Kamen Rider Revision: Cosmology Scaling

[Jamesthetaker]

After two wide revisions of Kamen Rider cosmology, it's time to finally get to the final part, scaling chain revision. I've made a sandbox so you can get a better look at the scaling chain.

Sandbox

Base Multiverse​

The multiverse has an infinite number of universes and 7 higher dimensions . As discussed in the previous thread, the higher dimensions are accepted to be legit and work based on R / F Interaction.

The first Rider to scale is Kamen Rider Decade who can destroy the multiverse and poses a threat to all realities. Anybody who can fight Decade would scales to him as well.

Kamen Rider Saver​

In the second part, we discussed the particular case of Kamen Rider Saver. It is accepted that Saver involved the multiverse and exists on a higher plane above it, which would qualify as 8-D. Although Saver doesn't have a profile yet, there are a few characters who scale to him:

• Gaim , Ryugen , and Zangetsu : All the reasonings are in their AP section.
• Neo Decade: This version of Decade has integrated every Heisei Rider's power onto himself, Gaim included.
• Grand Zi-O : Same as Decade.
• Kamen Rider Ohma Zi-O : This man has literally every rider's power in existence, including Gaim and Decade. In a weakened state, he merged all dimensions into one so he could find a successor.

Edit: Kamen Rider Decade (2009) should have a new key detail his appearance in Gaim novel as well.

The Real World​

The Real World is a place beyond Kamen Rider fiction. This means the real world is 9-D and scales to a few characters only. Most of the characters who scale to it currently don't have a profile yet, but I will give you guys a run down:

• Shotaro Ishinomori: He is the "god" who saw entire reality as fictional . His mere thought alone sustains all existence and should his imagination stop everything would cease to exist .
• Super Hero Senki Form Saber : Alongside Shotaro Ishinomori, Saber uses the Super Hero Senki book to restore the entire reality and bring the heroes back into existence. ( Super Hero Senki )
• Legend Riders in the Real World : Those are the riders empowered by real people and become "real" so they scale too. ( Heisei Generation FOREVER )

It should be noted that for Saber and Legend Riders, they need entirely different keys / pages to cover their appearance in the real world. This is because the Real World transcends everything from the Kamen Rider world, so it's not feasible to scale it with its canon counterpart.

Proposal​

I'm proposing two options for the scaling chain:

1. Keep the current 2-A rating and give them a "likely 1-C " tier rating. Saver transcending the multiverse would qualify as "Low 1-C , likely 1-C ".
2. Replace the current 2-A rating with a straight " 1-C " tier rating.

The reason I'm giving a likely rating is because I believe it's a safer choice, but I'm willing to hear other thoughts on the matter. That's all for the thread.

Edit: Proposing Kamen Rider Decade (2009) new key for his appearance in Gaim novel.

 

[MagiSinbad]

The reason I'm giving a likely rating is because I believe it's a safer choice, but I'm willing to hear other thoughts on the matter. That's all for the thread.

Yes, this is what I'm thinking, likely 1-C is the safer choice.

 

[Nicetoderp]

With base multiverse proven to be 7-D then it's only make sense that 2-A rating turn into 1-C

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

The option 1 seems fair, but i'll wait for further input on this thread to see the progress/result

 

[Divini]

not sure about decade and others changing to 1C but people like Gaim, Saver or Ohma should be straight 1-C to me, saber and legend riders being a straight 1-C looks good too

 

[Omazio2019]

Kinda funny when they scale through Saver even though he hasn't had a profile yet

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah likely 1-C seems like the say to go.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

Still pushing Saver?

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Still pushing Saver?

Yeah, why not? Most of the staff and members on the previous thread agree with it.

 

[BERRIES555]

Yeah, this is straightforward enough. I agree

 

[BERRIES555]

not sure about decade and others changing to 1C but people like Gaim, Saver or Ohma should be straight 1-C to me, saber and legend riders being a straight 1-C looks good too

Why’s that, Decade and Co directly scale to the destruction of the multiverse which we establish contains 7 dimensions

 

[Divini]

Why’s that, Decade and Co directly scale to the destruction of the multiverse which we establish contains 7 dimensions

yeah i do agree with that, im just not exactly sure if decade effected the multiverse in its totality or just the inf universes

 

[BERRIES555]

Oh I see, yeah I think that’s why James puts in the Likely rating.

