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Katekyo Hitman Reborn Revisions (Continued)

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Can we further scale anymore characters? Like the Acrobaleno? Are they all equal, and if not what tiers would they be if this new revision is accepted?
 
@RinkakuKagune Sadly, the best clear feat is Enma stomp Tsuna before Vongola Gear with 1/7 of his full power.

Arcobaleno will put to at least High 7-A since they superior to most of people, but can't scale how far of stronger.
 
Arcobaleno are the strongest in the verse for their respective elements

They should scale to the highest feat we have for the normal people

I'll elaborate on Daemon's Hax in my next comment.
 
So after reading the blog I encountered 2 controversial ways off scaling.

The first one is using the difference in FVs to calculate AP. This is akin to using the difference in Powerlevels to find the power difference between 2 people.

The other controversial thing is the "Character A said he used X amount of his power to beat Character B, so hes Y times stronger at full power"

While im not saying these are wrong ways to scale stuff, unless there is consistent showings to go with these statements and numbers, Im not sure they can be used.

Since I dont really know the context behind all this stuff I will leave it up to staff who have read the manga.
 
The best feats I can think of off the top of my head are Enma's Black Holes and Bermuda's light speed claim.

In his fight with Tsuna, Bermuda stated he was speeding up until he reached the speed of light, which Tsuna casually reacted to. I'm aware that all we have to go off of is his claim, but considering these are the same wormholes that allow him to create an infinite amount of energy and he's a genius Arcobaleno, I believe him.

When fighting with Tsuna after he gets his upgrade, Tsuna is able to move around black holes without being sucked in. Reborn even states in one of the pictures that they are legitmate black holes. Not quite sure what speed that puts him at because the Black Holes have various strengths, so I'll leave that as unconclusive and hope someone smarter than me can do the math.

Reborn and Checker-Face should scale to this at least.

Relevent Pics:

BKHR1
Speed of Light

BKHR2
Tsuna casually reacting

BKHR3
Tsuna easily intercepting Bermuda

BH1
Confirmed Black Holes

BH2
Tsuna escaping the pull

BH3
One more for good measure
 
Our conventions tend to be that FTL speed is required to escape the event horizon of a black hole, as far as I am aware.
 
IIRC the black holes were debunked for not acting at all like black holes, and the lightspeed thing got calculated at Sub-Relativistic+.
 
Okay. Thank you for the information.
 
Do you have a link?

I don't doubt you but I'm curious what the argument was because the claims seem pretty definitve, and them not acting like black holes would just be PIS.

Either Way Sub-Relatvistic + is a step up from Massively Hypersonic +, so that's something at least.
 
EdwardSuoh said:
Do you have a link?
I don't doubt you but I'm curious what the argument was because the claims seem pretty definitve, and them not acting like black holes would just be PIS.

Either Way Sub-Relatvistic + is a step up from Massively Hypersonic +, so that's something at least.
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That's not a real black hole or at least not a full one, because those black holes are limited to Enma power and thinking logically, Tsuna is a character with alot of speed with a higher reaction, so technically tsuna would have easilly beat bermuda even without his last form.
 
RadicalMrR Controversial? There's nothing really controversial about it, it's only looked at that way because of other verses being extremely inconsistent.

Anyways, showings don't matter, as long as they don't heavily contradict the statements about FV and differences in power, there's no reason not to not use them. It's the author's way of power scaling the verse.

You're not going to get feats that are 7 times more impressive than the last guy because the former was 7 times more powerful, for example.

Feats aren't everything.
 
I think that we accepted in-story multipliers for the Kaio-ken in Dragon Ball.
 
Its not like the kaio ken though. Its closer to power levels, where vase Freeza is about 22 times steonger than saiyan saga Vegeta but feats make Freeza 1000s stronger than Vegeta.
 
Well, wasn't there a mention of some character using 10% of his true power?
 
