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Kumagawa vs Fugil

Ok but what exactly?

Cus causality manip can literally accomplish most other powers. It's literally like saying "reality warping".
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Making attacks not reach him
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That's not what actually happens, the attacks reach him, they just lose their effect. Example: Magialca punched him, but the effect of said punch wasn't recieved due to Causality Manip.
 
Anyway, Fugil leads with whatever law he needs at th moment, so nothing stops Fugil from just going "whatever you do gets reflected back at you with 2x potency" or some shiz like that.

What does Kumagawa lead with again?

And Earl, range is not always potency, so it being universal doesn't necessarily makes it better.
 
Ionliosite said:
Anyway, Fugil leads with whatever law he needs at th moment, so nothing stops Fugil from just going "whatever you do gets reflected back at you with 2x potency" or some shiz like that.
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Bookmaker is a thing. It would just seal everything.
 
I mean, it would seal Kumagawa too if Fugil do the attack reflection law, since everything that hapens to Fugil happens to his opponent with twice the potency. So that's an incon.
 
Ionliosite said:
I mean, it would seal Kumagawa too if Fugil do the attack reflection law, since everything that hapens to Fugil happens to his opponent with twice the potency. So that's an incon.
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Wouldn't the law get sealed too?
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Would Bookmaker even work on Kuma? It would change basically nothing for him
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Precisely. If both get sealed, Kumagawa would still be Kumagawa, fugil would faint.
 
Wouldn't the law get sealed too?

No, Kumagawa would have to stop the three power sorces from Fugil, and one of them (the seven Grand Forces) are across different countries in Europe and Kumagawa would need Arcadia blood to even affect the Grand Forces, so that's not happening.
 
Precisely. If both get sealed, Kumagawa would still be Kumagawa, fugil would faint.

How would exactly Fugil faint? He has resistance to that.
 
Ionliosite said:
How would exactly Fugil faint? He has resistance to that.
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It's not mind hax. You get down to Kumagawa's level in body, spirit, technique, will etc etc etc and even mind. You faint from that. You literally cannot handle being kumagawa, that is the idea.
 
I'm not saying that falls into mind hax resistance, I'm saying that Fugil literally has resistance to faint. And Fugil controls his body, spiritual energy and all other things GG.
 
Kuma has no resistance to lawhax tho.

Also, where does Kuma's power null resistance come from? The profile doesn't explain.
 
Ionliosite said:
Kuma has no resistance to lawhax tho.
Also, where does Kuma's power null resistance come from? The profile doesn't explain.
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So? He just seals fugil when the match starts.

Minus didn't get nulled by a liquid thing that nulled all abnormalities. And Minus resist getting erased by All Fiction.
 
Not really, Fugil can just dissapear with Zero One or just get resistance to that, or both at the same time. Also, how does Kumagawa do the sealing? Bcause he doesn't have the range or it isn't said how much range he has with Bookmaker.

Ok.
 
ZeroOne takes time. And again Bookmaker seals power nullification abilities that nullify abilities that cannot be nullified normally. It is pretty freaking potent. Not to mention Fugil would have to know what Bookmaker even is to gain resistance to it.

As for the range, he can just spawn it inside people. Or pseudo-inf speed himself to hit him with a screw.
 
Fugil can know it with Arshalia's info analysis, but he doesn't need to know what it is to grant himself resistance to it. But Bookmaker wouldn't be able to null Ouroboros abilities since it can't reach the Grand Forces. And if Kumagawa goes to seal Fugil's abilities, would he hit Fugil or Ouroboros? (not that it really matters since nulling Fugil won't do much and nulling Ouroboros will do nothing for what I just said)

How likely is Kumagawa to do that stuff?
 
He doesn't null. He seals your abilities. Which means even the skill to use your abilities.

Pretty in character when he's willing to win. He usually does either that or erasing the opponent's abilities to mess with him.
 
Sealing your abilities is the same as nulling them tho. And that still wouldn't work due to not affecting the Grand Forces. And even if he bypasses his resistance to power null (which I dout because it's not nrmal resistance since it is lawhax based), he still can't affect it with basically anything.
 
Ionliosite said:
Sealing your abilities is the same as nulling them tho. And that still wouldn't work due to not affecting the Grand Forces. And even if he bypasses his resistance to power null (which I dout because it's not nrmal resistance since it is lawhax based), he still can't affect it with basically anything.
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It means fugil would fall unconscious and be unable to use his powers
 
So both think and their abilities are active, but one just erases time while the other lawhaxes them gone.


Correct?
 
1. Misogi's time erasure is retroactive (never happened), so in other words it reaches faster than "thought based"

2. Misogi can just erase laws.

3. Misogi will be unaffected by some laws (attack reflection laws, possibly power null laws considering how potent bookmaker is, no damage dealt laws etc), so Fugil has to open with the right ones.

So out of everything Fugil can do, only few at most can actually end the fight in his favour. Whereas Misogi on top of other advantages, has an almost surefire win condition.

So while both can end it, the probability game is surely on Misogi's side (from my perspective at least).
 
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