Kriemhild Gretchen vs The Emperor of Mankind

[Holyhotsauce]

Pretty sure he was memeing.

It was a bit of both, actually.

Seriously, can GEoM resist what Kal said to be "Despair distilled down to the conceptual level"?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If you have to ask "does he resist ____?", and it comes from something below one of these, 99% of the time the answer will be "yes" to some degree.

 

[Holyhotsauce]

If you have to ask "does he resist ____?", and it comes from something below one of these, 99% of the time the answer will be "yes" to some degree.

Even in the Materium? Dam.

Emps is even more OP then I thought.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Being unable to just go up and slug the Chaos Gods in the face doesn't stop him from being one of the few things that can directly oppose them.

This is part of why they continuously try to do things to those around the Emperor as opposed to targeting the Emperor himself.

 

[Newendigo]

So basically all his hax and hax resistances are up to High 1-B in both base and "corpse" form?

Neat.

 

[DMB_1]

So basically all his hax and hax resistances are up to High 1-B in both base and "corpse" form?
Neat.

That's why we should just add "4-A, High 1-B via hax"

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I remember during Reinhard vs Emprah back then. People says LLT can kills materium Emprah. And his mind manip resistance isn't on higher D level.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

And his mind manip resistance isn't on higher D level.

I can assure you it would be, as there are worse psykers than he with stuff like that.

Also people saying something with a 1-A source likely being able to kill a guy with a High 1-B source isn't exactly too far fetched.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

LLT isn't 1-A, at least not in Rein non Hadou God form.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

1-A source, not 1-A. The same way the materium Emperor isn't High 1-B, but has relative influence of that level, in certain cases.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

1-A source, not 1-A. The same way the materium Emperor isn't High 1-B, but has relative influence of that level, in certain cases.

No, Non Hadou God LLT isn't 1-A in hax or ap wise. ALRF even said so in UKG vs Rein thread.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Then yeah it's not killing him for good, unless you just mean wiping out his physical presence.

But that's off topic.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Yeah, I'm just saying that since UKG has better erasure than Non Hadou LLT, she still can do something here.

 

[Schnee_One]

What's the vote count?

 

[RKGenki]

I think it's 0-0 as it got reseted due to UKG getting doppel abilities midway through

 

[Schnee_One]

And how does that reset the votes when it's likely not doing anything?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Did anyone even vote? I wasn't paying attention.

 

[Schnee_One]

You have the votes in the beginning of the thread but I'm not sure if precog+Erasure is enough of s vote albeit perfectly valid.

 

[RKGenki]

It gives UKG various passive abilities, and as said before at least one of them can affect the Emperor

Also precog+erasure I'm not really sure how much is valid as UKG can do the exact same + he has to get through all the passives first

 

[Newendigo]

From above comments, GEoM just needs to think and UKG dies.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

But UKG can literally do nothing to use some of her abilities

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I guess I'll also try and explain part of why people keep saying the Emperor's EE is so good.

• Vulkan, with some things the Emperor had him subconsciously forge, annihilates a Greater Daemon.

"Ignoring its gurgled protests, he charged at Aghalbor and fed his fury into Urdrakule. Hurt, but not defeated, the daemon unsheathed its canker sword.

Vulkan shattered it. He smashed in Aghalbor's milky eye and broke off an antler. The talisman grew warm against his chest, and Vulkan yoked its strength. He struck again, and again. And with every blow that followed, the daemon shrank, wheezing like a slowly deflating bladder until nothing but pieces of decaying flesh remained.

The flesh began to discorporate, withering against Urdrakule's cleansing fire, unable to turn back into the swarm.

Not even ash was left by the end.

The daemon was dead. Not banished, but annihilated. The talisman had done that, Vulkan was certain. As he had killed it, he beheld the endless flame again but in snatched flashes. Exhausted, its meaning eluded him for now."

• An idea of what a daemon is, and how they are created and tied directly to their god. Said gods are normally the only ones who can actually "kill" them, due to getting rid of their core animating essence.

"The Chaos Gods are not alone in warp space.They have created servants from their own essences―the creatures mortals call Daemons. Daemons are beings of a somewhat different nature to their masters, and are the most numerous of the warp's inhabitants. A Daemon is 'born' when a Chaos God expends aportion of its power to create a separate being.This power binds a collection of senses, thoughts and purposes together, creating a personality and consciousness that can move within the warp.The Chaos God can reclaim the independence it has given to its minions at any time; this ensures their continuing loyalty, and means although some wayward Daemons may not act entirely in accordance with their master's commands, even the greatest of them would not dare outright defiance. As beings of pure entropic energy and emotion, it is only through the loss of this animating essence that a Daemon can be truly destroyed, its mind dissolving into the whorls and currents of the warp."

