Talion used to be 8-A scaling to an enemy that could collapse a cave with its seismic-esque shockwaves. Thing is, caves are incredibly sensitive to even the slightest seismic activity, so a using cave-in isn't exactly a solid way to gauge Richter Scale
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I mean that's true but is there anything wrong with the calc as is
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I dunno, I'm guessing what the evaluation and/or redux is for
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Because iirc, the earthquake Sauron pulled off reached from Barad-dûr (assuming that was where the epicenter was) all the way to Frodo and Sam’s position at the stairs of Cirith Ungol or Minas Morgul (I may need to reread that part). And the fact alone that said earthquake feat was merely a message. But I dunno, that could just be me.
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Sauron covered in Mordor in a thunderstorm and then expanded that all the way to Gondor. It might be a movie only feat, but I will go through the books. Should get him 7A higher.
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Really? Where?
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Seems a bit of a low-ball since the storm was "deepening", but that aside, it seems alright. Shame.
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Are Hobbits really 10-B? They can throw rocks hard enough to one-shot fully armored Uruk-Hai.
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Pretty sure they were even lower, 10-C. They only get a 'higher' rating cus of weapons like Sting
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That's just accurate to what slings can do IRL
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Pippin kills a Hill troll chief, but that's with a magic dagger. Physically, Hobbits are not incomparable with humans. The Bullroarer, who is admittedly probably the strongest, knocked the head of a goblin king with one strike from a wooden club. It went flying a 100 feet according to Tolkien Gateway.
Goblins being weaker than humans to a notable, but not incomparable degree.
Other Hobbits are less impressive in general, but still in a similar range.
Goblins being weaker than humans to a notable, but not incomparable degree.
Other Hobbits are less impressive in general, but still in a similar range.
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And invented golf
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Nothing in particular. I am waiting for the calc posted in this thread and the calc evaluation thread to be evaluated I suppose.What currently needs to be done here?
That aside, the next major revision on my end is still a bit away.
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Yes. It's been on the there sincd August. Still bumping away for now.Okay. Have you asked for help in our calculation evaluation requests thread?
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Right, new big revision coming up! This is essentially a physiology page for the Elves + their general magics.
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Some miscellaneous and less miscellaneous stuff in addition:
Elven Draft
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Some miscellaneous and less miscellaneous stuff in addition:
- Songs of Power are shared between Ainur and Elves. The former already have a summaries version on page so I'll link it that section to the Elven page for the rest of the abilities.
- Aragorn got a "possibly" resistance to Fear Manipulation since it was unsure if the Army of the Dead gave off supernatural fear. But as noted in the draft page, I found a statement that ghosts and wraiths give off a supernatural fear. Also he faces the Nazgul who have it on page (which will be revised too one day, I swear).
- As noted in the "limited" possession section, when a Houseless Elf spirit tries to take any living body, the soul inside the body can fight back and even win. Thus all characters in-verse should receive a resistance to possession and an additional to their resistance to soul manipulation since they can fight and struggle against the soul to push them back out.
- Oh, and Sauron should solidly be able to possess rather than "possibly" as well since it's confirmed spirits can possess bodies.
- Empathic Manipulation should be layered. Elves can resist their own EM but beings with the Light of Aman can EM them. Beings with the Light of Aman can also resist their own EM, but Songs of Power can EM them. Notably the Ainur resist their own EM from Songs of Power, although exceptional cases such as Lúthien can EM them.
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Looks fantastic!Right, new big revision coming up! This is essentially a physiology page for the Elves + their general magics.
Elven Draft
Some miscellaneous stuff in addition:
- Songs of Power are shared between Ainur and Elves. The former already have a summaries version on page so I'll link it to the Elven page for the rest of the abilities.
- Aragorn got a "possibly" resistance to Fear Manipulation since it was unsure if the Army of the Dead gave off supernatural fear. But as noted in the draft page, I found a statement that ghosts and wraiths give off a supernatural fear. Also he faces the Nazgul who have it on page (which will be revised too one day, I swear).
- As noted in the "limited" possession section, when a Houseless Elf spirit tries to take a body, the spirit inside the body can fight back and even win. Thus all characters should receive a resistance to possession and an additional to their resistance to soul manipulation since they can fight and struggle against the soul to push them back out.
- Oh, and Sauron should solidly receive a rating as well since it's confirmed spirits can possess bodies.
- Empathic Manipulation should be layered. Elves can resist their own EM but beings with the Light of Aman can EM them. Beings with the Light of Aman can also resist their own EM, but Songs of Power can EM them. Notably the Ainur resist their own EM from Songs of Power, although exceptional cases such as Lúthien can EM them.
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You're helping carry the verse rn haha. Good jobRight, new big revision coming up! This is essentially a physiology page for the Elves + their general magics.
Elven Draft
Some miscellaneous stuff in addition:
- Songs of Power are shared between Ainur and Elves. The former already have a summaries version on page so I'll link it to the Elven page for the rest of the abilities.
- Aragorn got a "possibly" resistance to Fear Manipulation since it was unsure if the Army of the Dead gave off supernatural fear. But as noted in the draft page, I found a statement that ghosts and wraiths give off a supernatural fear. Also he faces the Nazgul who have it on page (which will be revised too one day, I swear).
- As noted in the "limited" possession section, when a Houseless Elf spirit tries to take a body, the spirit inside the body can fight back and even win. Thus all characters should receive a resistance to possession and an additional to their resistance to soul manipulation since they can fight and struggle against the soul to push them back out.
- Oh, and Sauron should solidly receive a rating as well since it's confirmed spirits can possess bodies.
- Empathic Manipulation should be layered. Elves can resist their own EM but beings with the Light of Aman can EM them. Beings with the Light of Aman can also resist their own EM, but Songs of Power can EM them. Notably the Ainur resist their own EM from Songs of Power, although exceptional cases such as Lúthien can EM them.
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Forgot to add something for the power null part of Songs of Power.
Songs of Power begin having an effect the moment the song begins, as seen in multiple accounts, but during the duel between Finrod and Sauron, neither chief effect takes place.
They can essentially nullify things like Songs of Power with their own song (albeit, in this particular case, the power null effect only lasts if they win the duel).
Songs of Power begin having an effect the moment the song begins, as seen in multiple accounts, but during the duel between Finrod and Sauron, neither chief effect takes place.
They can essentially nullify things like Songs of Power with their own song (albeit, in this particular case, the power null effect only lasts if they win the duel).
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A bump in the dark.
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