Let's destroy this universe (Vivec vs. Caine)

[PsychoWarper]

Caine has passive EE, passive power neg and can reduce people to 2-D if not lower.

Its being discussed if Vivec can do something against those.

 

[TheVoidWalker69]

Well Vivec is 4D so wouldn't the reduction thing not work?

 

[Udlmaster]

It can affect 4-D Aliens called the Zigg'raugglurr, so it would logically work on a Vivec as a 4-D being. And Caine can manipulate the dimensional axis as well, and reduce Vivec to even lower dimensions like 1 or even Zero Dimensional by removing the dimensional axis

 

[Blackcurrant91]

A super intelellectual conversation about Plato, the famous Battleboarder.

I love that it's beyond Matthews comprehension as to why people want to argue TES matches on a vs debating site.

He only ever drops comments like this in TES matches and it's pretty cringe lol.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

What even is happening in here...

Seems like Caine has better win conditions

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Zigg'raugglurr

Unrelated but that sounds like something a young child would come up with lmao

 

[ShivaShakti]

A super intelellectual conversation about Plato, the famous Battleboarder.

I love that it's beyond Matthews comprehension as to why people want to argue TES matches on a vs debating site.
He only ever drops comments like this in TES matches and it's pretty cringe lol.

I think he's less mad about it being a TES debate, and more angry at the amount of Caine wank

 

[Blackcurrant91]

He's made similarly cringey comments in other TES threads. (although yes World of Darkness is wanked as ****)

 

[PsychoWarper]

Im pretty sure its more about TES and his history with Udl.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's less being angry and more I'm giving the thread the amount of serious thought it deserves.

 

[Dvorak1902]

Ok please, this is not the Matt thread either.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ok please, this is not the Matt thread either.

Thats true so lets get back on topic.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

https://imgur.com/WgjFPT8 is this seriously the justification for the Tellurium being 8-D? because someone is described as playing 8-D chess? lmao. (sorry for de-railing again)

 

[PsychoWarper]

Seems kinda relevant tbh.

 

[KaiokenX30]

How do I stop getting notifications from here? Idgas about this thread

 

[PsychoWarper]

How do I stop getting notifications from here? Idgas about this thread

Go to the OP and click on the blue following thing.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://imgur.com/WgjFPT8 is this seriously the justification for the Tellurium being 8-D? because someone is described as playing 8-D chess? lmao. (sorry for de-railing again)

Tier 2 Star Trek humans because they play chess when?

Hell, real life has such nonsense as "7D Theaters!" which don't mean much at all.

 

[KaiokenX30]

Go to the OP and click on the blue following thing.

Now I feel like a tard lol, thanks anyways.

 

[Udlmaster]

Zigg'raugglurr

Unrelated but that sounds like something a young child would come up with lmao

IKR, I do have a scan stating they're 4-D and exist if you don't believe me.

And for those saying that Caine is wanked, I've already been through the power of the verse on a thread where I was the only supporter, I've been through every kind of test possible, and I will respectfully disagree with anyone who says it's wanked and will be willing to talk with them after on discord.

And so, since there's currently no more arguments, I believe we can start the voting for Caine?

 

[Dvorak1902]

Okay, that did make sense.

I'll unfollow anyway, this thread makes me anxious..

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Except for the fact that pretty much every1 here thinks Vivec wins then sure why not Uld.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

what can vice can do against passive 11D power null and 2D sealing?It looks like Caine can incap here

 

[Udlmaster]

Except every argument presented has been countered and Caine's win conditions, I.E sealing to lower dimensions and keeping him stuck in a state of erasure.

2 win conditions vs 0.

To still say Vivec wins is based upon nothing but personal feelings towards the characters.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ive never said who wins just questioning some stuff

 

[PsychoWarper]

Except every argument presented has been countered and Caine's win conditions, I.E sealing to lower dimensions and keeping him stuck in a state of erasure.
2 win conditions vs 0.

To still say Vivec wins is based upon nothing but personal feelings towards the characters.

Btw 0 Win-con makes this a stomp and therefore voting not needed.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Again, Vivec can keep himself from being erased by a tier 0 entity with pure will power. Passive power null would probably work but passive 11-D powernull sounds like pure wank. Vivec absolutely does have a win condition of turning into a 1-A with nothing but a thought and laugs at Cains passive bullshit.

 

[PsychoWarper]

I feel like Tier 0 Willpower seems like a bit much.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"11-D Powernull" as a mere term will become meaningless in the wiki soon anyways.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Again, Vivec can keep himself from being erased by a tier 0 entity with pure will power. Passive power null would probably work but passive 11-D powernull sounds like pure wank. Vivec absolutely does have a win condition of turning into a 1-A with nothing but a thought and laugs at Cains passive bullshit.

expect he can't abuse chim otherwise he will get erased

 

[Blackcurrant91]

That's not what I said. I said he has resisted erasure on a tier 0 level and he absolutely has. Going Chim means being erased from the dream of The Amaranth which he resisted with pure will force of will.

 

[Udlmaster]

Vivec cannot go into CHIM as one of the Dudes knowledgable on TES said. And yes, the power of WoD is absurd, but WoD is an extreme rarity among fiction, it's just one of those verses full of surprises, if you want me to go in depth with you Blackcurrent, I'd have no problems talking to you directly on Discord, there I can give you everything to do with the ability.

Additionally even if we ignore the fact that Vivec cannot go into CHIM and that CHIM is a different key and wouldn't be allowed, there was never any proof that Vivec can do it while erased, and as Passive >>> Thought, Vivec doesn't get the chance to think.

 

[PsychoWarper]

This is a stomp either way, either Vivec has no Win-con to Caines 2 which is a stomp or Vivec becomes 1-A and stomps so this is simply a bad match-up.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

It is not clear where Caine get's his passive EE from on his profile at all nor passive '11-D powernull' what are Caines feats of passivley erasing type 5 acausals? he never erased Lilith in his fight with her right?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah some1 close this abomination.

 

[Udlmaster]

This is a stomp either way, either Vivec has no Win-con to Caines 2 which is a stomp or Vivec becomes 1-A and stomps so this is simply a bad match-up.

Very true, and since the TES guy already explained that it requires Zero Sum to allow CHIM and the fact that CHIM is another key and thus wouldn't be allowed by the site rules, this is a stomp for Caine.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

"11-D Powernull" as a mere term will become meaningless in the wiki soon anyways.

It already was though? Just claiming that something is 11D without evidence has always been meaningless.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, and even something being 11D doesn't necessarily mean its more powerful.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

So being able to nullify an 11D power is no different from nullifying a 10D power? Or a 9D power? Or a 123,213,510D power? Or an infinite-D power?

 

[Udlmaster]

Yeah, can we not do this here?


Can any of you close this thread due to this being a stomp.

You two can sort out your disagreements about Power Null elsewhere, I don't want to have to keep dealing with Matthew sperging in this thread and being overall extremely unprofessional and extremely dim.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

lol, this thread is terrible.

Someone close this.