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KH: The "Heart" is Abstract, Part 2
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Ok then i'm gonna prepare. BTW very nice profiles.
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Thanks.
Mmm... after checking the replies above, it seems that this can be finally applied overall at this point, as every issue seems to have been concluded.
I´ll really need help adding some of those, however, Kingdom Hearts has a ton of pages currently thanks to my extra dump.
Mmm... after checking the replies above, it seems that this can be finally applied overall at this point, as every issue seems to have been concluded.
I´ll really need help adding some of those, however, Kingdom Hearts has a ton of pages currently thanks to my extra dump.
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I'm currently busy (and for a large part of the day) but as soon as i'm free, i'll help you doing it.
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Okay, it seems everything has been finally applied, at least of this thread, meaning that this can finally be closed.
Edit: The only thing missing now is adding the Resistance to Existence Erasure to anyone that can take hits from Heartless, which should also include any Keyblade wielder, BTW (saying because the x series lacks them IIRC)
Edit 2: Just went in and applied it to every single profile I could find in the category of the verse, it took 4 hours to do properly, but it was worth it
So yeah, this thread can definitely be closed now.
Edit: The only thing missing now is adding the Resistance to Existence Erasure to anyone that can take hits from Heartless, which should also include any Keyblade wielder, BTW (saying because the x series lacks them IIRC)
Edit 2: Just went in and applied it to every single profile I could find in the category of the verse, it took 4 hours to do properly, but it was worth it
So yeah, this thread can definitely be closed now.
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Wait, after some research, I got into an issue, as much as I dislike it:
Getting EE via killing Nobodies is absurd, as when they are defeated, them totally vanishing from existence is an actual natural effect on their part, meaning that it really isn´t a power of the one that kills it, meaning that it should just fall as something to support Non-Physical Interaction instead.
Everything else is fine as it is, however, so I have to ask, can a bot take care to remove the EE accordingly from all profiles that get that ability via killing Nobodies? (Exceptions are those that can use Warp or a variation of it (Sora, Aqua, Terra and Ventus), plus Heartless, as they indeed erase their opponent with their corruption to get the "heart". I hope this can be taken care of by a bot or something, I´m very tired to edit about 70 pages once again.
Anyways, I finsihed the blog that explains the main things on the verse regarding the "heart", to avoid so much confusion, I would like input on it to see if I missed something.
Getting EE via killing Nobodies is absurd, as when they are defeated, them totally vanishing from existence is an actual natural effect on their part, meaning that it really isn´t a power of the one that kills it, meaning that it should just fall as something to support Non-Physical Interaction instead.
Everything else is fine as it is, however, so I have to ask, can a bot take care to remove the EE accordingly from all profiles that get that ability via killing Nobodies? (Exceptions are those that can use Warp or a variation of it (Sora, Aqua, Terra and Ventus), plus Heartless, as they indeed erase their opponent with their corruption to get the "heart". I hope this can be taken care of by a bot or something, I´m very tired to edit about 70 pages once again.
Anyways, I finsihed the blog that explains the main things on the verse regarding the "heart", to avoid so much confusion, I would like input on it to see if I missed something.
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I've come to oppose something, I'm fine with pureblood heartless having abstract qualities, but artificial/emblem heartless should not, they are consistently portrayed as having physical forms.
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Emblem Heartless are literally the exact same case as Vanitas where you're still made up of darkness and have a physical body. Only pure blood Heartless should get it, and this removes Kurt Zisa being Non Corporeal.
@Bob When is the Phantom ever stated to be an Emblem Heartless?
@Bob When is the Phantom ever stated to be an Emblem Heartless?
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The wiki doesn't have a source for it, but then I remembered it had a heart and Emblem symbol, so yeah, it's an Emblem Heartless.
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This also downgrades several disney profiles because they are not fighting pure blood but are fighting emblem. So what we need now is for scans of any of the disney profile characters fighting pure bloods.
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Huh, it seems Shadow, the most basic Pureblood Heartless, appears in every single world of any of the current characters that have profiles (except Atlantica, Ariel´s world), so there´s not much (if anything) to do regarding this.
Edit, just finished updating her page, now hte only current issue is the EE via killing Nobodies being just NPI.
Edit, just finished updating her page, now hte only current issue is the EE via killing Nobodies being just NPI.
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Problem is that shadows aren't directly shown to correlate with the cutscenes + they're one of the few pure bloods shown to have a physical form, they're viewed as intangibile when they merge with the ground, which by that point they're unhittable by everyone in the party.
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How is vanishing from existence a natural effect on their part? They're literally surprised when they're fading and note it's due to Sora.
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Yes, it´s due to Sora as he´s the one that beated them up to the point their body can´t hold together and so they´ll just vanish "back to darkness".
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So he's erasing them as you just described.
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It's not a natural side effect as the keyblade is the only object that can do this to the nobodies and they directly state it's due to Sora. To even think that getting EE'd is a natural side-effect makes quite frankly, no ******* sense.
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KH wiki.
Cause they defo know what vs debating terms and powers are gonna be.
Cause they defo know what vs debating terms and powers are gonna be.
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Well, it says "When they are defeated" not "When Sora uses his Keyblade, it triggers an effect on Nobodies that makes them fade from existence when defeated"
See what´s wrong? There´s nothing that states that Sora´s Keyblade has that particular ability with any of his moves, as if that was the case, when Sora defeats any opponent whatsoever, it would fade from existence by that logic.
See what´s wrong? There´s nothing that states that Sora´s Keyblade has that particular ability with any of his moves, as if that was the case, when Sora defeats any opponent whatsoever, it would fade from existence by that logic.
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It's not common to a non-vs debater unless it's blantantly spelled out to them.
I.E. Hakai (and there's still a lot that just think it means destruction)
When your only other alternative is and I quote "Them being erased from existence is a natural effect of their death" then that should raise several red flags on the opposing argument vs. the simplier argument of the keyblade is the one doing it. Especially whent he keyblade has shown spells like warp.
I.E. Hakai (and there's still a lot that just think it means destruction)
When your only other alternative is and I quote "Them being erased from existence is a natural effect of their death" then that should raise several red flags on the opposing argument vs. the simplier argument of the keyblade is the one doing it. Especially whent he keyblade has shown spells like warp.
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Just going to say that the KH2 manga outright states darkness would've erased Axel regardless of him being alive if he didn't have the coat on. He was near death when it happened in KH2, so the darkness literally erased him.
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Name the characters that do that who aren't using magic which the keyblade by extension uses.
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And Sitch is summoned, which just furthers my point that he's amped, since the entire point is you need magic/keyblade to even harm nobodies yet summons can harm them.
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