We have fractiona, but I'm unsure if using those fractions is correct. There's nothing really in the series that validates DC into the country levels.
 
@Rinkaku Piercer had done scaling that would make them Country Level or so, which I disagree with.

High 7-A sounds completely reasonable though.


For Daemon Spade, Earth Manipulation comes from Shitt P. and Rauji Ooyama's Shimon Rings. Ice Manipulation comes from Adelheid Suzuki. Plant Manipulation comes from Koyo Aoba.

As far as surviving as a soul goes, he left Mukuro's body as it was about to be destroyed so that he could escape using the Night Flame. Vindice stopped him though and Tsuna finished him off. He can possess others by placing his soul inside them and forcefully taking over.
 
maybe piercer might be incorrect in the country level thing, but before deciding the scaling for the characters, can the profiles of some characters like Zakuro and Blue bell at least get create?
 
GokuBold said:
maybe piercer might be incorrect in the country level thing, but before deciding the scaling for the characters, can the profiles of some characters like Zakuro and Blue bell at least get create?
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I second this.
 
I would appreciate further staff input here.
 
It seems like we cannot use most of this, due to that power levels are usually not linear.

However, we might be able to use the following part:

"Byakuran is the final and strongest antagonist of this arc. He absorb all of power from Real Funeral Wreaths, Vongola Guardian and Varia and got supreme power enough to stomped Tsuna with 1/10 of his full power."
 
Well, if scaling by FV is not accept, then we need to cut some part.

Future arc characters will be list to "At least 7-C, likely higher" since we don't have better feat for them.

if Byakuran part is ok, then I think we can use it. But I need to rescale him since we have an update about 7-A X-Burner on choice arc calc. So let me recalculate first.

Anyway, is this part ok?

"At beginning of Inheritance Ceremony Arc. Enma stomped all Vongola Guardians and also Tsuna, and it appears that Enma's power is only 1/7 of his full power on that time."

Since Byakuran part is ok, so I don't see why not for this.
 
That should probably be fine as well, as long as no power levels are involved.
 
Ok,I already updated the blog. It's not much different, just change one number that use on calc before recalcurate, but didn't change any contents or ways of scaling.

Some of characters got upgrade on tier from previous, Now we have 6-C for best tier of verse.

I also mark on topics that we rejected. For make anyone can bring it to update profiles without getting confusion.
 
To deny the FV scaling because "power levels are usually not linear" is far from a valid reason. They may not be linear for DBZ but can you actually prove it's the same for a completely different verse, instead of just generalising?

If you're going to ignore it, please give actual reasons.
 
IMO the power levels in KHR are too different from the ones in dragon ball.

e.g.

In dragon ball even when the scouter read the power level of the oponent, the oponent wasn't showing his full power.

In KHR in the short amount of time in which this was use, they show and state the full power of tsuna excluding any other character.

In difference there was so many statement in dragon ball, plus the databook that it mess even the amount of power a character need to destroy a planet.

There are not so many statement(3-5) in KHR, that we should check them to be sure if they are right or wrong(Also KHR those not have a databook).

That's my opinion.
 
Anyway, except from issues about FV scaling. Can we start edit their profiles by my revision? Since long time pass after we start KHR revision start, so I think we should have some change for thier page now.
 
@PoH

We do not accept power levels as a gauge in this wiki, period, unless they have been proven to be linear. We cannot make exceptions, and this is not up for discussion.

@Xanxussama1010

What upgrades do you wish to perform, and why? Keep your explanation simple, as I am very tired. Also, scaling from power levels is not allowed.
 
I mean, I just want to know that is it ok for now to use contents from blog (of cause aside from power levels parts) to update their profiles. If it ok, I will start update them.
 
Well, you can only scale from the statements about how much of their power that certain characters are using, not from power level differences.
 
Xanxussama Checkerface and anyone comparable to him should be rated at "At least Large Island, likely far higher" due to effortlessly releasing at least 30 times more flames than Tsuna.
 
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