• On the subject of daemons in realspace.

"Though it may appear to be made of normal matter when it materialis es in realspace, a Daemon's form is no more physical than it is in the Realm of Chaos. Outside of the immaterium, Daemons have particular invulnerabilities and weaknesses, as well as many destructive and terrifying powers derived from their warp-born nature. Slaying a Daemon's physical projection only severs its presence in reality, banishing it back into the warp. While its true essence remains unharmed, the blow to the Daemon's pride is considerable, and those that are forcibly returned to their own realm must endure the mockery and torment of their fellows until they can return to corporeal form and avenge themselves― assuming they are not simply re-absorbed by their creator as the price of their failure."


To put this in perspective, this is like if a higher-dimensional metaphysical entity sent a hologram of itself into your room. You then proceeded to punch that hologram, somehow also completely destroying the higher-dimensional entity and ignoring its immortalities and ties to even greater beings in the process, despite the fact that what you hit should not have had any true connection to it, whatsoever.

Emperor's EE > this.

 

[RKGenki]

Just read the match between the Emperor and Nicol Bolas

It was inconlusive as both could erase each other, Bolas withouth completely killing him but stopping him from coming back.

Which UKG can do via law manip which should be similar to Madoka's (unless he resist it)

This all comes down to if UKG's passives works, if they do she might have a slight edge, with Tart's probably being her best shot as the Emprah is burnt by his sins and then UKG stops him from coming back

If they don't it's probably inconclusive if UKG's erasure works (at least for his materium body, I don"t think his high 1-B essence (?) is allowed?), or a victory for the Emprah if it doesn't

Btw remember that UKG's precog is the same as a 4-D being omnipresent through all the space-time of at least two infinite multiverses who has seen all their past, present and future possibilities (it comes from Madoka's nigh-omniscience which UKG has)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Just read the match between the Emperor and Nicol Bolas
It was inconlusive as both could erase each other, Bolas withouth completely killing him but stopping him from coming back.

Not exactly.

I said it might do so, at the time.

And that was pretty heavily based on indecisiveness.

I'd probably lean further towards the Emperor, now.

 

[RKGenki]

Got it

What about the other points? I know I might've said something wrong, so please correct me

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Bolas vs Emprah (Redux) when?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@RKgenki About which one, exactly? I don't think you really made any false claims? Or do you just mean what I might disagree with?

For example, I don't think precog will really be helping either of them too much, as I said before (or might not have, if I forgot).

 

[RKGenki]

Mostly about what does and doesn't work, as I don't know enough about the Emperor of Mankind

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I could probably try to clarify more, later (after I actually get some sleep lol).

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Go get some sleep man. Your health is a priority than making Emprah win....as heresy as it sounds.

 

[RKGenki]

Oh ok I'll wait for you, go get some sleep, It's better for your health

 

[Thatoneguy78]

So did anyone vote yet?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Still waiting for the debate to be settle. Gretchen got some nice abilities, some of them are passive.

 

[Thatoneguy78]

Still waiting for the debate to be settle. Gretchen got some nice abilities, someof them are passive.

Well I mean thing like poison and invisibility aren't gonna work on GEOM. Other things like Curse Manipulation I would say he could resist seeing as how his son Magnus somehow has Curse Manipulation on his profile.

Also the UKG penance stare has to be able to kill the GEOM permanently or else his spirit would destroy her cause of the whole 10,000 of Powering up a galaxy wide beacon of raw energy while being incapped in the material realm and doing battle with the chaos gods in the warp. EE as well I would contest seeing as how almost everyone and there mom has EE in the warhammer verse and Daemons of tzeentzh even have it.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I mean, with the whole higher D immortality and essence got restricted by default. Can Emprah likely Mid-Godly let him comeback from getting erased beyond nonexistence? And Law manip would help her to keep him in the nonexistence if he survives that.

 

[Thatoneguy78]

I mean, with the whole higher D immortality and essence got restricted by default. Can Emprah possibly Mid-Godly let him comeback from getting erased beyond nonexistence? And Law manip would help her to keep him in the nonexistence.

That I am not too sure of you gotta ask the expert that.

But Didn't we have like a whole discussion about how the Emperor insane precog combined with EE would lead to him killing her first or something.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Pretty sure Azzy himself stated that precog doesn't helps either of them that much. So, it is probably who hits who first scenario.

 

[Thatoneguy78]

Pretty sure Azzy himself stated that precog doesn't helps either of them that much. So, it is probably who hits who first scenario.

Welp never thought I see the day that the GEOM would get into a who hits first scenario with a magical girl.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Time is surely change.......

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Precog certainly helps the Emperor. He's canonically planned and set up shit 25,000 years ahead.