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As before, I have an issue with a number of things on Lethal Company pages. Most of these are on a whim, I just read through the pages casually and found a large number of things I don't agree with. So, this CRT will be me addressing those issues. If you have something you also think is wrong, feel free to mention it- though it might not fit this CRT and require one of its own, I figure its worth hearing.

Thumper
  • Elasticity is based on "rubbery skin" when that's more likely a reference to texture than quality. Given we don't see Thumper ever do anything elastic (and the idea of it kinda goes against their lore, since they could just remove their feet from their eggs otherwise), I think this is an unwise addition.
  • A calc for speed would be nice. Superhuman suffices for now.
Bracken
  • "High intelligence" for something considered to be wildlife isn't generally above human levels. I'd leave it at "unknown".
  • Its Deconstruction isn't really worthy of note as an ability it has, when all it really means is that its body rapidly deteriorates after death.
  • Information on surviving a shotgun is inconsistent at best, since the shotgun appears to do somewhat randomized damage (which makes sense, given that it is a shotgun). I will note that point-blank shots with the shotgun have been known to insta-kill. I will ping @Roachman40 to confirm since I've seen the ************ do it.
Nutcracker
  • Using damage values to justify tier is insane. 100 damage is exactly how much health a character has. This means that anything dealing 100 damage is just "can one-shot the employee". This would include a landmine going off or the moon crashing into us or our brain exploding. The Nutcracker has no 9-B melee feats, just one-shotting the Player, which is at least 9-C. I'm more okay with the shotgun being listed as 9-B, since it can do significantly more than the shovel.
  • Should note the weakness of considerable damage dropoff with the shotgun. It's even seemingly more pronounced than real life shotguns.
Snare Flea
  • Depending on the outcome of @Comiphorous' CRT he made a while back, I think we ought to list this mf as "At least 10-B" for being able to restrain the Employee's head, since that CRT will adjust the Employee to "10-B, 9-C with weapons" or what have you.
"Jeb"/The Incredible Terror
  • His 5-B rating is completely unsupported. The feat is terribly vague in describing it- how long the process took, for example. We feed the Company piles of metal a day, and yet we're expected to believe he ate an entire planet in a single bite? The calc for it even puts the value far lower- and that isn't accepted (pinging you, @TheRustyOne) for the exact same logic above: we don't know the context of how he ate it. We don't even know the planet's size, but if he ate all of it, we do know it is a small planet, because it is inside of a creature significantly smaller than a moon.
  • I think we should rename the page to "The Company Monster", as that is what the community actually refers to it as (including its own wiki), and apparently it is also listed as "CompanyMonster" in the game files. I was confused as hell when I saw this name applied to it.
  • I don't know where the 500 years figure comes from. I'd be willing to believe it, but I want to know where that specific number originates from.
  • The Large Size will need downgraded, obviously, since the creature itself is smaller than the moon it resides on. Whatever the "golden planet" is, it was not nearly comparable to Earth in size.
  • I think a number of the things on the profile attributed to "Jeb" are the work of the real company coordinators, spoken about in Sigurd's logs, that are on the other side of the solar system. Specifically, I believe the Memory Manipulation is more likely attributed to them (the hirers of the employees being manipulated) than to the creature (which seems to largely just eat things). Ditto for the intelligence bit, as well as maybe Technology Manip. It seems to be able to distort the voicelines somewhat, since part of them speak as though they are the company caretakers ("Your work keeps the company happy" whereas others are audibly distorted and seems to come from the monster itself ("This wall cannot contain me").
  • I think at least a part of its resistances are a matter of size (paralysis, status effect, poison, electricity). We are talking about a creature the size of god-knows-what, poison can only do so much. A stun grenade hitting its hand here when its brain and sensory organs are unfathomable distances away would mean functionally nothing. The stun gun would need to be leagues more powerful to actually affect something of this scope. Etc. Radiation one is fine, though, and the only one I think is objectively wrong is the status effect one. The other two are correct but should note that it is in relatively small (microscopic, even) doses.
  • Speed should probably be Superhuman for blitzing employees. Calc may also be cool here, specifically calculating the tentacles shooting out suddenly to snatch up players.
General Issues
  • Radiation resistance should mention that they aren't affected immediately. It is suggested that, for example, employees are affected by radiation- the suit still warns them that this is, in fact, a danger. It's just that they don't suffer instant consequences. But with radiation, this is often the case: extreme exposure can cause debilitating lifelong effects without melting you instantly, after all. They can weather the extreme effects of radiation for hours on end, and arguably even days or weeks- but in a certain context it is definitely arguable that the same levels of radiation will kill them, or lead to their death/incapacitation.
  • The vent thing mentioned on creature profiles... I don't know how to feel about it. It seems like game mechanics to me, since it goes against certain ideas that the game puts forward. The idea that every creature is a contortionist in that specific context but nowhere else where it would help seems more like a contrivance intended to be looked over rather than a legitimate feature of the creatures.
That's about all I got for an off-the-cuff CRT on these pages. I'd like to hear thoughts on proposed alternatives to the Company Monster's ratings, since it could be really really high or not much at all.
 
