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So as talked in the previous crt an separete crt is apparently needed to change Kenny stamina classification from Superhuman to Peak Human because apparently this also affect the entire verse for some reason.
So getting started, from what I saw in the crt that give the verse Superhuman stamina instead of Peak Human is how long some of the combats can get, surpassing the hour of fight, now as mentioned in that same thread that isn't even close to be the longest time a human fight have lasted, with the longest fight in human history being James Kelly vs Jonathan Smith which lasted seven hours non-stop (this despite their injuries, which included a nassal bleeding that lasted hours from Kelly part, it was even directly said that both collapsed at the end while being "bloody and swollen"), it was also mentioned the fight some years after that also lasted seven hours (though with short breaks of one minute between each round) which was the Andy Bowen vs Jack Burke fight (a fight that also continued despite them getting seriously injured, to the point that Burke even broke every bone in both of his hands and still was fighting, also similarly to the previous fight both ended "bloodied, bruised, and battered", I wouldn't find strange if in both cases the fighters showed signs of anaemia).
Now, the arguments used to put wrestlers matches above cases like this were: 1) They don't have breaks in between like boxing fights 2) They get more damaged. So I will answer to both of this points:
1) While true that they don't have "official breaks" like in boxing or other sports, that don't mean that in the actual fights they have zero time to breath, rest a bit and recover to some extent, lets use one of the famous Kenny Omega vs Kazuchika Okada fights (specifically speaking the 46 minutes WrestleKindom 11 fight mentioned in Kenny profile) as example, in said battle if one watch the entire fight (which I unfortunately had to do for this part) one can see several moments mid-battle in which they stoped fighting and were instead recovering:
12:28-12:51, 13:37-14:31, 15:02-15:26, 15:57-16:56 Kenny launched an attack and then both rested from 16:58-17:08, 17:30-17:55, 20:05-20:19, 22:38-23:05, 23:13-23:47, 24:23-24:48, 24:53-25:03, 26:19-26:42, 28:36-28:54, 29:23-29:40, 29:49-30:04, 30:11-30:21, 30:26-31:02, 31:07-32:34 btw in a moment in this pause we can see how Kenny had water handled to him, 32:46-33:19, 34:09-34:50 Kenny grab Okada hair for a few seconds and then don't touch him again from 35:02-35:11, 35:29-35:41, 35:58-36:22, 36:51-37:09 btw here is show for the first time an injure in one of their bodies which is only a scratch that isn't even bleeding in Okada back, 37:38-38:11, 39:14-40:15 Okada then grabed Kenny and put him on the ring with much effort and didn't touched Kenny again from 40:22-40:34, 40:45-41:07, 41:14-41:39, 42:39-42:47 while this pause is shorter than the previous ones I commented I'm highlighting this moment because here Kenny was show to have problems moving do to his lower back pain, 43:51-44:01 in this point Kenny put his exhausted arm above the exhausted Okada for 3 seconds until Okada removed it and both didn't touch again from 44:05-44:24, 44:43-45:09, 45:44-46:04, 46:19-46:34, 47:22-48:05 Okada grabed Kenny hair 4 second and then they don't continue fighting from 48:09-48:23, 48:57-49:09, 49:47-50:25, 52:08-52:45, 53:02-53:19.
And there were actually more pauses in between but since those were shorter than 10 seconds I didn't mentioned them (though they still helped them to take a breath and gather strength again), along with a lot of moments were they did low strain actions but I didn't mention those because they still consume some energy (significantly less than punching, kicking or doing combat techniques, but still).
My point with all of this is to show that pro wrestling battles aren't fights were every single second the combatants throw and receive punches, kicks or martial techniques, they aren't fights were there is no room to breath, to recover, were every moment matter, instead they are like irl fights were fighters sometimes attack fiercely, sometimes take a short rest, sometimes attack sluggishly and sometimes are dying from exhaustion (going as far as even trying to take advantage of the rules to get at least some rest, in the case of wrestling an example of this would be when touching the rope to free from holds and get a short break or when reacting against a count down which also make both sides separete and get a short rest, things that can be see in the above fights), through all a match the wrestlers show to pass for all of this like real humans. Yes, wrestlers indeed show to be able to last long periods of time, they show to endure quite a lot, but at the end of the day everything still is under what is realistically possible for greatly trained humans.