 

[Divini]

then decade should get a likely yes and comparable characters

 

[Firestorm808]

Sorry to sidebar. I'm currently getting into Kamen Rider.

To clarify, does Ohma Zi-O have the power of every rider from Showa to Reiwa to 2068 or just every Heisei rider?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Sorry to sidebar. I'm currently getting into Kamen Rider.

To clarify, does Ohma Zi-O have the power of every rider from Showa to Reiwa to 2068 or just every Heisei rider?

Showa and Heisei, unlikely not Reiwa but he also have Rider that exist passed Reiwa period like Kikai, Woz and whatever else.

It's honestly a big question mark.

 

[Quang230]

Showa and Heisei, unlikely not Reiwa but he also have Rider that exist passed Reiwa period like Kikai, Woz and whatever else.

It's honestly a big question mark.

Since Ohma zi-o have power of all heisei rider does that mean he also have power of kamen Sentai Gorider those possessing the powers of every Kamen Rider and Super Sentai. That mean Ohma will also have power of every super sentai.

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www.kamen-rider-official.com

 

[BERRIES555]

It honestly depends on if they even count as a Riders. Surprisingly, the canonicity of a rider doesn’t matter to Oma, just that they are considered as riders

 

[MagiSinbad]

Sorry to sidebar. I'm currently getting into Kamen Rider.

To clarify, does Ohma Zi-O have the power of every rider from Showa to Reiwa to 2068 or just every Heisei rider?

Technically, Reiwa era doesnt exist in Ohma's timeline. After his ascendance to Ohma Zi-O (which is when Heisei era end), the very first thing he did was destroying the world, the era stopped flowing and no more Kamen Riders were born after Zi-O. (Kikai, Shinobi and Quiz came from the timeline where Geiz defeated Zi-Oh and stopped Ohma Zi-O from being born)

We are still discussing about whether Ohma Zi-O has Reiwa era powers or not.
But regardless, even if Ohma Zi-O doesnt get Reiwa powers, then Ohma form will still have them for being the King of time of all eras, not just Heisei anymore (stated by Toei themselves)

 

[BERRIES555]

Zi-O Ohma form was able to summon out the GoRiders in its movie though, so there’s a possibility that they do count as Riders. Which would then give Ohma Form access to all the Super Sentai Powers as well.

Although, we’re getting off topic. We should likely talk about this another day, since SS has never actually had a proper in-depth look into. And for us to properly make a GoRider page, we’d have to make a lot of SS pages.

 

[Firestorm808]

Yeah likely 1-C seems like the say to go.

Getting back on topic, I can agree with the proposal.

 

[Lonkitt]

Shouldn't Decade's 2009 profile have a new key in relation to him being completely unaffected by Saver's reality shit in the Gaim novel? In addition, that affects Zi-O's ratings

His key could look like this:

Key: Tsukasa Kadoya | Pre-Gaim Gaiden | Post-Gaim Gaiden

 

[Omazio2019]

Sorry to sidebar. I'm currently getting into Kamen Rider.

To clarify, does Ohma Zi-O have the power of every rider from Showa to Reiwa to 2068 or just every Heisei rider?

Most likely he'll have Reiwa power

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Since Ohma zi-o have power of all heisei rider does that mean he also have power of kamen Sentai Gorider those possessing the powers of every Kamen Rider and Super Sentai. That mean Ohma will also have power of every super sentai.

仮面戦隊ゴライダー | 仮面ライダー図鑑 | 東映

平成仮面ライダーシリーズに関連する映像作品に登場した仮面ライダー、変身フォーム、怪人、アイテムを解説、紹介しています。

www.kamen-rider-official.com

He does, actually. Ohma Form Zi-O can summon Gorider so technically Ohma Zi-O does possess Super Sentai ability as well.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Shouldn't Decade's 2009 profile have a new key in relation to him being completely unaffected by Saver's reality shit in the Gaim novel? In addition, that affects Zi-O's ratings

His key could look like this:

Key: Tsukasa Kadoya | Pre-Gaim Gaiden | Post-Gaim Gaiden

Yeah, a key for his appearance in Gaim could work. I will add them in my sandbox.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

He does, actually. Ohma Form Zi-O can summon Gorider so technically Ohma Zi-O does possess Super Sentai ability as well.