"High intelligence" for something considered to be wildlife isn't generally above human levels. I'd leave it at "unknown".
I did sorta think Above Average seemed to high. But still theres enough feats for it to still have an intelligence rating. Like "At least Animalistic, Possibly High Animalistic" or something
Information on surviving a shotgun is inconsistent at best, since the shotgun appears to do somewhat randomized damage
Based on information from the lethal company wiki the shotgun does 5 damage per pellet and theres 25 pellets so if they all hit then its a oneshot
Depending on the outcome of @Comiphorous' CRT he made a while back, I think we ought to list this mf as "At least 10-B" for being able to restrain the Employee's head, since that CRT will adjust the Employee to "10-B, 9-C with weapons" or what have you.
I asked the general discussion thing and they all thought it should be unknown but I like 10-B better personally
I don't know where the 500 years figure comes from. I'd be willing to believe it, but I want to know where that specific number originates from.
Comes from the Bunker Spiders Bestiary. Since we know the company has existed since the 1960's and the bestiary is talking about 2497 thats at least 500 years
The vent thing mentioned on creature profiles... I don't know how to feel about it. It seems like game mechanics to me, since it goes against certain ideas that the game puts forward. The idea that every creature is a contortionist in that specific context but nowhere else where it would help seems more like a contrivance intended to be looked over rather than a legitimate feature of the creatures.
When a creature spawns the vent opens up so its not just meant as some random spawn point we're definitely meant to think they crawl out of the vents

Agree tho
 
Thumper
  • Elasticity is based on "rubbery skin" when that's more likely a reference to texture than quality. Given we don't see Thumper ever do anything elastic (and the idea of it kinda goes against their lore, since they could just remove their feet from their eggs otherwise), I think this is an unwise addition.
  • A calc for speed would be nice. Superhuman suffices for now.
Agreed with Elasticity removal, I remember their being a calc for thumper speed, probably misremembering it with bracken.
Bracken
  • "High intelligence" for something considered to be wildlife isn't generally above human levels. I'd leave it at "unknown".
  • Its Deconstruction isn't really worthy of note as an ability it has, when all it really means is that its body rapidly deteriorates after death.
  • Information on surviving a shotgun is inconsistent at best, since the shotgun appears to do somewhat randomized damage (which makes sense, given that it is a shotgun). I will note that point-blank shots with the shotgun have been known to insta-kill. I will ping @Roachman40 to confirm since I've seen the ************ do it.
You could probably argue that 'High Intelligence' could give High Animalistic, especially if the "High Intelligence" title is given in comparison to other wildlife. Removal(?) of Deconstruction im fine with and the info change about it surviving a pointblank shotgun blast im also fine with.
Nutcracker
  • Using damage values to justify tier is insane. 100 damage is exactly how much health a character has. This means that anything dealing 100 damage is just "can one-shot the employee". This would include a landmine going off or the moon crashing into us or our brain exploding. The Nutcracker has no 9-B melee feats, just one-shotting the Player, which is at least 9-C. I'm more okay with the shotgun being listed as 9-B, since it can do significantly more than the shovel.
  • Should note the weakness of considerable damage dropoff with the shotgun. It's even seemingly more pronounced than real life shotguns.
Looks fine to me
Snare Flea
  • Depending on the outcome of @Comiphorous' CRT he made a while back, I think we ought to list this mf as "At least 10-B" for being able to restrain the Employee's head, since that CRT will adjust the Employee to "10-B, 9-C with weapons" or what have you.
Looks fine to me^2
"Jeb"/The Incredible Terror
  • His 5-B rating is completely unsupported. The feat is terribly vague in describing it- how long the process took, for example. We feed the Company piles of metal a day, and yet we're expected to believe he ate an entire planet in a single bite? The calc for it even puts the value far lower- and that isn't accepted (pinging you, @TheRustyOne) for the exact same logic above: we don't know the context of how he ate it. We don't even know the planet's size, but if he ate all of it, we do know it is a small planet, because it is inside of a creature significantly smaller than a moon.
  • I think we should rename the page to "The Company Monster", as that is what the community actually refers to it as (including its own wiki), and apparently it is also listed as "CompanyMonster" in the game files. I was confused as hell when I saw this name applied to it.
  • I don't know where the 500 years figure comes from. I'd be willing to believe it, but I want to know where that specific number originates from.
  • The Large Size will need downgraded, obviously, since the creature itself is smaller than the moon it resides on. Whatever the "golden planet" is, it was not nearly comparable to Earth in size.
  • I think a number of the things on the profile attributed to "Jeb" are the work of the real company coordinators, spoken about in Sigurd's logs, that are on the other side of the solar system. Specifically, I believe the Memory Manipulation is more likely attributed to them (the hirers of the employees being manipulated) than to the creature (which seems to largely just eat things). Ditto for the intelligence bit, as well as maybe Technology Manip. It seems to be able to distort the voicelines somewhat, since part of them speak as though they are the company caretakers ("Your work keeps the company happy" whereas others are audibly distorted and seems to come from the monster itself ("This wall cannot contain me").
  • I think at least a part of its resistances are a matter of size (paralysis, status effect, poison, electricity). We are talking about a creature the size of god-knows-what, poison can only do so much. A stun grenade hitting its hand here when its brain and sensory organs are unfathomable distances away would mean functionally nothing. The stun gun would need to be leagues more powerful to actually affect something of this scope. Etc. Radiation one is fine, though, and the only one I think is objectively wrong is the status effect one. The other two are correct but should note that it is in relatively small (microscopic, even) doses.
  • Speed should probably be Superhuman for blitzing employees. Calc may also be cool here, specifically calculating the tentacles shooting out suddenly to snatch up players.
Looks fine to me^3
General Issues
  • Radiation resistance should mention that they aren't affected immediately. It is suggested that, for example, employees are affected by radiation- the suit still warns them that this is, in fact, a danger. It's just that they don't suffer instant consequences. But with radiation, this is often the case: extreme exposure can cause debilitating lifelong effects without melting you instantly, after all. They can weather the extreme effects of radiation for hours on end, and arguably even days or weeks- but in a certain context it is definitely arguable that the same levels of radiation will kill them, or lead to their death/incapacitation.
  • The vent thing mentioned on creature profiles... I don't know how to feel about it. It seems like game mechanics to me, since it goes against certain ideas that the game puts forward. The idea that every creature is a contortionist in that specific context but nowhere else where it would help seems more like a contrivance intended to be looked over rather than a legitimate feature of the creatures.
That's about all I got for an off-the-cuff CRT on these pages. I'd like to hear thoughts on proposed alternatives to the Company Monster's ratings, since it could be really really high or not much at all.
Looks fine to me^4
 
