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thank you. I just wanted to double check.
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Kriemhild Gretchen vs The Emperor of Mankind
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You'll see...... you'll see soon enough........
*walks into the shadow laughing maniacally
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Just don't do a warhammer character for all that is good and holy in the world
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WHAT??? No I'm not, I'm just going to do some.......experimenTATION!!!!!!!!!
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I mean I do know that the reason why the Emperor doesn't just die is because the second he does a massive warpstorm will over take Terra and a new eye of terror will be formed this time in the heart of humanitySomebodyData said:
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Yes.Thatoneguy78 said:
You are also correct in that it's usually suggested that the threat of Terra becoming another warpstorm without the Golden Throne is the reason he hasn't just healed himself and gotten up, yet.
This is likely still the case unless the end of the Heresy reveals something else.
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Does that mean he can still attack even when incap?
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He's been maintaining a nearly galaxy-wide beacon of psychic energy for 10,000 years while basically being a skeleton, so yeah probably.
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Ad Mid-Godly via dying, What does that mean?
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A very old, dubious canon book even has a scene with the Corpse Emperor, and it is packed with feats for him, for what is worth.
His mere voice is described as nullifying the existence of the time itself, for instance.
Even as a rotting, dying corpse the Emperor is still the most powerful Psyker in the setting.
His mere voice is described as nullifying the existence of the time itself, for instance.
Even as a rotting, dying corpse the Emperor is still the most powerful Psyker in the setting.
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It is implied in Old Earth that it was The Emperor who brought Vulkan back after the Fulgurite
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Would confirm that the fulgurite weakness wouldn't apply to the Emperor then, I assume.Matthew Schroeder said:
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Didn't Guilliman say that GEoM while on the throne was more powerful than his pre-ascension self?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Or was that because he could no longer hide his power in a somewhat human body?
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I would be inclined to believe it's more of the latter, as the corpse Emperor no longer cared about concealing what he truly was, apparently.
Though that's not to say some of the former isn't true, as well.
I would be inclined to believe it's more of the latter, as the corpse Emperor no longer cared about concealing what he truly was, apparently.
Though that's not to say some of the former isn't true, as well.
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Would Void Manip which can affect a nonexistent being down to conceptual level can do anything to him?
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Here's their dialogue:
Close now, he saw the strain upon his father's face, and realised what it had cost to hold the way open for him and his sons, though they had been unable to take it and had instead come via a different road, one that led to the earth itself.
And at last, with the talisman of seven hammers in his hand and the Throne within his reach, did Vulkan see.
And the horror of it, what his father had used him to create, the entire purpose for his resurrection, came crashing in.
He shut his eyes, the light burning, and when he opened them again he was no longer on Terra.
He had returned to Nocturne.
A man faced him, slighter of frame and wearing a strange garb that put Vulkan in mind of a Grekan Myrmidone of Old Earth. A long tan cloak swept across his right shoulder, pinned at his breast with a circular bronze stud. Around his waist was a thick belt of pteruges, and he wore a gold breastplate sculpted to resemble a man's naked musculature. He had no helm, instead preferring a silver circlet.
His dark hair flowed like a mane of jet. Torcs ringed his arms and he wore vambraces and shin guards in the same style as his breastplate.
Vulkan frowned. 'Why have you done this, father? I have fashioned something… abominable.'
The Outlander's gaze flicked to the talisman around His son's neck and then back to Vulkan.
'Do you recall what I said to you, as we sat here and looked out upon these very sands?'
The great expanse of the Pyre Desert stretched out before them, harsh and unforgiving but beautiful in its way.
Vulkan did not answer, and he did not meet his father's eye. Heat haze made the desert tremble, even with the sun setting and painting the sand a fiery red.
'I said your destiny was a great one,' the Outlander went on. 'And I said―'
'That you needed me more than I knew, more than perhaps I would ever know.'
Vulkan shook his head, a grimace of denial set upon his face. 'But this... How can I do this?'
