I think another perfect example (for example 2 you mentioned) of a character who uses a flashlight correctly to be labeled is Moira from Resident Evil Revelations 2. She specifically uses it throughout the entire story mode to briefly stun enemies and reveal hidden items, it's a core mechanic of her gameplay.
I would not phrase my vote that way. One of the examples, listed in the OP, was Courage, who I in the past explicitly argued should not have Light Manipulation.
Not just standard, that can be a bit weaselly. If a character appears once with a bunch of camping gear, including a flashlight, we could only really say they have it as standard, but I don't think it'd be iconic/distinct enough to be included.
Well, a lighter "manipulates fire" on such a low scale that by itself it would be of no use in a fight (except if the character had some flammable liquid or something extra that he could use to cause a fire along with the lighter, in which case, why not give him "Minor Fire Manipulation"? Here is an example of a character who has Limited Fire Manipulation for carrying a lighter and gasoline.). A flashlight would definitely be more useful in a fight than a lighter, for reasons that several users have already mentioned.
Crucially, I said "a cigarette lighter" not "a cigarette lighter and large amounts of combustive fluid."
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Even most basic flashlights are still producing enough lumens to cause severe eye pain, one of the most common uses for a flashlight in self defense scenarios is to blind your opponent
Only if it's extremely close up but it's rarely used like that to be considered combative.
Agree with this.
Standard flashlights are blinding from a meter distance and at a 5-ish meter range they still hurt to look at. Even from like a 10 meter distance you're still going to flinch
Completely agree with Agnaa. It should definitely at least be listed as Standard/Optional Equipment, IMO.
That has never been the case most of the time when we note P&As as those are just as important, they don't even need to be powers at all
A squirt gun has such a limited amount of water that its "water manipulation" is limited enough to make it useless in combat even against characters made of fire. Many users have explained why a flashlight is useful enough that characters who have one in their standard equipment receive "limited light manipulation".
It should, because it's the same case here, if a character gets fire manipulation for having a flamethrower (which is not a power), there would be nothing wrong with giving him light manipulation for carrying a flashlight, which many users have already explained why it is useful in combat. It's as if people who agree with the OP don't read the counter-arguments.
You too homie. You're arguing that every single flashlight should be treated as a weapon just because specialised riot police flashlights exist; ignoring the supplied counter-argument of "it's not like a flamethrower, it's more like a lighter".
I guess, but at the same time, the wiki lacks guidance as to what falls under projection and what falls under manipulation when it comes to stuff like fire, water, light, etc, so under current wiki writings, removal is something we gotta do.
Comparing the usefulness of a lighter to that of a flashlight in a fight does not deserve to be called an argument. A lighter is not only useless as a weapon but its "fire manipulation" is so limited that it would not serve to harm the opponent or cause a fire without having extra elements, such as gasoline. A flashlight projects light that will be useful to counter darkness manipulation, to locate an opponent hiding in the dark and can be used to temporarily blind someone (Only 80 lumens can temporarily blind someone when in dark places, 200 lumens will temporarily blind someone during the day. Standard flashlights have 100 lumens, and many flashlights used for everyday tasks have 150 to 500 lumens. Even the flash light from a camera can cause temporary blindness lmao). It is true that there are flashlights that cannot be used for that, but they are small flashlights with few lumens.
So your arguments for a flashlight being a weapon while a lighter isn't are:
1- I didn't say that, I gave examples of several scenarios where a flashlight would be useful.
1- That is a much more specific and unlikely scenario than the examples I gave.
Sorry but I can't believe you're arguing in good faith if you're doing this, so I won't keep providing counterarguments.
Yeah but even standard LED/tactical flashlights range from 200 to over 4000 lumens, and in most cases a character wields a flashlight (security, police, ect) they're using an LED
For one thing, a lot of those numbers seem like absolute bullshit (there's no way they're selling a 2.5 mil lumen flashlight for $25; 10,000 lumens can cause permanent blindness), for another thing, you're going off saying "tactical". You're generalising way too hard here.
Yeah, this is the reason why Smokey the Bear exists: a small fire can turn into a huge blaze under the right conditions.