What in the f***
More proof that we need Super Sentai pages ASAP

 

[Lonkitt]

What in the f***
More proof that we need Super Sentai pages ASAP

We really do. So far we have two pages up for Sentai, but we certainly need more

 

[Omazio2019]

Yeah, a key for his appearance in Gaim could work. I will add them in my sandbox.

Also James do you plan to make a profile for Saver since various riders scale from him?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

We really do. So far we have two pages up for Sentai, but we certainly need more

Even Power Rangers revision project has been worked fluidtly and here we're still slacking lel

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Also James do you plan to make a profile for Saver since various riders scale from him?

Maybe after this revision gone through because I'm keep forgetting about him for some reason.

 

[Lonkitt]

This could be used for Post-Gaim Gaiden 2009 Decade's profile


Low Complex Multiverse level, likely Complex Multiverse level (Remained completely unaffected as Kamen Rider Saver became one with all of existence and transcended it, rescuing Mitsuzane in the process and allowing him to fight once more)

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Added new key for 2009 Decade.

 

[Omazio2019]

If Zi-O legend rider be 9-D, can Ohma Zi-O be 9-D too since Shirakura confirmed Sougo will always be Ohma Zi-O this also show in Geiz Majesty,Rider time,...

 

[Quang230]

By the way i want to ask something about Decade when battle against Ohma zi-o can he be consider is be weakened since Another Decade still exist so he will only have 50% power.It also show at the night before the fight his body start to disappear so that he already start to death(9:45-10:00)

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[MagiSinbad]

By the way i want to ask something about Decade when battle against Ohma zi-o can he be consider is be weakened since Another Decade still exist so he will only have 50% power.It also show at the night before the fight his body start to disappear so that he already start to death(9:45-10:00)

【ENGLISH SUB - Episode 03/03】 Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade 2020 | TokuZilla.Net

ENGLISH SUB - FULL SERIES 03/03Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade is the third installment of the Kamen Rider Zi-O Spin-off series that focuses on Sougo Tokiwa. It is labeled 7 Different Zi-O! Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade The world is ravaged by ravenous monsters and high school...

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doesn't really mean much when even Ohma is also in like...10% of his power or even less.

 

[Lonkitt]

By the way i want to ask something about Decade when battle against Ohma zi-o can he be consider is be weakened since Another Decade still exist so he will only have 50% power.It also show at the night before the fight his body start to disappear so that he already start to death(9:45-10:00)

【ENGLISH SUB - Episode 03/03】 Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade 2020 | TokuZilla.Net

ENGLISH SUB - FULL SERIES 03/03Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade is the third installment of the Kamen Rider Zi-O Spin-off series that focuses on Sougo Tokiwa. It is labeled 7 Different Zi-O! Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade The world is ravaged by ravenous monsters and high school...

tokuzilla.net

Even at 50% power, Decade was far stronger than his Post-Gaim Gaiden self so it doesn't matter

 

[Quang230]

doesn't really mean much when even Ohma is also in like...10% of his power or even less.

Just want to note that Decade easily be kill when he weakened not full power

 

[Jamesthetaker]

By the way i want to ask something about Decade when battle against Ohma zi-o can he be consider is be weakened since Another Decade still exist so he will only have 50% power.It also show at the night before the fight his body start to disappear so that he already start to death(9:45-10:00)

【ENGLISH SUB - Episode 03/03】 Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade 2020 | TokuZilla.Net

ENGLISH SUB - FULL SERIES 03/03Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade is the third installment of the Kamen Rider Zi-O Spin-off series that focuses on Sougo Tokiwa. It is labeled 7 Different Zi-O! Rider Time: Kamen Rider Zi-O VS Decade The world is ravaged by ravenous monsters and high school...

tokuzilla.net

I'm pretty sure that Decade is at his full power based on the fact that he's using Complete 21, his strongest form ever.

Another Decade still exists is probably a side consequence of Ohma Zi-O reseting reality back, which incidentally return Another Decade power.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Just want to note that Decade easily be kill when he weakened not full power

And Oma is experiencing space-time cancer.

 

[Lonkitt]

I'm pretty sure that Decade is at his full power based on the fact that he's using Complete 21, his strongest form ever.

Another Decade still exists is probably a side consequence of Ohma Zi-O reseting reality back, which incidentally return Another Decade power.

Pretty much. This was Decade at his absolute strongest, which is more support for why Ohma Zi-O is so powerful as while weakened, he totally washed Complete 21 Decade