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It's not the fact it was stamina feat or whatever. It's just only on that profile because the Super Manga doesn't effect the original canon. Well that was the reason at the time I believe
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Kid Goku Fate Manipulation or Blessed
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Kinda, but we also don't have a profile for him so...
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that would be just death manipulation, honestly, doesn't this all get covered by Wish granting/reality warping?
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Honestly I agree with it being Fate hax for the same reason Ness has it, Vegeta straight up confirmed that Goku never died until being an adult because of this.
The examples here however seem to be useless and bloating the thing, as Toriyama absolutely never had in mind that Goku at the time was protected from some kind of force, and are simply just plot armor.
The examples here however seem to be useless and bloating the thing, as Toriyama absolutely never had in mind that Goku at the time was protected from some kind of force, and are simply just plot armor.
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That is more given to stamina/life-force stuff rather than fate.
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The examples are a waste. OP should remove them. Thoughts on this? Vegeta cleary states Goku survived due to the wish..
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think everyone agrees, you don't get anymore clear than this
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Damage is the only mod who commented so far and he disagreed lol
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that was before vegeta's statement was brought up, before it was just bardock making a wish and those scans of goku surviving in db
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I definitely agree
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I don't think this applies as any ability. Certainly not immortality or fate manipulation for Goku.
Blessed is a maybe, but I don't see Goku getting anything else from it.
Blessed is a maybe, but I don't see Goku getting anything else from it.
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Ok.
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why wouldn't goku get an ability from specifically being unable to die due to a wish forcing a destiny to him?
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You know that... you have to tell a reason why it's not, right?
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A wish manipulating events to make it so that Goku and Raditz are out of planet when Frieza destroys it so they don't die, sure does sound like one of the more cut dry showings of Fate Manip, but hey, that's just me
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Vegeta's statement only suggests (not confirms, because Vegeta is going off of his own interpretation of the events) that the wish spared Goku and Raditz from Vegeta's destruction by Frieza.
It does not imply that Goku has an immortality power protecting him since then - and it's not even Goku's ability in the first place as it'd be the Dragon Balls that spared him from it. This would be like adding Resurrection to everyone's profile if they've been revived by the Dragon Balls. It is a one-time occurence in the past that is not part of Goku's character in the story itself.
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Agreed with this.
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bardock's wish is specifically for them to "grow well" and vegeta says the wish is for them to "strive", nowhere is it implied that the wish was to just spare them from planet vegeta's destruction
also, how is it vegeta's interpretation if we are shown bardock doing the exact wish vegeta is talking about? i haven't read to manga to know how vegeta learned of this but it sounds very obvious that he is at least not wrong at all.
also, we give characters abilities based on the actions of other characters all the time, like immortality type 4 and 8 if someone revives you on death, so if the dragon balls protect goku until he grows up, then he would still have passive fate manipulation
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I think Toyo's intent with Vegeta's statement was to actually confirm that the wish saved Goku and Raditz from their deaths, otherwise I see no reason why lad wrote it.
Also, you don't need to be the Source of the Fate Manip for it to be listed on your profile btw
Just look at Mario, who has Fate Manip due to a wish made by the 6 Stars in Paper Mario
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In the scan, Vegeta just say that they survived when they are young because of the wish, he is not specifically talking about the destruction of Vegeta, It could be in general.
Example 2 trought. Several times he almost die, and as able to survive.
I kinda confusing with this, because while yes is not a thing that Goku can control, is still a power that is helping him survive things.
Not really, since is not like Shenron is grating them Infinite ressurection, meanwhile Torobo os change destiny to make that Goku and Raditz ended up growing up and survive until then, is kinda different.
Example 2.
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Yeah I am reading Ness' profile and he's given Possible Passive Fate Hax which is simply for his destiny being the prophesied chosen one. Simply put as long as Raditz and Goku are children their fate is already predetermined. Ironic since they are responsible for each other's demise. Not Toriyama trying to be poetic lol
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vegetas statement was literally the narrative, or toyo telling us that is indeed the case, are you gonna disagree with what the story flat out told us?
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That sounds like passive fate manipulation to me.
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Bump 
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This literally only applies to kid goku since the wish would essentially cancel out when Goku and Raditz (both recipients of the wish) are out to kill each other.
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why would the wish of "alive and well" cancels eachother?
but then again, thats the only weird part, so idk
*btw, would this give shenron "immortals" wishes to be apply on fates level?
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Because at that moment one of them or both of them had to die as they were fighting to the death. Only for wishes that are fate related which only example is Bardock.
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Vegeta clearly specifies "When you were young" in his statement
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By this logic, wouldn't the wish make so that none of the 2 died?
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What if one of them wanted the other to die? I thought those same wish would fight each other or maybe they were useless as if neutralized by the same wish by the same person?
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Well they died and the wish happened so this is the logical conclusion.
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Bump
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hmm, to be fair, this more of a Probability Manipulation than Fate Manipulation
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No, because it did not reduce his probability to die, he just has made him fated to survive until adulthood.
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