'You are the earth, my son, its fire and solidity, that is how.'
'And the great flame that it will unleash if the Throne fails, if you fail?'
Vulkan felt a firm hand upon his shoulder and heard the darkening of his father's mood in His words.
'It will consume the Palace and all of Terra. The Throneworld will burn.'
A sharp turn brought Vulkan eye to eye with the Outlander. Incredulity warred with duty on his face.
'To deny it to my brother?'
'No, my son,' said the Emperor sadly, the Master of Mankind standing before him now. 'Not to deny it to Horus but to Chaos, and to strike a blow against their forces the like of which they will never recover from.'
'To win the war you would sacrifice Terra?'
'If Terra falls and Horus takes it then we have lost anyway, and all of mankind will suffer.'
Vulkan looked down at the talisman in his hand and fought the urge to crush it, though he knew it would not yield to even his strength.
'I am sorry, my son,' said the Emperor. 'I needed to hide it from you, what you had created and what would be wrought by it in my name.'
'Has this… Has it always been within me, the capacity to fashion such a thing?'
'Tell me, my son, why did you destroy your great works and send the others where no one might ever find them?'
'I feared they would be put to ill use, and what they could unleash.'
'Which is why it had to be you. It has ever been within you, Vulkan, and I hoped such a day would not come to pass that I had need of it… I hoped for a great many things,' He said sadly. 'Your death, your true death and resurrection, brought forth what you needed to fashion the talisman. All of your pain, the suffering of your Legion, it has led us to this point.'
Vulkan met his father's gaze, defiant.
'And if I refuse?'
'You will not refuse, for you still believe in hope that I will prevail, that Horus will be stopped and the war will end. But you are also pragmatic, and know that this must be done in case hope fails us in the end.'
And as before the light grew around the Emperor, radiating from His skin and Vulkan shut his eyes lest he was struck blind.
Close now, he saw the strain upon his father's face, and realised what it had cost to hold the way open for him and his sons, though they had been unable to take it and had instead come via a different road, one that led to the earth itself.
And at last, with the talisman of seven hammers in his hand and the Throne within his reach, did Vulkan see.
And the horror of it, what his father had used him to create, the entire purpose for his resurrection, came crashing in.
He shut his eyes, the light burning, and when he opened them again he was no longer on Terra.
He had returned to Nocturne.
A man faced him, slighter of frame and wearing a strange garb that put Vulkan in mind of a Grekan Myrmidone of Old Earth. A long tan cloak swept across his right shoulder, pinned at his breast with a circular bronze stud. Around his waist was a thick belt of pteruges, and he wore a gold breastplate sculpted to resemble a man's naked musculature. He had no helm, instead preferring a silver circlet.
His dark hair flowed like a mane of jet. Torcs ringed his arms and he wore vambraces and shin guards in the same style as his breastplate.
Vulkan frowned. 'Why have you done this, father? I have fashioned something… abominable.'
The Outlander's gaze flicked to the talisman around His son's neck and then back to Vulkan.
'Do you recall what I said to you, as we sat here and looked out upon these very sands?'
The great expanse of the Pyre Desert stretched out before them, harsh and unforgiving but beautiful in its way.
Vulkan did not answer, and he did not meet his father's eye. Heat haze made the desert tremble, even with the sun setting and painting the sand a fiery red.
'I said your destiny was a great one,' the Outlander went on. 'And I said―'
'That you needed me more than I knew, more than perhaps I would ever know.'
Vulkan shook his head, a grimace of denial set upon his face. 'But this... How can I do this?'
'You are the earth, my son, its fire and solidity, that is how.'
'And the great flame that it will unleash if the Throne fails, if you fail?'
Vulkan felt a firm hand upon his shoulder and heard the darkening of his father's mood in His words.
'It will consume the Palace and all of Terra. The Throneworld will burn.'
A sharp turn brought Vulkan eye to eye with the Outlander. Incredulity warred with duty on his face.
'To deny it to my brother?'