You could probably argue that 'High Intelligence' could give High Animalistic, especially if the "High Intelligence" title is given in comparison to other wildlife. Removal(?) of Deconstruction im fine with and the info change about it surviving a pointblank shotgun blast im also fine with.
I did sorta think Above Average seemed to high. But still theres enough feats for it to still have an intelligence rating. Like "At least Animalistic, Possibly High Animalistic" or something
I think High Animalistic is entirely justified from the context, yes. I suggested Unknown because it may well be significantly higher than that. I'd be down for High Animalistic if y'all are.

Comes from the Bunker Spiders Bestiary. Since we know the company has existed since the 1960's and the bestiary is talking about 2497 thats at least 500 years
Huh, good find. I recall there being speculation about the time of the game but before it couldn't be substantiated, it's good to find confirmation like this.

When a creature spawns the vent opens up so its not just meant as some random spawn point we're definitely meant to think they crawl out of the vents
I disagree that a spawn point noting that it has been used is inherently intended to be taken at face value.

I don't know anything about this verse, why am I being pinged here?
You evaluated a calculation regarding a feat, devouring a golden planet. It can be found here. You voiced similar concerns to those I hold in the OP, so I pinged you at the very least letting you know that your points were being discussed. You're free to not take part if you want, doesn't bother me either way.
 
You evaluated a calculation regarding a feat, devouring a golden planet. It can be found here. You voiced similar concerns to those I hold in the OP, so I pinged you at the very least letting you know that your points were being discussed. You're free to not take part if you want, doesn't bother me either way.
I was unaware this was connected to that.

But I agree with the OP about the 5-B rating, especially if the creature is much smaller than a moon. That's all I can really say on this matter.
 
No like, outrun it when they stared at it for too long.
It only charges for a short period of time. If you have enough of a lead, you can outrun it, yes.
 
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Anyway, I agree, man.
 
I completely agree with Bambu here

Brackens, Nutcrackers are absolutely 9-C and these extra “abilities” are insane stretches.

Deconstruction and Elasticity is kinda just tacked on to the Bracken and Thumper when they either are irrelevant or not even shown.

Planet level “Jeb” is really crazy, we feed that thing on literal scraps and the scales are very vague.
 
I remember that in Sigurd's logs there's talk about them potentially holding back the company monster by feeding it. We also do know that humans were living on the golden planet as per the whole phone shenanigans in sigur logs. This means, even if it is small, it should be big enough to have a notable amount of humans living on it without dying or flying off (so likely moon sized and not the Phobos/Deimos types of moons, proper ones).

