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I'm not arguing that her invulnerability will protect her from the whip; it will. But it won't protect her from Claire's fire attacks, right? Those aren't physical
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Kwon Shi-Yun vs Claire Rouge (1 more votes)
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Oh, yeah. Not those. No, since those are just pure flames. Apologies if I was unclear or just outright said the wrong thing above.
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Hooo boi. Will get back to this later (friday later)
But, well, her invulnerability is litiraly taking damage as HP loss, the plain invulnerabilty comes from spiritualization/incarnation, which is only for 7-C key.
That ones flames do burn magic on top of giving resistance to being physically slapped. And they also give resistance to bullets and such, the non-physical stuff is either a superpower or magic.
But the whip wouldn't do much, with the pain passing in seconds, her already high tolerance and the ability to not get actually damaged make that a sure thing.
A smol question about a smol girl:
What AP does the smol one have.
But, well, her invulnerability is litiraly taking damage as HP loss, the plain invulnerabilty comes from spiritualization/incarnation, which is only for 7-C key.
That ones flames do burn magic on top of giving resistance to being physically slapped. And they also give resistance to bullets and such, the non-physical stuff is either a superpower or magic.
But the whip wouldn't do much, with the pain passing in seconds, her already high tolerance and the ability to not get actually damaged make that a sure thing.
A smol question about a smol girl:
What AP does the smol one have.
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@Ricsi-vigarosi
We already concluded Claire's whips (both the regular and magical one) wouldn't do much to Kwon (though since the magical whip IS the cat, it can shoot fire by itself and also act independently).
What do you mean by "smol girl"? Claire? Well, 8-A. How far into 8-A? No idea, and most likely impossible to determine. Do you mean the AP of the cat? Also 8-A, as strong as Claire herself. If you mean the catgirl version of the cat, she's stronger than Claire, but she's not available in her 1st key.
We already concluded Claire's whips (both the regular and magical one) wouldn't do much to Kwon (though since the magical whip IS the cat, it can shoot fire by itself and also act independently).
What do you mean by "smol girl"? Claire? Well, 8-A. How far into 8-A? No idea, and most likely impossible to determine. Do you mean the AP of the cat? Also 8-A, as strong as Claire herself. If you mean the catgirl version of the cat, she's stronger than Claire, but she's not available in her 1st key.
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I meant a feat or something that puts her at that tier.
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She can burn down a part of a forest around her to ashes instantly
It's on her profile
It's on her profile
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No calc? The feat can higly depend on the amount of trees burned and the kind of it that was burned, the timeframe (a second, a tenth of a second, etc.), the amount height of the trees.
Can you actually show me where she does that? No pressure mind you, and it's allright if you can't.
But until then, I'll asume baseline 8-A, which means that Kwon has a rather big AP advantage.
Can you actually show me where she does that? No pressure mind you, and it's allright if you can't.
But until then, I'll asume baseline 8-A, which means that Kwon has a rather big AP advantage.
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Calcing was impossible due to lack of details, so estimation based on the most likely assumptions had to be used. The whole thing was on a CR thread and approved, so it's safe to use. Sadly, that means we can't pinpoint how far into 8-A she is. Here are 3 quotes from the LN about it.
a) She suddenly faced the forest and launched a fire-attribute spirit magic. It was Fireball — a high ranking spirit magic that would reduce a target to ashes with extremely hot flames. They licked the ground and the nearby forest was reduced to ashes.
b) The released fireball drew an arch in the air, then exploded in a blast that even Scarlet was caught in, despite being a good distance away from her. The shockwave of the large explosion knocked down the trees in her surroundings and all the fallen trees radiated, turning to ashes in the blink of an eye.
c)"—Scarlet!" She called her flame spirit's name, which ran towards the demon spirit, devouring the surrounding forest with its flames.
a) She suddenly faced the forest and launched a fire-attribute spirit magic. It was Fireball — a high ranking spirit magic that would reduce a target to ashes with extremely hot flames. They licked the ground and the nearby forest was reduced to ashes.
b) The released fireball drew an arch in the air, then exploded in a blast that even Scarlet was caught in, despite being a good distance away from her. The shockwave of the large explosion knocked down the trees in her surroundings and all the fallen trees radiated, turning to ashes in the blink of an eye.
c)"—Scarlet!" She called her flame spirit's name, which ran towards the demon spirit, devouring the surrounding forest with its flames.