'No, my son,' said the Emperor sadly, the Master of Mankind standing before him now. 'Not to deny it to Horus but to Chaos, and to strike a blow against their forces the like of which they will never recover from.'
'To win the war you would sacrifice Terra?'
'If Terra falls and Horus takes it then we have lost anyway, and all of mankind will suffer.'
Vulkan looked down at the talisman in his hand and fought the urge to crush it, though he knew it would not yield to even his strength.
'I am sorry, my son,' said the Emperor. 'I needed to hide it from you, what you had created and what would be wrought by it in my name.'
'Has this… Has it always been within me, the capacity to fashion such a thing?'
'Tell me, my son, why did you destroy your great works and send the others where no one might ever find them?'
'I feared they would be put to ill use, and what they could unleash.'
'Which is why it had to be you. It has ever been within you, Vulkan, and I hoped such a day would not come to pass that I had need of it… I hoped for a great many things,' He said sadly. 'Your death, your true death and resurrection, brought forth what you needed to fashion the talisman. All of your pain, the suffering of your Legion, it has led us to this point.'
Vulkan met his father's gaze, defiant.
'And if I refuse?'
'You will not refuse, for you still believe in hope that I will prevail, that Horus will be stopped and the war will end. But you are also pragmatic, and know that this must be done in case hope fails us in the end.'
And as before the light grew around the Emperor, radiating from His skin and Vulkan shut his eyes lest he was struck blind.
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@Homu I dunno.
Maybe?
Though he did have Vulkan forge a hammer that killed a being who didn't even actually exist in a traditional sense and whose true essence was conceptual and directly tied to High 1-B entities, so it's not something he's unfamiliar with, either.
Maybe?
Though he did have Vulkan forge a hammer that killed a being who didn't even actually exist in a traditional sense and whose true essence was conceptual and directly tied to High 1-B entities, so it's not something he's unfamiliar with, either.
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Yes, he maintained it while alive as well, with way less effort.
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Galactic range with Psychic stuff?
Neat.
Neat.
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IIRC he communicated across the galaxy with Malcador as well, so the precedent is there.Holyhotsauce said:
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Yes he does.
Also, Azzy, check our convo on your wall. There is a feat I have to show you.
Also, Azzy, check our convo on your wall. There is a feat I have to show you.
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I see. Thanks, now wait for those three.
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So E-Money only has to think really hard in Krispy Grapefruits general direction and she dies?
Seems pretty decisive, if not a stomp.
Seems pretty decisive, if not a stomp.
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He can do it by either thinking really hard, or by swinging his sword hard enough.
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Yeah, but I don't think GEoM has a feat of straight up 001-Clefing someone from across the Galaxy.Matthew Schroeder said:
Unless he does and I haven't heard about it.
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He doesn't, but I assume that in this fight he doesn't have to focus much on his power on covering 70,000 light -years┬▓ with his psychic power
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I guess GEoM wins via thinking at UKG.Matthew Schroeder said:
Can UKG actually do anything to stop GEoM from using precog and then lolerasing?
As discussed above, UKG could probably also see this coming, but can she actually do anything about it?
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I mean, UKG still has some potent passive abilities (Aura and curses and probably some more) that might help her here.
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What does Aura do. Emperor also has aura.
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How long does it take UKG to reach 2-A, from this point?
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@Matt It is similar to Ghost Rider Penance stare, only it's aura in this case. it would probably fall under Holy Manipulation based durability negation.
@Azzy We don't have the exact timeframe(yet). But the fact Goddess Madoka had to conceptually erase UKG as soon as it manifested implies that the process was fast.
@Azzy We don't have the exact timeframe(yet). But the fact Goddess Madoka had to conceptually erase UKG as soon as it manifested implies that the process was fast.
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It depends on GEoM resistance to it. Mind filling us Matt or Azzy?
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Pretty sure he was memeing.
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Yeah I noticed. But I am also curious if the Emprah has resistance to curse manip or how potent is his resistance to it.
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