I might recheck a few things but the fact that humans couldn't escape the monster in time despite space travel being available might imply that it ate the planet fast.
 
I remember that in Sigurd's logs there's talk about them potentially holding back the company monster by feeding it. We also do know that humans were living on the golden planet as per the whole phone shenanigans in sigur logs. This means, even if it is small, it should be big enough to have a notable amount of humans living on it without dying or flying off (so likely moon sized and not the Phobos/Deimos types of moons, proper ones).

I might recheck a few things but the fact that humans couldn't escape the monster in time despite space travel being available might imply that it ate the planet fast.
I know that. I think it's massive. It just obviously isn't planet sized.
 
Yeah I agree with everything presented, especially the vent bit.

You expect me to believe the Jester somehow came out of that tiny vent?
 
Yeah I agree with everything presented, especially the vent bit.

You expect me to believe the Jester somehow came out of that tiny vent?
Tbf Bracken also comes out of vents and he is bigger than a person and seems to drag the corspe around too
 
Bracken contorting is believable. A whole box fitting into the vent is not.
 
Yeah I agree with everything presented, especially the vent bit.

You expect me to believe the Jester somehow came out of that tiny vent?
Jester actually spawns without vents it just starts in the facility.

Which is why they don’t have body control on their profile
 
Tbf if Pluto wasn't orbited by Charon's fat ass it'd still be considered a planet, despite being smaller than the moon Ganymede.
Sure, but here, the word planet is extrapolated to mean "earth-sized".
 
Sure, but here, the word planet is extrapolated to mean "earth-sized".
Ik so I do agree with the 5-B downgrade. I do think he could get a tier out of sheer size. Didn't a spatial body need to be like 600km to be circular or sth? I doubt humans would live on anything smaller since that would have shit gravity and terrain.
 
Didn't a spatial body need to be like 600km to be circular or sth? I doubt humans would live on anything smaller since that would have shit gravity and terrain.
Mimas has a diameter of 396 km and it looks spherical enough to me. (comment fixed to not be me robotically regurgitating Wikipedia)
 
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Bracken
  • "High intelligence" for something considered to be wildlife isn't generally above human levels. I'd leave it at "unknown".
  • Its Deconstruction isn't really worthy of note as an ability it has, when all it really means is that its body rapidly deteriorates after death.
  • Information on surviving a shotgun is inconsistent at best, since the shotgun appears to do somewhat randomized damage (which makes sense, given that it is a shotgun). I will note that point-blank shots with the shotgun have been known to insta-kill. I will ping @Roachman40 to confirm since I've seen the ************ do it.
Agree with the intelligence. i honestly went on auto-pilot while making the page and put above average due to the high intelligence comment.

i suppose agree on the deconstruction

It's inconsistent iirc due to the fact the shotgun's damage is slightly randomized (which i wasn't aware of while making the page) which is why it's there.

everything else i agree with.
 
Ik so I do agree with the 5-B downgrade. I do think he could get a tier out of sheer size. Didn't a spatial body need to be like 600km to be circular or sth? I doubt humans would live on anything smaller since that would have shit gravity and terrain.
It can be much larger and have shit gravity, there's too much speculation involved and we don't know a lot of other factors to the feat- such as how many bites it took to eat.
 
Mimas has a diameter of 396 km and it looks spherical enough to me. (comment fixed to not be me robotically regurgitating Wikipedia)
It can be much larger and have shit gravity, there's too much speculation involved and we don't know a lot of other factors to the feat- such as how many bites it took to eat.
I'm more so talking about this

Rocky planets seem to require 900+km to achieve that on average but icy ones only need around 400~
 
It only charges for a short period of time. If you have enough of a lead, you can outrun it, yes.
Fair, though apparently you can also kill the Bracken by strafing it with a shovel in the new update now...



Probably gameplay jank but idk
 
Fair, though apparently you can also kill the Bracken by strafing it with a shovel in the new update now...



Probably gameplay jank but idk

Interesting. That's not really gameplay jank but it also probably isn't straight up scaling speed either, since that seems to be bull fighting the bracken- moving a bit to the side so it misses its charge. It is visibly moving faster than the guy still, and even then I don't think it's reaching full speed there.
 
Comes from the Bunker Spiders Bestiary. Since we know the company has existed since the 1960's and the bestiary is talking about 2497 thats at least 500 years
Apparently that was a "continuity issue" btw, the text has since been revised in the recent update to read "10/6/1965", which would be before Sigurd's own logs. Since this seems to have been very deliberately changed, I suspect we're still in pre-modern era, and that the company has not existed for long at all. I've taken a screenshot here.

EDIT: This means the OP proposal now includes removing Longevity as an ability, since the evidence for that was specifically altered by the game's creator.
 
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