2) Now about the damage argument, while is true that wrestler receive several punches, kicks, slammings and throws, they didn't injure the wrestlers that much, let use again the Kenny vs Okada fight from above as example, in the match the only external injury visible is the scratch I mentioned in Okada back which wasn't even bleeding, the other notable injury in said fight (which wasn't externally visible) was the lower back one that Kenny got which was noted by the commentators to be affecting him a lot (something noticeable in several moments when Kenny needed to stop moving from the pain or needed to take a rest while touching his lower back), they didn't got great injuries like broken bones or wounds that made them bleed, instead they received damage that while painful wasn't so serious that they got grave wounds.
Now talking about other listed things in Kenny stamina section:
So getting started, from what I saw in the crt that give the verse Superhuman stamina instead of Peak Human is how long some of the combats can get, surpassing the hour of fight, now as mentioned in that same thread that isn't even close to be the longest time a human fight have lasted, with the longest fight in human history being James Kelly vs Jonathan Smith which lasted seven hours non-stop (this despite their injuries, which included a nassal bleeding that lasted hours from Kelly part, it was even directly said that both collapsed at the end while being "bloody and swollen"), it was also mentioned the fight some years after that also lasted seven hours (though with short breaks of one minute between each round) which was the Andy Bowen vs Jack Burke fight (a fight that also continued despite them getting seriously injured, to the point that Burke even broke every bone in both of his hands and still was fighting, also similarly to the previous fight both ended "bloodied, bruised, and battered", I wouldn't find strange if in both cases the fighters showed signs of anaemia).
Now, the arguments used to put wrestlers matches above cases like this were: 1) They don't have breaks in between like boxing fights 2) They get more damaged. So I will answer to both of this points:
1) While true that they don't have "official breaks" like in boxing or other sports, that don't mean that in the actual fights they have zero time to breath, rest a bit and recover to some extent, lets use one of the famous Kenny Omega vs Kazuchika Okada fights (specifically speaking the 46 minutes WrestleKindom 11 fight mentioned in Kenny profile) as example, in said battle if one watch the entire fight (which I unfortunately had to do for this part) one can see several moments mid-battle in which they stoped fighting and were instead recovering:
12:28-12:51, 13:37-14:31, 15:02-15:26, 15:57-16:56 Kenny launched an attack and then both rested from 16:58-17:08, 17:30-17:55, 20:05-20:19, 22:38-23:05, 23:13-23:47, 24:23-24:48, 24:53-25:03, 26:19-26:42, 28:36-28:54, 29:23-29:40, 29:49-30:04, 30:11-30:21, 30:26-31:02, 31:07-32:34 btw in a moment in this pause we can see how Kenny had water handled to him, 32:46-33:19, 34:09-34:50 Kenny grab Okada hair for a few seconds and then don't touch him again from 35:02-35:11, 35:29-35:41, 35:58-36:22, 36:51-37:09 btw here is show for the first time an injure in one of their bodies which is only a scratch that isn't even bleeding in Okada back, 37:38-38:11, 39:14-40:15 Okada then grabed Kenny and put him on the ring with much effort and didn't touched Kenny again from 40:22-40:34, 40:45-41:07, 41:14-41:39, 42:39-42:47 while this pause is shorter than the previous ones I commented I'm highlighting this moment because here Kenny was show to have problems moving do to his lower back pain, 43:51-44:01 in this point Kenny put his exhausted arm above the exhausted Okada for 3 seconds until Okada removed it and both didn't touch again from 44:05-44:24, 44:43-45:09, 45:44-46:04, 46:19-46:34, 47:22-48:05 Okada grabed Kenny hair 4 second and then they don't continue fighting from 48:09-48:23, 48:57-49:09, 49:47-50:25, 52:08-52:45, 53:02-53:19.
And there were actually more pauses in between but since those were shorter than 10 seconds I didn't mentioned them (though they still helped them to take a breath and gather strength again), along with a lot of moments were they did low strain actions but I didn't mention those because they still consume some energy (significantly less than punching, kicking or doing combat techniques, but still).
My point with all of this is to show that pro wrestling battles aren't fights were every single second the combatants throw and receive punches, kicks or martial techniques, they aren't fights were there is no room to breath, to recover, were every moment matter, instead they are like irl fights were fighters sometimes attack fiercely, sometimes take a short rest, sometimes attack sluggishly and sometimes are dying from exhaustion (going as far as even trying to take advantage of the rules to get at least some rest, in the case of wrestling an example of this would be when touching the rope to free from holds and get a short break or when reacting against a count down which also make both sides separete and get a short rest, things that can be see in the above fights), through all a match the wrestlers show to pass for all of this like real humans. Yes, wrestlers indeed show to be able to last long periods of time, they show to endure quite a lot, but at the end of the day everything still is under what is realistically possible for greatly trained humans.
