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Not exactly. This is not about hearts but Kingdom Hearts.Tony di bugalu said:So, concept manip got accepted?
Could you explain what is missing?DarkDragonMedeus said:I'm still not seeing how Abstract Existence is legitimate.
I wasn't arguing for hearts to be concepts and I already know the things you wrote there. These were arguments in favor for Kingdom Hearts having Abstract Existence.Antvasima said:Again, they do not embody entire concepts on an all-encompassing or at least universal scale. They do not qualify.
Same.DarkDragonMedeus said:I'm still not seeing how Abstract Existence is legitimate.
It is dependent on evidence; we never gave Nonexistent Physiology to a characters just because they are made of some form of darkness.PlozAlcachaz said:Explain why it's context dependent please, I'm just curious.
I will say I feel the same.Matthew Schroeder said:Same.DarkDragonMedeus said:I'm still not seeing how Abstract Existence is legitimate.
Nehz XZX said:Abstract Existence for Kingdom Hearts (World)
Kingdom Hearts is the collective heart of the World: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538624028831907850/623252344779309071/unknown.png.
Kingdom Hearts is formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds: https://www.khwiki.com/Xehanort's_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_III.
Every existence has a heart and the collection of all kinds of hearts results in Kingdom Hearts: https://imgur.com/a/uajMYOt.
"The heart of worlds was a great heart that gathered everything that formed those worlds: the natural things such as the trees in the forests, the oceans and rivers, the flowers and such. A Kingdom Hearts is considered to be an aggregation of the originally invisible "proofs of life" known as hearts.": https://www.khwiki.com/Director's_Secret_Report_XIII#Part_1_-_ABOUT_THE_WORLD_OF_KINGDOM_HEARTS
Conceptual Manipulation for X-Blade and Keyblade
The X-Blade can be used to control Kingdom Hearts which is why Xehanort wanted it in the first place.
This video at 8:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMBFFH3aPw
The Guardians of Light were busy keeping Kingdom Hearts shut due to it being a bigger threat than Xehanort.
This video at 12:13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vozdC4HlFs.
Sora and the others close Kingdom Hearts after they defeated Xehanort.
Elizhaa suggested the possibility of the instance of the Guardians of Light affecting Kingdom Hearts being a case of Non-Physical Interaction but this isn't the case since they weren't affecting Kingdom Hearts in a physical manner.
TriforcePower1 wrote that Kingdom Hearts would have Incorporeality due to being made of hearts but he didn't give me an answer after I posted in response the link about Kingdom Hearts being formed by gathering the hearts of all worlds.
Is that enough for a summary or did I miss something?
The only reason hearts aren't accepted as concepts is that they aren't universal in scale. Kingdom Hearts is made up of hearts and is quite undoubtedly universal in scale and beyond. You would need another reason for Kingdom Hearts not to qualify.DarkDragonMedeus said:That's still not enough. There are plenty of verses that mentioning some "Substance" as defining the existence of every character, but that doesn't make stuff like Ether or Psynergy abstract concepts. And Elizhaa said it as well, that those are not qualifying concepts.