Human level would cap at 135-150 joules, while Athlete level would remain around the 150-300 J mark.
What’s the justification for baseline 10-B (just to make sure it doesn’t need changing for similar reasons) And I’m still not quite sure why we’re using an average human’s punch as baseline athlete level, as again, that makes all 10-Bs below the average punch in AP
Mass of the fist alone is not enough, you absolutely put your entire arm into a proper punch as well as your own body weight.
Mass of the fist alone is not enough, you absolutely put your entire arm into a proper punch as well as your own body weight.
www.omnicalculator.com
I’m gonna be honest though, I’m not sure what distance affected we’d use to convert the force into energy, though a CGM can (hopefully) help with thatSo uh, this might be worth a shot
Human Punch Force Calculator
The human punch force calculator helps determine the potential force and pressure of the punch based on the weight of the punching body.
They're covering the entire fist itself, all sides, not the frontal impact area.
Why?
Dude, it isn't just a matter of it happening "often," it's average. You, me, and I'm sure everyone else in this thread would be 9-C with almost every attack aside from punches. The punch is a very weak strike. With what's suggested, no normal human (which is what the tier refers to in the first place) would even be in that tier.
Define wall.
This is not something that happens commonly. Most of the time, people are fine after tackles.
You're asking me if two people jogging at 3.5 m/s running into each other would survive?
They need to be able to withstand 9-C without any damage to their body whatsoever
We'd need to brush off those attacks without suffering even the slightest of injuries to be able to scale and without quickly tiring out within seconds.
Solid brick/concrete wall.
Because they're not getting rammed into a wall where they'd end up taking the full force. They get tackled into empty space behind them, which is where linear momentum takes over and it would nerf the actual energy they take from a tackle.
Because linear momentum is a thing.
Again, body parts are not linearly durable in all places nor are our organs as durable as the outside.
When has this been a rule for durability scaling? You don't have to completely no-sell an attack to scale to it. Huh?
Kicks are 9-C and the drawback you feel from them is not much different than a punch. What is the argument here?
Legs are heavier and overall much more difficult to maneuver, and thus require more technique to master.
I'm pretty sure Deku's got combat training for that to not be an issue for him. It's literally all about technique, not just throwing limbs around.
It's only been a rule for durability scaling in real life, not in fiction.
Yes. But even untrained normal people are 9-C with kicks they put some effort into. And jumping. And hammering with both fists. And etc ... All of which can be done pretty consistently.
In the early series he always breaks bones and stuff but his AP isn't affected by this.
If that's the case then human durability should not even scale to punches because we don't no-sell them either.
I've explained why already.
Being capable of outputting force in some way doesn't mean you ""scale"" to it, especially tackles. As for kicks, you basically never see those happen in fights between untrained people and if you do they're clumsy and end up delivering very little of the full energy they produced.
That's something calc members have to decide, of course I agree with making our standards more accurate, but I don't have the knowledge to say what's correct in this regard.
Is somebody here able to find such a study with results that can be reasonably easily understood, please?
I think we kinda have to bite the bullet that we will have to ignore the things that get 9-C, because unless you want 10-A Guns some human stuff will always get 9-C. Granted, I’m not particularly against making 9-C harder to get into. Guns are all about piercing damage anyways, no? Why is listing the pure KE as not capable of necessarily killing any human so offensive?
Because we can't account for piercing damage within our already-simplified Tiering System that runs on energy yield values.
IIRC they were supposed to have "far higher via piercing damage" added to them in a separate CRT.
I think 10-B should start at 40 like it currently does, it's probably better to allow teenagers and women in it too rather than just adult men.
So it's cap should be raised to 150 only then?
If you're talking about the 135-150 J value, yes, as that's what the athletes are shown to be generating energy consistently above this.
I think that 37.5 J value might've been the basis for Human level's baseline. IDK, it was very long ago.
No, it is fine as is.
Won't happen without DT giving the green light for this.
No, Superhuman is usable for a multitude of tiers beyond human capability. It's too vague for a name or a tier. It would only cause further confusion.
Yeah, sure.
That was a secondary concern too, though I think it also just makes indexing easier.
