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Matt really despises Dante
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Kriemhild Gretchen vs Satan (SMT)
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Although I do look forward to measuring up Digimon and SMT scaling seeing as they are the 2-A powerhouses. Although I know for a fact that SMT has a decent AP advantage. But Digimon is very close.
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Either way, Gretchen gets Stomped.
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I am planning on discussing this once the SMT Revision Thread gets made, but i think there were some instances where Demons are show to resist hax from others
Such as when the Moirae Sisters said they will destroy the Demi-Fiend's fate, yet they were punched to oblivion by him
Or when Kagutsuchi tried to wipe Demi-Fiend out of existence, yet got punched shortly afterwards. This also happens when Kagutsuchi's death makes the Multiverse explode and erases all of existence, yet stronger Demons were fine and didn't really need to regenerate
Anyways, what these two can do to each other?
If i recall correctly, Gretchen regenerates from Nonexistence Erasure on conceptual level, which... is basically what Satan does
Meanwhile Satan will simply return to The Axiom upon his death and reform from it
Such as when the Moirae Sisters said they will destroy the Demi-Fiend's fate, yet they were punched to oblivion by him
Or when Kagutsuchi tried to wipe Demi-Fiend out of existence, yet got punched shortly afterwards. This also happens when Kagutsuchi's death makes the Multiverse explode and erases all of existence, yet stronger Demons were fine and didn't really need to regenerate
Anyways, what these two can do to each other?
If i recall correctly, Gretchen regenerates from Nonexistence Erasure on conceptual level, which... is basically what Satan does
Meanwhile Satan will simply return to The Axiom upon his death and reform from it
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This might be a bit stupid question, but is Resistance Negation exclusive for YHVH?
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We've derailed this thread to hell. lol
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Not really, the whole point of Almighty Attacks is that they bypass all resistances
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Oh, I completely forgot about an infamous "lol Almighty".
In this case I vote Satan for reasons above.
In this case I vote Satan for reasons above.
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Alright *grabs the passives' list
These are all of UKG's passives as of now: Poison Manipulation, Holy manipulation (destroys you based on your sins, with an absurd level of morality), Fate Manipulation (prevents her from dying, possibly works on 4-D scale acausals), Invisibility, intangibility, non corporeality, limited luck manipulation (she has good luck granted from a mg who wished to win the lottery to save her grandfather's restaurant), constant growth (up to te size of at least two infinite multiverses, with all her abilities upscaled to her level), curse manipulation (fills you with despair, possessing and altering mind, body and soul, turning you into the Avatar of Calamity), power Nullification (Eye-Based, works on beings resistant to power null), absorption, wealth production (yes, because why not?) unaffected by any physical phenomena including time, death mainpulation, magic absorption, possibly others
Precog via knowing all past, present and future possibilities of the entire multiverse
As for tought based, she has law manip, the same erasure she regenerated from, erasure of the evil intent which erases the personality as a side effect, basically the power of every magical girl and witch in the series excluding Homura and a resistance to all of them, and everything is upscaled to 2-A
These are all of UKG's passives as of now: Poison Manipulation, Holy manipulation (destroys you based on your sins, with an absurd level of morality), Fate Manipulation (prevents her from dying, possibly works on 4-D scale acausals), Invisibility, intangibility, non corporeality, limited luck manipulation (she has good luck granted from a mg who wished to win the lottery to save her grandfather's restaurant), constant growth (up to te size of at least two infinite multiverses, with all her abilities upscaled to her level), curse manipulation (fills you with despair, possessing and altering mind, body and soul, turning you into the Avatar of Calamity), power Nullification (Eye-Based, works on beings resistant to power null), absorption, wealth production (yes, because why not?) unaffected by any physical phenomena including time, death mainpulation, magic absorption, possibly others
Precog via knowing all past, present and future possibilities of the entire multiverse
As for tought based, she has law manip, the same erasure she regenerated from, erasure of the evil intent which erases the personality as a side effect, basically the power of every magical girl and witch in the series excluding Homura and a resistance to all of them, and everything is upscaled to 2-A
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Dragonmasterxyz said:
Crystal= Gretchen Lucemon= Sata
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>Implying Almighty Attacks can do shit to Gretchen's RegenerationnRebubleUselet said:
Et tu, Rebuble?
;_;
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I doubt most of the UKG's stuff is going to be helpful, because from what I've heard, SMT characters simply shrug off everything that comes from those who are weaker than them.
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@Ultima
I don't see a reason for Satan being unable to get around Mid-Godly, be it conceptual or not. But honestly I feel like I'm horribly wrong, so I think I'll stop here.
I don't see a reason for Satan being unable to get around Mid-Godly, be it conceptual or not. But honestly I feel like I'm horribly wrong, so I think I'll stop here.
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@DMB 1
I don't really know, since my knowledge about SMT is next to zero.
I don't really know, since my knowledge about SMT is next to zero.
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So I've been getting mixed messages on this.
We have a 2-A Gretchen fight.
We bring up issue with her haxes.
We bring up SMT or Re Digitize Lucemon/Infinitely above baseline 2-A
We hear "Oh, but they kill her without a second thought"
We get to this fight
We bring up being Infinitely above baseline 2-A
Suddenly hax is being discussed.
Which is it?
We have a 2-A Gretchen fight.
We bring up issue with her haxes.
We bring up SMT or Re Digitize Lucemon/Infinitely above baseline 2-A
We hear "Oh, but they kill her without a second thought"
We get to this fight
We bring up being Infinitely above baseline 2-A
Suddenly hax is being discussed.
Which is it?
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Oh yeah, I forgot the thing I was looking at literally minutes ago againu.
Can I get a pat on the head so I don't feel stupid? ;-;
Can I get a pat on the head so I don't feel stupid? ;-;
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@Dragon
Tbf I have the same issue. Until this point people were not even bothering about people's hax when it was coming to SMT, but for some reason it matters now
I'm lost
And thanks for the pat Kalt. You're a really good friendo
Tbf I have the same issue. Until this point people were not even bothering about people's hax when it was coming to SMT, but for some reason it matters now
And thanks for the pat Kalt. You're a really good friendo
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Satan takes this for the reasons stated above.
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That's a bit too soon, my dude.Theglassman12 said:
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@Rebuble well too bad. Deal with it. OvO
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@Kal I'm just repeating what I hear from Matt and Dragon
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How does this change now. Like once again I ask, what's stopping these passive haxes from affecting YHVH or Re
igitize Lucemon or Ygg?
igitize Lucemon or Ygg?
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@Dragon ask Matt for the YHVH. He is the one that made him the most powerful 2-A
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I don't care about YHVH being the strongest 2-A or not. I don't care enough to argue. He can be the strongest 2-A for all eternity for all I care. I just don't feel like dealing with him. I've long forced myself into "accepting" YHVH being the strongest 2-A.
@Kalt
But was it not a point in Ygg vs Gretchen that said passive stuff would be useful as it would affect the opponent each time they regened, ergo making Gretchen the winner via incap?
@Kalt
But was it not a point in Ygg vs Gretchen that said passive stuff would be useful as it would affect the opponent each time they regened, ergo making Gretchen the winner via incap?
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Damn those Coffees.........
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You can tell that it was really good ovo
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Someone hasn't played Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth. Ignorance is bliss. ovoRebubleUselet said:
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Satan Slaps.
Hell, even Kagu slaps at this point.
Hell, even Kagu slaps at this point.
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