King of Fighters: Tier 4 stuff, Danmaku and Flight

[Bobsican]

Hans found these feats and i am just sharing them, aka, my friend at the past thread wants to continue, I´ll speak in her part via another site I can contact him with.

Tier 4 stuff
First up, SNK Heroines is 100% canon to the KOF verse. http://kofworld.com/anime/exclusive...ut-snk-heroines-kof-manga-and-anime-and-more/ And explains that Shermie and other previously dead characters are now alive again. Kukri created a pocket dimension that has a Sun. Which would result in a 4-C rating, based on what ive seen. After beating him,the statue that was merging the real world and his pocket dimension crumbles after he loses.

Danmaku and flying stuff
Also, i just came across this Touhou like game that is also canon to KOF (released on the Xbox 360)https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/KOF_Sky_Stage Chizuru gave Kula Diamond, Kyo Kusanagi, Terry, Mai and Iori the power to Fly. (Exept Athena cuz she could aparently fly with her psychic powers). And this would also give them all Danmaku.https://youtu.be/FTyUG1A1klE They also tank the destruction of the mirror world (Where the previously defeated Orochi clan fighter's mirror selves reside) before being transported back.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Tier 4 stuff was straight up debunked in an older thread and the game is implied to be a dream and not real.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also that friend of yours is Mik.

 

[Bobsican]

She isn´t, but that wouldn´t change anything regarding the CRT itself anyways.

As for the tier 4 stuff...

"First up, SNK Heroines is 100% canon to the KOF verse. http://kofworld.com/anime/exclusive...ut-snk-heroines-kof-manga-and-anime-and-more/ And explains that Shermie and other previously dead characters are now alive again."




"So, it just being a dream or never happening contradicts this."


"And 2. Multiple endings (like nakoruru's) do not show her waking up from any dream. And even in the endigns that show the heroine waking up from a dream, none of them are related to the events of the game and some do not even involve Kukri. (Terry's)"

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Most endings do show dreams. The obvious conclusion is that such a silly game that contradicts so much of character personalities and logic is not literally happening.

 

[Bobsican]

"3. Some of the intros state that they were brought into the pocket dimension in their sleep or that they were sleeping."

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That only supports my argument.

 

[Bobsican]

Some, not all of them, and I´m waiting for him to reply back, please wait

 

[Bobsican]

"Them waking up FROM a dream actually supports it being separate, not to mention there is no reasoning behind them collectively dreaming the same thing. The ending dreams are all unrelated to the events of the game." And there´s this.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I'd like to hear Matt's arguments, since i'm agreeing with him.

Danmaku and Flight sounds good tho.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'd just point to the older thread where I laid my arguments.

 

[Bobsican]

Please do, thanks.

 

[Dark649]

I agree with the abilities as i discussed with an other user about it, what i wanted to tell is that Athena initial feat was defeating enemies that covered the earth in darkness over time though it seems not ap based unless they caused a perpetual state of night, not sure about that cgi series since its canonicity might was not completely adressed and ends in a cliffhanger with Goenitz with Orochi.

Orochi Yamazaki feat is easily 7-A and Orochi implied that he was going to lifewipe the earth, which is a High 6-A feat.

 

[Bobsican]

Absorbing all the light of the world is High 6-A from what I remember.

Outside of that, Hans is occupated evaluating some other scans to share later, so it may take a while for her to address this.

 

[Bobsican]

"1.- The king of fighters: Destiny IS official (it is hosted on SNK's youtube channel) and its meant to tell the story of KOF '94, since most of the stuff does not contradict canon at all (Kyo still defeats Rugal at the end), i think it should be considered canon just like the ace attorney anime is considered for the games, it does not contradict or take out, it just adds further details we have been missing."

"2.-I agree with High 6-A Orochi since nothing really contradicts it, Kyo, Iori and Chizuru were able to beat the orochi team and still be physically well enough to fight Orochi just after, so their powers were considered comparable multiple times.)"

"3.-Dunno a lot about the Athena game only that she is 17 in Psycho Soldier while she is 18 in KOF '94. (so it might be needed to be noted on her profile) Her phoenix transformation, sword (that shoots lightning bolts that make the enemies explode) are still missing from her profile."

- Hans

 

[Bobsican]

Outside of the tier 4 stuff, Hans found something noteworthy:

""Nakoruru remembers Shermie, the only time this could have happened in Gal Fighters, whose winner can get ahold of a magic talisman.

2:51 Nakoruru wishes herself back home,

3:26 Shiki is interesting since she wakes up and wonders if it was a dream, but the talisman is still in her hand, which confirms that the game does indeed "happen in reality" and wished her(?) baby back, Shermie wishes for a big hamster cage, days later Yashiro says that she could have freed Orochi with said talisman, which is a High 7-A feat

4:35, Whip wishes her curse off, talisman says that it will take a couple of years.

6:37. Mai , Yuri, Yuki, Athena, Akari, and Leona wish nonsense So, the talisman has implied omnipotence, curse manipulation, time manipulation, probably probability stuff for Shiki and High 7-A for potentially being able to free Orochi."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKXzJFFG3cY&t=197s"

 

[Dark649]

Destiny doesn't seem to contraddict the canon, so its fine. Other users opinion would be needed.

 

[Bobsican]

Hans also found a good chunk of stuff to show the tier 4 stuff actually hapenning:

"SNK Heroines intro thing - "

"35:22, 38:22 Nakoruru calls the pocket dimension a "world", with the world "sekai" and not a dream or you could just hear "yume""

"1:13:57 Yuri threatens to blow up a way out of the pocket dimension and Kukri says no attack will do any good."

