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Kingdom Hearts: Re:Minder of the Concepts
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You should ask Sera EX to comment here about that. There might be other staff members listed in the Kingdom Hearts verse page as well.Nehz XZX said:
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By the way, no one posted scans for Kingdom Hearts being abstract in nature. Can someone post them please?
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This link from the OP might be sufficient: https://imgur.com/a/uajMYOt.
There is also this link from the OP: https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS. Look at the first question of part 1.
There is also this link from the OP: https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS. Look at the first question of part 1.
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I mean, that just proves that it's non-corporeal due to being made of hearts. Not that its existence is abstract. Isn't there something else?
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Kingdom Hearts is formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds: https://www.khwiki.com/Xehanort's_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_III.
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"The darkness of the heart, made flesh. Cursed shadows who not only lack hearts, but multiply by seizing hearts from any and all living things.Where have they come from, and where are they going?" -Secret Ansem Report 4
Heartless "One without a heart is darkness born from the recurring darkness. The embodiment of the darkness in one's heart which appears when a person's heart is lost to darkness. They have no knowledge or will, they simply run on dark instinct and go after the Hearts of Worlds as well as try to steal hearts from those with them in order to become greater in numbers. There are various kinds of Heartless, but they are generally categorized in two main types; those who appear naturally are known as "Pure Blood", and approximately 10 years before KH1, during an experiment Xehanort (Seeker of Darkness Ansem) birthed the "Emblem" Heartless. Heartless began appearing in greater numbers in the Realm of Light due to Ansem's interference, and when he was defeated in KH1 it helped keep the numbers down, however as long as darkness exists within people's hearts, there will always be Heartless." -Memorial Ultimania
Pureblood aren't just corrupt hearts, they're entirely darkness. Their hearts become became a part of the darkness due to the darkness they had in their hearts, meaning that they are abstract entities (Type 2) if we accept that Darkness is an abstract thing in KH
Heartless "One without a heart is darkness born from the recurring darkness. The embodiment of the darkness in one's heart which appears when a person's heart is lost to darkness. They have no knowledge or will, they simply run on dark instinct and go after the Hearts of Worlds as well as try to steal hearts from those with them in order to become greater in numbers. There are various kinds of Heartless, but they are generally categorized in two main types; those who appear naturally are known as "Pure Blood", and approximately 10 years before KH1, during an experiment Xehanort (Seeker of Darkness Ansem) birthed the "Emblem" Heartless. Heartless began appearing in greater numbers in the Realm of Light due to Ansem's interference, and when he was defeated in KH1 it helped keep the numbers down, however as long as darkness exists within people's hearts, there will always be Heartless." -Memorial Ultimania
Pureblood aren't just corrupt hearts, they're entirely darkness. Their hearts become became a part of the darkness due to the darkness they had in their hearts, meaning that they are abstract entities (Type 2) if we accept that Darkness is an abstract thing in KH
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Heartless should be at least type 3 abstract, tho i agree with them beeing type 2 abstract
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Oh, i thought there was a type 3, my bad
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"Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it." - Abstract Existence
As it seems we do accept Darkness as an abstract thing in KH, yeah, it's pretty solid.
As it seems we do accept Darkness as an abstract thing in KH, yeah, it's pretty solid.
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Not replying past this comment, but DDD states that Pureblood Heartless are the very darkness that have been in the world since its inceptio.
On another note, Nobodies are statement to be the very emobidment of emptinessdue to being denied the right to exist by both light and darkness as a whole. This should be NEP Type 2 due to light and darkness being the most fundemental parts of existence.
On another note, Nobodies are statement to be the very emobidment of emptinessdue to being denied the right to exist by both light and darkness as a whole. This should be NEP Type 2 due to light and darkness being the most fundemental parts of existence.
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I still do not see how they embody the entire concept rather than simply draw power from and being composed of it. They are not similar to, for example, Mother Night (Vertigo) or Nocturnal.
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Guess I'll continue replying, meh. Pureblood eartless are consistently stated to embody darkness, fact that DDD and KH3 state that they're the darkness since the world's inception makes that clear. The examples you listed are of type 1 AEs, not type 2.
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They are made of darkness, not the conceptual embodiments of all of it, which I think is intended as required for abstract existence. What you describe is more akin to simply being Non-Corporeal.
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Fine, but what about Nobodies having Type 2 NEP?
