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Yes. He is the God of Magic after all.Thatoneguy78 said:
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Kriemhild Gretchen vs The Emperor of Mankind
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The thing is, you are literally trying to defeat a High 1-B Holy by being Holier-than-thou.SomebodyData said:
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No, its not. It isn't based on Gretchen being holier, its literally just based on the inflicted's sins. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Yeah UKG Holy Manipulation seems only to use the sin the person has rather than if the person is holier than she is
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A lot of the Emperor's resistances should be clarified.
Same with the gods' powers, who can do everything that their servants and daemons can (though I'll tell you right now there's no way in hell we're going to specifically clarify every power in Warhammer as a whole under Khorne's resistances, or something).
All of which the Emperor technically has some level of resistance to on a ridiculously higher scale that UKG can put out. Holy Manipulation is probably the one thing so far you could argue him not resisting to some degree due to specifics, and even then that's ignoring psykers' inherent power null/blocking abilities.
I can assure you this isn't "who shoots first". It's "can UKG survive long enough without getting erased and thus turn the results of the battle around".
Same with the gods' powers, who can do everything that their servants and daemons can (though I'll tell you right now there's no way in hell we're going to specifically clarify every power in Warhammer as a whole under Khorne's resistances, or something).
All of which the Emperor technically has some level of resistance to on a ridiculously higher scale that UKG can put out. Holy Manipulation is probably the one thing so far you could argue him not resisting to some degree due to specifics, and even then that's ignoring psykers' inherent power null/blocking abilities.
I can assure you this isn't "who shoots first". It's "can UKG survive long enough without getting erased and thus turn the results of the battle around".
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The Emperor rips his blade up.
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@azathoth so does Tzeentch have Curse Manipulation or not?
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He does. Tzeentch's magic is what makes the use of spells in WH40K dangerous. They are cursed to be unpredictable the more powerful they are.
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@Kepekley well at least we have an answer to that perdicmnet.
Now that we have a lot more info on the GEOM resistances I really don't see how UKG can actually win this fight like at all. Most of her potent abilities are instantly blocked out because of the GEOM insane resistances, and while this factor isn't really important in this fight has also the durability and AP disadvantage in the beginning (though as I said this was really a none factor to begin with), UKG regen is also screwed because of the GEOM insane EE as well and the fact that he can resist UKG EE with no problem at all.
The only thing that would for sure hurt him is UKG holy Manipulation, and law Manipulation and that's about it really.
Now that we have a lot more info on the GEOM resistances I really don't see how UKG can actually win this fight like at all. Most of her potent abilities are instantly blocked out because of the GEOM insane resistances, and while this factor isn't really important in this fight has also the durability and AP disadvantage in the beginning (though as I said this was really a none factor to begin with), UKG regen is also screwed because of the GEOM insane EE as well and the fact that he can resist UKG EE with no problem at all.
The only thing that would for sure hurt him is UKG holy Manipulation, and law Manipulation and that's about it really.
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To add onto what Kep said, a lot of non-Tzeentchian psykers use curses, as well. Nurgle uses curses too, surprisingly.
Also, as I mentioned before, a lot of this depends on just how fast UKG grows in power, though I have no proper timeframe for this, right now.
To add onto what Kep said, a lot of non-Tzeentchian psykers use curses, as well. Nurgle uses curses too, surprisingly.
Also, as I mentioned before, a lot of this depends on just how fast UKG grows in power, though I have no proper timeframe for this, right now.
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Holy manip and Law manip aren't her only shot here. Stuff like Transmutation should works on him, at least that is what I can gather from that Emprah vs Galactus thread unless of course he resist that as well.
She still has things like Concept manip (maybe), BFR to either the plane of existence of the Law of Cycle (which is on higher dimension) or to hell itself.
She still has things like Concept manip (maybe), BFR to either the plane of existence of the Law of Cycle (which is on higher dimension) or to hell itself.
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Transmutation as in changing his body into something else?
Whether via general Reality Warping or Matter Manipulation, lesser psykers can do and resist that, as well.
Whether via general Reality Warping or Matter Manipulation, lesser psykers can do and resist that, as well.
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At this point I think the match has turned into a "what resistance doen't The emperor have"
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Yes
is this referring to transmutation?
Yes
is this referring to transmutation?
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Transmutation is something mid-level psykers scoff at, at best. Foes such as Crypteks can even transmutate in a molecular level with technology alone; and Psykers should be able to resist that.
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I see.
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All the ones that matter are against the powers used by Chaos.Thatoneguy78 said:
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In fact, Psykers should be able to replicate a Cryptek's Transmutation. WH40K lore supports that they are one in the same in regards to power and abilities, with the difference being the method they use to achieve them; in the case of psykers, they draw from the Warp. A Cryptek draws from their extremely advanced understanding of the laws of the world and tech.
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Yeah, Transmut is out of table now.
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Why Warhammer 40k?
why r u so OP??
why r u so OP??
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Because it's fun to be opHolyhotsauce said:
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I wonder if this would ever get concluded at all.
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Depends on if it's considered fair or not.
If UKG's abilities and growing to 2-A are deemed useful and fast enough, then the Emperor probably just wins without it being a complete stomp.
If UKG's abilities and growing to 2-A are deemed useful and fast enough, then the Emperor probably just wins without it being a complete stomp.
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Worth pointing out that Sanguinius had his body converted into raw energy and survived when he was fighting Madail.
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Pretty sure passive Holy manip is more than fast enough. And she also has several thought based abilities too.
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Then I guess my vote can be counted as something along the lines of "The Emperor wins via high-end resistances sustaining him long enough to utilize his vastly higher-scale existence erasure".
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Vote counted for now.
I hopr we don't get the FRA reply when I wake up.
I hopr we don't get the FRA reply when I wake up.
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Incap seems like an incredibly bad decision in comparison to trying to fully get rid of UKG.
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Incap won't stopping passive abilities anyway.
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The emperor's new groove should take this for the reasons stated above.
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Better get some sleep now I'm tired.
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@Homu you don't f%ck with the emperor's groove. I learned that the hard way.
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Coming up next, Tzeencth invades and makes E V E R Y O N E a magical girl!Monarch Laciel said:
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I think that the Gold obssessed skeleton wins this FRA
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I vote for The God (-like entity who's not really a god) Emperor for the same reasons as Azzy
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