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I guess thats alright, but that still puts her on a likely lower scale of 8-A by a good amount
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That's fine, she's definitely in the lower half of 8-A
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Welp, Kwon has enough of an AP to make up for the loss in skill versatility.
Stuff like gamers body and mind, and speed/stat amps help a lot here.
Stuff like gamers body and mind, and speed/stat amps help a lot here.
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It's unlikely she's exactly on baseline, but it's true she's not high in the tier
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So, I read again all the comments about Kwon's "invulnerability" and what her profile says. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting but, in her 1st key at least, it sounds more like Resistance to Pain Manipualtion for physical attacks than straight up invulnerability.
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She is far avove someone who is baseline in, like, season 2.Huesito88 said:
By the latest 8-A states she has actual multipliers on top of the power increases.
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Considering Kwon's profile doesn't have "Multi-City Block level+", she's on the lower half, too. Her AP would be, at most, 549 tons.
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She is around 300~400, which is a massive advantage against baseline.
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Let me try to sum up what we've got
Kwon's advantages: Higher AP, Flight, Stat Amp, Slight Durability Negation, Fast Regen, Unaffected by whip attacks, Higher Pulling Strength (so can free herself from being entangled)
Claire's advantages: Range, 2-vs-1, Fire Resistance/Absorption, Intelligence, Slight Instinctive Reaction, Healing, Scarlet can switch in-and-out of cat and whip forms instantly, Last-Resort Durability Negation
Kwon's advantages: Higher AP, Flight, Stat Amp, Slight Durability Negation, Fast Regen, Unaffected by whip attacks, Higher Pulling Strength (so can free herself from being entangled)
Claire's advantages: Range, 2-vs-1, Fire Resistance/Absorption, Intelligence, Slight Instinctive Reaction, Healing, Scarlet can switch in-and-out of cat and whip forms instantly, Last-Resort Durability Negation
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I mean, I could see myself voting for the loli if not for the AP.
But, a X4 AP advantage is enough to nearly onegshot, comned with dura ignoring and a strike to the head gives a concussion at best, and vreaks her neck at worst.
But, a X4 AP advantage is enough to nearly onegshot, comned with dura ignoring and a strike to the head gives a concussion at best, and vreaks her neck at worst.
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When Kwon fights, does she always do it with her flames on?
Also, what do you say of my interpretation?
Also, what do you say of my interpretation?
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No, the two are seperate abilities. She does use them together though.
Not really. You could strike with a blade while having a X2 AP advantage and still not go even a CM deep in her skin. She actualy feels pain too, it just passes the moment the cause of it passes.
Not really. You could strike with a blade while having a X2 AP advantage and still not go even a CM deep in her skin. She actualy feels pain too, it just passes the moment the cause of it passes.
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Ah, so it's like a sort of "side HP bar" that takes damage for her. She herself doesn't take damage, but when that "HP bar" becomes low, she starts feeling the effects?
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She always feels the effects. Say she gets stabbed, she feels the stab, but her body isnt actualy pierced. However, the moment the blade is taken away she stops feeling it.
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What about the damage accumulation that's listed in her weaknesses? How does it play out, then?
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She has an HP bar, using her skill for too long reduces the HP bar gradualy, as does being hit.
0 HP=Death.
It does take quiet a bit to take an effect though, and it's only with some of her abilities (like black flames)
0 HP=Death.
It does take quiet a bit to take an effect though, and it's only with some of her abilities (like black flames)
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I see. More or less what I thought.
