As it can be seen in the OP already, the Power of Waking (a kind of technique of sorts only certain characters in the series get) has a potential use to defy a foretold destiny.
The Master of Masters passed down a Keyblade for generations, and could see the future with it, then could foresee the defeat of light and the prevailness of darkness at the end, and such stuff was recorded in the Book of Prophecies, however, it isn't manipulating fate or anything like that, as it's just a normal book for these purposes beyond that
Even with all of that, Sora could still defy it anyways with the Power of Waking, which in turn specifically created two contradictory histories in the same timeline
With the recap done, let's go over Glassman's post
Glass, you're still entirely ignoring the whole image on the thing I've been pointing out,
why is he considered an Irregular? It's because of his nature to defy fate and overwrite predestined outcomes with just his nature, as mentioned in the
OP of the accepted CRT that got that added multiple times.
The fact you said it's "irrelevant" already proves that you are just choosing to ignore because your
only argument as to why he was different from Sora was because he's called an "irregular" and not cause of his actual nature, which is no different from the Power of Waking as already highlighted before.
This is why I asked you
to define "standard causality" because in order to claim Sora doesn't fit, you'd need to actually explain what is "standard causality" by the standards of the wiki.
Since you are ignoring this, I'll do it for you. People who are apart of "standard causality" are individuals who are bound by fate/cause and are unable to overturn it naturally. I already proven this to be the case with
various profiles and even threads where it's generally considered such. Once again, define "standard causality", prove my definition of it is wrong and prove that Sora would be bound to it. That's it, otherwise your argument doesn't hold any weight whatsoever and is a double standard at best per reasons outlined previously
It's not wrong, it's just that your standards for Acausality Type 4 and what this wiki defines as "standard causality" are different at this point. The site clearly considers beings bound to "standard causality" as just individuals who are bound to fate and or causality, with no way to overturn it or defy it.
For the third time, if you want your arguments to hold any weight whatsoever, bother defining what "standard causality" is by the standards of the wiki (With proof,
not claims effectively made up by you, again) and then prove that is the case, otherwise I've already proven that and explained why Sora is outside of it.
This has already been explained to you even in this post based on consensus on several other pages on the site yet you are ignoring arguments and repeating points. As said before, the Power of Waking overturns fate and predestination, allowing those tied to it to change events set on stone in the timeline, creating two contrary outcomes in a single timeline. This is Acausality as it's not something one who operates on standard cause and effect could do with just their nature alone.
Ahh, so thanks for showing us that you read
nothing that I said about this. The wiki doesn't care if something is an ability, power source or not, a character can achieve a state of being that's not inherent to them and still get the stuff that one would get through said nature. This is exactly why
I used Goku Black as an example, because he isn't inherently Acausal, but he can be through an item, showing that states of being or things similar
can be potentially gained.
In fact, this doesn't even extend to just that. By your logic it's not Abstract Existence if a character uses an ability to become a concept or if someone isn't inherently such without any modifications. This clearly is not to the site's standards as we have many characters who have stuff despite not having an inherent state of being:
• N.E.O from Digimon has Abstract Existence, Nonexistence Physiology and a wide array of things from absorbing Barbamon
(those two being states of being)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/N.E.O_(Digimon_NEXT)
• Oh and how about the multitude of Saint Seiya characters who are considered Acausal because of Athena's Ichor, which is a literally a power source that gives them an acausal nature
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix_Ikki
https://saintseiya.fandom.com/wiki/Ichor
I can go on and on here, but the bottom line is everything you said is straight up not supported by the site's standards and as such, your arguments are at best asking for a double standard. As I've said, you are free to change them but this is how things are, either prove your beliefs align with the standards or just concede that you're incorrect.
This post even bothers recapping about everything brought up about the thing in question and the blatant site's standards on the matter, so I'll politely request that other staff members also voice their thoughts on the matter.