"1:14:47 (Important!) Mask girl actually explains that Kukri found the power in egypt power to create pocket dimensions so, it indeed implies its powers have an origin and did not appear out of nowhere. and these memories are from BEFORE being trapped in the pocket dimension."

"13:31 Kula remembers waking up from her dream since she was in bed."

And at 11:00, we can see Kukri stating that he turned Terry into a girl for lewd purposes, so he can also have Biological Manipulation

Video: https://youtu.be/ZUwYjfKsX08

 

[Dark649]

Kukri was planning to merge his pocket dimension with the real world via his statue after he gathering enough emotions from the fighters. The process failed at the end, but that does not stop him from appearing the next KoF title.

 

[Bobsican]

And that leads to...? (Me)

And... (Regarding your reply, Dark649):

"I mean, he is not really saying (Dark649) anything related to the approval itself"

"Just that Kukri is most likely not dead and will be on KOF 15."

"I mean, that is just another safeline, id say. If Kukri references Snk Heroines in KOF 15 (which is almost guaranteed) then it is an instant approval." - Hans

 

[Dark649]

Yes.

 

[Bobsican]

I guess the tier 4 stuff is fine in that case?

The Danmaku and Flight seem to be already accepted, and the biological manip appear to pend thoughts on.

 

[Dark649]

The yes i referred was about Kukri referring stuff, the tier 4 ratings needs imput from other users.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, very well.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Tier 4 stuff is not fine.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's also a huge outlier.

 

[Bobsican]

"As shown in the timestamps above, Kukri's new power has a clear cut origin and power. (The realm has its own sun based on the changes between day and night in various stages) and the statue was going to merge the pocker dimension with the realm world. It scaling to the girls or not is yet to be seen, but as shown in the feats above, the characters do increase in power between sagas.

Athena is clearly the strongest of them all based on KOF destiny (pushing away Rugal on her own before Kyo finished him off and thus, comparable to three sacred treasures) and Psycho Soldier enemies putting the world into darkness.

Kula scales to K since she wss made to kill him, and K has near perfect copies of Kyo's fire and has fought Kyo before.

Which would scale them both to high 6-A.

And just after the nests saga, they survive the explosion of the mirror world Kaguya controls in Sky Stage. which contains a sun based on the illumination of the stages. So 4-C for holy trasures and Sky Stage characters is not that much of a stretch to me at all." - Hans

 

[Bobsican]

""In KOF Sky Stage, a game that takes place after the Orochi Saga, there is another tier 4 feat, the game takes place in the Mirror World that Yata (Kagura's power) created that is starting to steal energy from the living beings on the regular world tl once againt try to revive Orochi and go back into the real world to kill all of humanity.

https://youtu.be/btvgEC1aRUo

At 11:18 Mirror Shermie states that they will scape the seal world, which confirms it is a separate realm.

https://youtu.be/sxcUFN2AC-w

28:30 after defeating Mirror Orochi, the entire realm starts to crumble away because it was being held in place by said Mirror Orochi.

https://youtu.be/fLuIes8Vq-8

Both fighters survive the explosion of the mirror world which is shown to contain a sun at 0:12.

So this backs up the sudden power increase between High 6-A to 4-B for both Mirror Orochi and Kukri "

This should make this not an outlier

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

I'm only ok with the Tier 4 stuff as long we specified it's due to a device he was using.....

 

[Bobsican]

It obviously would be a new key, by the way.

 

[Bobsican]

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lPSWszpGo

2:17 everyone has resistance to time stop, since this happens before the team fights the final boss and the lack of canonical winner of the KOF XIII Tourney, this should apply to everyone, Ash also is able to move in this time stop at 3:48, who has no special power or stated resistance to such power, and is shown to be comparable to the three sacred treasures as he defeated Kaguya, managed to steal Iori's purple flames and has fought Kyo Kusanagi."

- Hans

In other words, Time Stop resistance from the above

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah I don't trust Mikoto's sources at all.

 

[Wokistan]

It was decided by HR that the reasoning given wasn't sufficient to close the thread, and as such I am reopening it. If the same upgrades were rejected, please summarize the reasons/repost scans here, as the rejection on this actual thread is rather barebones beyond "tier 4 is not okay and Is an outlier". In addition, the reasoning of Bobsican's source being banned isn't consistent with usage of banned user The Everlasting as a source on other threads, and there's no official rule against this, so that alone doesn't warrant a closure.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The profblem is that this whole game is heavily implied to be a Dream, what with every character acting like a parody / caricature of themselves, and Kukri going from a serious character to a joke villain out of nowhere.

And over half the endings involve the characters waking up from surreal dreams.

Furthermore, Kukri is like a Mid-Tier character and he performs Tier 4 feats in this story. And by proxy all of the other characters since their fighting release the energy that creates / sustains the dimension.

So yes, it is an extraordinary outlier.

 

[Bobsican]

""In KOF Sky Stage, a game that takes place after the Orochi Saga, there is another tier 4 feat, the game takes place in the Mirror World that Yata (Kagura's power) created that is starting to steal energy from the living beings on the regular world tl once againt try to revive Orochi and go back into the real world to kill all of humanity.
https://youtu.be/btvgEC1aRUo

At 11:18 Mirror Shermie states that they will scape the seal world, which confirms it is a separate realm.

https://youtu.be/sxcUFN2AC-w

28:30 after defeating Mirror Orochi, the entire realm starts to crumble away because it was being held in place by said Mirror Orochi.

https://youtu.be/fLuIes8Vq-8

Both fighters survive the explosion of the mirror world which is shown to contain a sun at 0:12.

So this backs up the sudden power increase between High 6-A to 4-B for both Mirror Orochi and Kukri "

This should make this not an outlier

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm in agreement with Matt here.