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I am not sure about Nonexistent Physiology. Further input from experienced members would be appreciated.
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I thought being pure darkness was NEP Type 1?
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It is not without any form of valid Statements.PlozAlcachaz said:
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Explain why it's context dependent please, I'm just curious.
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Like I said before, you need more Discussion Moderators and/or Administrators' inputs on agreements first.Nehz XZX said:
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You can ask a few of the following staff members to help out with giving input here if you wish:
Promestei, SomebodyData, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, Celestial Pegasus, Soldier Blue, Monarch Laciel, Saikou The Lewd King, DarkDragonMedeus, AKM sama, Wokista, Ultima Reality, Mr. Bambu, Gemmysaur, Theglassman12, Qawsedf234, Crabwhale, The Calaca, ByAsura, GyroNutz, ShiroyashaGinSa, DarkGrath, The Wright Way, Ricsi-viragosi, Ogbunabali, Moritzva
Promestei, SomebodyData, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, Celestial Pegasus, Soldier Blue, Monarch Laciel, Saikou The Lewd King, DarkDragonMedeus, AKM sama, Wokista, Ultima Reality, Mr. Bambu, Gemmysaur, Theglassman12, Qawsedf234, Crabwhale, The Calaca, ByAsura, GyroNutz, ShiroyashaGinSa, DarkGrath, The Wright Way, Ricsi-viragosi, Ogbunabali, Moritzva
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Abstract Existence for Kingdom Hearts (World)
Kingdom Hearts is the collective heart of the World: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538624028831907850/623252344779309071/unknown.png.
Kingdom Hearts is formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds: https://www.khwiki.com/Xehanort's_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_III.
Every existence has a heart and the collection of all kinds of hearts results in Kingdom Hearts: https://imgur.com/a/uajMYOt.
"The heart of worlds was a great heart that gathered everything that formed those worlds: the natural things such as the trees in the forests, the oceans and rivers, the flowers and such. A Kingdom Hearts is considered to be an aggregation of the originally invisible "proofs of life" known as hearts.": https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS
Conceptual Manipulation for X-Blade and Keyblade
The X-Blade can be used to control Kingdom Hearts which is why Xehanort wanted it in the first place.
This video at 8:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMBFFH3aPw
The Guardians of Light were busy keeping Kingdom Hearts shut due to it being a bigger threat than Xehanort.
This video at 12:13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vozdC4HlFs.
Sora and the others close Kingdom Hearts after they defeated Xehanort.
Elizhaa suggested the possibility of the instance of the Guardians of Light affecting Kingdom Hearts being a case of Non-Physical Interaction but this isn't the case since they weren't affecting Kingdom Hearts in a physical manner.
TriforcePower1 wrote that Kingdom Hearts would have Incorporeality due to being made of hearts but he didn't give me an answer after I posted in response the link about Kingdom Hearts being formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds.
Is that enough for a summary or did I miss something?
Kingdom Hearts is the collective heart of the World: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538624028831907850/623252344779309071/unknown.png.
Kingdom Hearts is formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds: https://www.khwiki.com/Xehanort's_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_III.
Every existence has a heart and the collection of all kinds of hearts results in Kingdom Hearts: https://imgur.com/a/uajMYOt.
"The heart of worlds was a great heart that gathered everything that formed those worlds: the natural things such as the trees in the forests, the oceans and rivers, the flowers and such. A Kingdom Hearts is considered to be an aggregation of the originally invisible "proofs of life" known as hearts.": https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS
Conceptual Manipulation for X-Blade and Keyblade
The X-Blade can be used to control Kingdom Hearts which is why Xehanort wanted it in the first place.
This video at 8:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMBFFH3aPw
The Guardians of Light were busy keeping Kingdom Hearts shut due to it being a bigger threat than Xehanort.
This video at 12:13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vozdC4HlFs.
Sora and the others close Kingdom Hearts after they defeated Xehanort.
Elizhaa suggested the possibility of the instance of the Guardians of Light affecting Kingdom Hearts being a case of Non-Physical Interaction but this isn't the case since they weren't affecting Kingdom Hearts in a physical manner.
TriforcePower1 wrote that Kingdom Hearts would have Incorporeality due to being made of hearts but he didn't give me an answer after I posted in response the link about Kingdom Hearts being formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds.
Is that enough for a summary or did I miss something?
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