2) Now about the damage argument, while is true that wrestler receive several punches, kicks, slammings and throws, they didn't injure the wrestlers that much, let use again the Kenny vs Okada fight from above as example, in the match the only external injury visible is the scratch I mentioned in Okada back which wasn't even bleeding, the other notable injury in said fight (which wasn't externally visible) was the lower back one that Kenny got which was noted by the commentators to be affecting him a lot (something noticeable in several moments when Kenny needed to stop moving from the pain or needed to take a rest while touching his lower back), they didn't got great injuries like broken bones or wounds that made them bleed, instead they received damage that while painful wasn't so serious that they got grave wounds.
Now talking about other listed things in Kenny stamina section:
- The several mouse traps thing while certainly painful didn't do much damage to Kenny (since you know, Kenny have a durability around the 6 megajoules range).
- The invisible chainsaw thing didn't make Kenny bleed or caused any visible wound (obviously).
- The going through a glass table also didn't make any visible damage (also, pretty sure it was the other dude who took the most of the impact and he was also the one who got slammed against more glass, though I guess his jacket protected him from getting cut).
- The get launched against a wooden table was from the above Kenny vs Okada fight and while he didn't got any visible external injury is quite likely that that moment was the one that hurt his lower back to the point that the rest of the fight it was clearly noticeable how much Kenny was struggling with the pain (the scene btw happened at the minute 39:13 in the video and the fight ended at the 54:27, which mean that Kenny only lasted fighting after the wooden table thing 15:14 minutes, Kenny was also just beginning to be able to move again without others help at 40:34 which mean that he spend a total 1 minute with 21 seconds in a useless state were he couldn't do anything more than rest to recover the most he could).
- The jumping tombstone piledrivers (also from the above Kenny vs Okada) not going to lie were certainly impressive, I genuinely got a lot of respect for them after such a moves and because they continued even after them, however the problem come from the fact that after said moves were used it was needed one of the (relatively speaking) long rest mentioned above to recover, and even after they more or less recovered they were sluggish and needed some more time to get energetic again.
- The chair shot on the head surely hurt but is show in the very clip itself how after it both fighters were exhausted in the floor for several seconds (20 seconds fron what was left in the clip), and while I unfortunately can't confirm how long they rested before engage again do to not know what fight is that to see a video, I'm quite confident that they needed at the very least 10 more seconds to attack again and I wouldn't be surprised if they needed 20 or 30 seconds more. The clip however have something very good, which is that it show blood from Kenny head, something that suggest a considerable wound, now though unless Kenny continued to fight for more than several hours while still bleeding then isn't a feat that could be classificated as Superhuman based in the fact that just the two combats at the beginning of the op show humans fighting for several hours while bleeding.
- The feat of get up seconds later after being dropped on his head on a sharp wired table with a piledriver sound good, though Kenny needed a full minute to recover (finded the fight and while I'm not gonna analyze the entire things like the Kenny vs Okada match do to here being 3:00am and me wanting to finally end this to go to sleep, I a least saw the table part which happened at the minute 17:03 and it was at 18:16 that Kenny become able to barely move again, then stopped moving after his opponent throw to him a trash can and continued to be in a useless state from 18:17-18:49, it was really just at 19:14 that Kenny become able to fight again), the drop was also at the center of the table and if I'm not wrong that is the weakest part of a table (at least from a calc I remember talking about something like that), he fought for 10:15 minutes after that (without counting the two minutes in which he was in a useless state unable to fight) and the fight in total lasted 27:29 minutes. As I mentioned I haven't watched the full fight but I'm pretty sure there are more short breaks between attacks so that is something more that everyone should have in mind.
- The get dropped head frist on sharp barbed wired exploding table and being dumped into a pile of wiring bed would be impressive if the wire showed to at least cut them (not only them but from the clip it seems like not even their clothes were damaged at all, I also genuinely want to ask the purpose of adding explosives to a barbed wire and how useful/effective that thing actually is), there was blood in the clip but only was from the enemy face (honestly curious about how he ended like that and how much he fought with the bleeding).
- Survive the Walls of Jericho, Lion tamer as well as the Code breaker, while the first thing seem certainly painful I don't see why is something superhuman survive it (minor note but unless Chris killed someone with it technically all his his opponents survived it, just a minor problem with the wording) unless Chris broke Kenny legs or other body part with it (also at the end of the video didn't Kenny got free from it only because the rule about free someone when he touch the rope? That at least was how Okada and Kenny showed to face most of those situations in the combat), the Code breaker seem to be a similar case but in this case is even show in the clip itself how they got exhausted after that and both rested for various seconds (plus the seconds used to recover that come after the clip end).
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