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How has Kwon lost in the past? I assume she's lost a few times.
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She lost against the church of Masks when they bound her with binding spells multiple times, too many for her to break out of, which drained her considerably. She also lost to the guild leader who was significantly faster and more skilled in CQC than her.
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Can that "HP bar" be replenished mid-fight?
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I'm honestly not sure. I don't think it's been pushed that far before.
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You know, it hurts. This fight hurts. The more I think about it, the less I can find ways for Claire to bypass Kwon's abilities. I don't want to vote against my girl, but I think I'll have to.
Claire may be very smart, have colossal range advantage, healing and fire resistance, but she has very little training in melee combat. If she's struck with one solid hit, it'll seriously damage her, if not kill her. In such a situation, Scarlet would act independantly and try to protect Claire from a second hit. The cat would probably buy some time, since it's small, agile and can absorb fire, but it's a similar situation: if Scarlet gets hit solidly, it'll get KO'ed resulting in getting teleported back to its plain to recover. And if Scarlet gets severely injured, Claire will be disoriented, easily leading to her loss. Kwon also has that "side HP bar" thing + fast regen, which would be annoying to get past, stat amp which makes Kwon stronger and a bit faster than Claire, and Kwon is strong enough to counter Claire's frequent tactic of entangling her opponents.
I still think Claire has ways of beating Kwon (since they're in NY, Claire would likely deduce several ways to trap and confuse Kwon by using the environment to her advantage, or create diversions with Scarlet and play a guerilla-type match), but not a majority of the time.
Sigh... I switch my vote to Kwon. I feel like she'd win 7/10.
Claire may be very smart, have colossal range advantage, healing and fire resistance, but she has very little training in melee combat. If she's struck with one solid hit, it'll seriously damage her, if not kill her. In such a situation, Scarlet would act independantly and try to protect Claire from a second hit. The cat would probably buy some time, since it's small, agile and can absorb fire, but it's a similar situation: if Scarlet gets hit solidly, it'll get KO'ed resulting in getting teleported back to its plain to recover. And if Scarlet gets severely injured, Claire will be disoriented, easily leading to her loss. Kwon also has that "side HP bar" thing + fast regen, which would be annoying to get past, stat amp which makes Kwon stronger and a bit faster than Claire, and Kwon is strong enough to counter Claire's frequent tactic of entangling her opponents.
I still think Claire has ways of beating Kwon (since they're in NY, Claire would likely deduce several ways to trap and confuse Kwon by using the environment to her advantage, or create diversions with Scarlet and play a guerilla-type match), but not a majority of the time.
Sigh... I switch my vote to Kwon. I feel like she'd win 7/10.
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I'm not familiar with the series. Is it good? How long is it?
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In the LN, she goes through some pretty nice development over the series. Volume 12-Claire is very different from Volume 1-ClaireHuesito88 said:
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Blade Dance is a decent series. It doesn't do anything particularly unique, and it can be quite cliché, but it handles its generic aspects in such a way that is makes it entertaining and fun, never making it repetitive or boring. The action is enticing enough, the characters are fun and have a decent amount of development, and the story has a competent level of intrigue. There are 3 big arcs: Academy arc, Tournament arc and War arc; the series is almost done, being 19 volumes in out of 20. Since it's a harem, expect some of the usual tropes, but the girls are cute and have enough character and personality to go beyond their archetypes.Litentric Teon said:
Just don't expect ant masterpiece. It's a fun little series, imo. Warning: there are MANY tsunderes, lol
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In the LN, she goes through some pretty nice development over the series. Volume 12-Claire is very different from Volume 1-Claire
I read the whole entire LN series casually and by casual I read it as a fan/normal reader rather than for a in depth verse analyze for every single word for verse debating.
I read the whole entire LN series casually and by casual I read it as a fan/normal reader rather than for a in depth verse analyze for every single word for verse debating.
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Oh okay. Didn't know you had read it
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