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hog rider but replace hog with enis
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King additional justifications
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Mitch is a OP expert and staff member.
Kingtempest is THE OP expert and former staff member (and will likely be one again once his 3-month suspension ends next month).
How the **** is that d-riding? That's me asking for verification from people with more knowledge than me.
If you don't want to be civil about this, then I'm done debating with you and am just going to wait until the anime comes out.
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Mitch barely actually appears in threads and KT is an expert but there's been cases of him actually being wrong
i.e him claiming Sanji's Haki wasn't the reason he blocked a blade and that it didn't put him above FMI Luffy in terms of Haki, even though Judge noted he ******* used Armament to block and the whole point is that it increases Durability.
i.e him claiming Sanji's Haki wasn't the reason he blocked a blade and that it didn't put him above FMI Luffy in terms of Haki, even though Judge noted he ******* used Armament to block and the whole point is that it increases Durability.
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Emin and I were debating whether or not Zoro used Enma when King briefly pressured him in this panel.
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My issue isn't with them being experts or even their opinion, my issue lies with when I try explain to you why the OP is wrong your immediate response is "Well they agreed with me on discord" when neither of them are in here now.
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On Discord, I asked Mitch whether Zoro used Enma in the mentioned panel, and he said yes.Why are we ******** on staff members and what does it have to do with this thread
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He didn't.
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Nobody's ******** on them but Eseseso is acting like their word is god lol.Why are we ******** on staff members and what does it have to do with this thread
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I asked them to comment, and neither one bothered to respond (which low-key makes me angry since this isn't the first time).
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He didn't even know it's a slur and it's kind of a common term, hell I'd use it too but I'm not homophobic either.
Some staff members must of thought it had homophobic intent as it frowns upon gay activities ( unless it's said to a woman, wonder how they respond to that ) and censored it.
Some staff members must of thought it had homophobic intent as it frowns upon gay activities ( unless it's said to a woman, wonder how they respond to that ) and censored it.
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My B for using that word.
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I'll remove the Enma stuff from Zoan King's justification since no one here agrees with it, and the 2 people who do besides me won't comment on this thread despite me asking on Discord, which irritates the hell out of me.
If the anime contradicts this, I'll bring it up again, but until then I'll remove it.
If the anime contradicts this, I'll bring it up again, but until then I'll remove it.
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I don't see why either KT or Mitch are absolutely needed here. It'd be nice, sure, but saying that they agree with you being a reason for you being right is quite frankly, dumb.
They're not God, they're not Oda. Come up with arguments on your own that can be backed up by themselves without the need of others. If your side was 100% believable, this wouldn't be a debate. Maybe yall should come up with a compromise. If you can't do that, move on to a different topic.
They're not God, they're not Oda. Come up with arguments on your own that can be backed up by themselves without the need of others. If your side was 100% believable, this wouldn't be a debate. Maybe yall should come up with a compromise. If you can't do that, move on to a different topic.
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Apology accepted.
I don't agree with everything they do, but it's like getting your parents to side with you in an argument against your sibling.
You don't agree with everything, you just want to exploit their superior knowledge and hierarchy.
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I concede the argument, and Emin agreed with the other 2 remaining justifications.
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Just to be sure, when it comes to this one it would be noted in his stamina section not durability.
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IMO he should downscale, since the first one didn't damage him too much but the 2nd one did.
But if the other people here disagree, would it be better to say that his flame-less self scales to his sword-less Base AP (which scales above Base Queen and >= Base Sanji)?
Also, Flame-Less Hybrid King was unharmed by a clash with Beginning of fight Buso Zoro in chapter 1027, so that should be mentioned for his flame-less Zoan durability (besides his flameless Zoan durability being >= his Zoan AP because of Ancient Zoan durability).
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The remaining points are:
1. Hybrid King made Zoro cough up blood. Just a good support feat cuz Zoro is a tough cookie who took hits from Big Mom (he used Buso for the Hakai so it doesn't count). Emin agreed with this.
2. Flame-Off King should downscale from taking hits from KoH Zoro, albeit with major damage.
2.5. Flame-Off Zoan King should scale to being unharmed by a clash with Beginning of Fight Buso Zoro (who matched his base w/ a sword that matched Marco), as well as just being >= his Zoan Ap because of Ancient Zoan durability.
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That's treated as a feat for his regen like the other ancient zoans (Queen healing a cut wound on his face from Marco)
Seems fine to me.
Iirc he got bruised by a small part of the clash (Idk how this is possible) when it broke part of his mask, should be fine to just scale his Flame-less Hybrid Dura to his Hybrid AP.
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1 and 2.5 are ok, dont see why they wouldnt be correct
2 seems more like regen because king did not have any dura boost, and base king has no reason to be above zoan kaido (koh>enma>kaidos zoan dura)
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Good point (since that explains how the wound seemed to vanish), although I don't remember Queen getting cut by Marco, he just got kicked and shockwaved.
Although the fact that it didn't do massive damage to his body the first time (like how he was more focused on his mask getting sliced) is notable.
How it broke his mask is beyond me.
His mask wasn't even part of the clash, it was King's wing that did the clashing.
IMO it was due to the shockwave or something.
And IIRC his durability with no flames would be >= his AP because Ancient Zoans get a special durability amp.
That makes sense, although that's why I think it'd be better that he'd downscale, since he definitely does not scale to KoH with his normal durability.
At worst, his base no-flame durability is above Base Queen.
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enma and hao are huge amps and stack them together you get an even huger (is that a word?) amp
king is not downscaling
and queens face was sliced iirc he only scales to marco in zoan
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Here.
Well we see a lot of blood coming out of his face so it's likely it did do significant damage.
Something like that.
Just in general Durability would scale to AP in this case. The reasoning is explained on the durability page:
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Cough Marineford and Impel Down Cough
Not to mention Perospero somehow being a threat to Marco when he couldn't overpower Sulong Carrot/Wanda.
Why not? I'm not arguing that he doesn't scale to the full value of KoH, but he took the first slash pretty well (dude didn't even stop standing).
He had a headbump, I didn't see no slash.
And his base durability currently scales to taking that kick from Hybrid Marco.
But in general we just keep doing Queen dirty on this wiki.
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Thank you, yeah those look like cuts.
For King in chapter 1027? I didn't see any blood from the Zoro clash. IIRC it broke his mask but that's it.
True but Ancient Zoans all have an extra boost in durability that puts it above AP IIRC.
Like how Sanji matched Queen's AP but even his DJ couldn't break through Zoan Queen's hide until he unlocked his exoskeleton.
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unpopular opinion marcos dura is booty
you could mention that it didnt knock him to his feet nor incap him i guess
his ass was sent flying like a bullet
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Kaidou wouldn't have died from Zoro.
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we already accept his koh above oden
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That's a bit of an exaggeration.
Kaido took a Paradise Waterfall from the OG Oden and was relatively ok besides the scar.
I was talking about when King overpowered Zoro's Tiger Hunt in 1027 but it cracked his mask.
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