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Kamen Rider 50th Anniversary Discussion Thread

IxaSaga2 said:
I guess this can be used for Super Sentai as well if anyone wants.
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Might as well post this here, then. Grain of salt is recommended. I'm not really sure where this came from since I haven't check Zenkaiger spoiler thread on 5ch for a while now.
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The relationship of "Dark and Light" seems very plausible since Shirakura-P is the producer for both Agito and Zenkaiger.
 
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Episode 37:

- Solomon opened one of the books in the sky. It turned the whole city into dust. It didn't affect any of the riders though.

- Caliber tried to pull a Nightwolf from MK. Solomon using his full power couldn't escape from it. Ed Saber severed the attack and redirected it towards the book, destroying it.

- Solomon was able to deflect all of base Saikou's attacks which are sub-light speed.

- Saikou (Yuri) was able to draw Kurayami to duel wield Saikou (Sword) and Kurayami. Does this mean Saikou (Yuri) can have both Saikou (Sword) and Kurayami in the profile?

- Using Saikou and Kurayami can make a black hole sort of thing. Solomon broke out of it eventually.

Other than that, the episode is more story focused. Saber def. Kenzan and Solomon def. ED Saber, THS Blades and Caliber but all these aren't a surprise.

Scaling Chain won't be changed but looks like Caliber and Saikou both have an ace up their sleeves.
 
Episode 39:

Solomon had a barrier which disintegrated 4 rider's finishers.

Touma killed Falchion with Awakened Rekka. Unsure whether Bacht is fully dead but since his actor got his flowers and he left his sword behind, he might be fully dead. This means that Awakened Rekka can negate immortality (Type 1 and 4).

No shot. Touma (human form btw) duel wielded Rekka and Kyomu reflected and destroyed Solomon's finisher (Solomon Slash). Kyomu could also be Awakened because it was glowing when Touma used it.

Touma states that Solomon's sword is weak and he doesn't feel anything from it.

All the swords should be awakened by now.

Xross Saber debuts, ITS ******* GORGEOUS.

Xross Saber debut:

- Xross Saber utilizes all Seiken besides Kyomu. First thing his does is use his finisher (Haou Xross Sei Retsuzan), he summoned the 10 seiken and they flew across the world and destroyed all the books that were destroying the world. Then, he used his finisher (Haou Sousei Zan) to rebuild the the cities around the world.

- Solomon summoned 12 Caladbolgs and they turned into their own versions of King Arthur Mechs.

- Xross Saber SPAMS finishers. Gekido + Ikazuchi (Xross Slash) : Gekido is basically Buster's finisher (Big sword slash) and Ikazuchi was a danmaku. Hayate + Suzune (Xross Slash) : Hayate is Kenzan's finisher except Hayate splits into the twin blades mode from its shuriken mode and Suzune was a giant beam from Suzune's Gun mode. Rekka (Xross Slash) : Rekka split into 7 and blocks the Calaborg Mechs' attacks. Looks like Xross Saber can summon any number of each Seiken.

- He finishes the remaining Caladbolgs and Solomon with Haou Sousei Zan. This time instead of reconstruction, it was an Aoe move.

Desast grabs Kyomu. Oh boy.

Updated Scaling Chain:

Saber (Pre-Rekka Awakening) = Blades = Espada < 2 Volume Saber, Blades and Espada < 3 Volumes Saber, Blades and Espada ~ Buster (Pre-Southern Base), Slash (Pre-Southern Base), Kenzan (Pre-Southern Base) < Saber Dragon Arthur =< Calibur (Daichi) =< Saber Dragon Alangina =< Crimson Dragon Saber = Dragon Eagle Arthur Saber = Fantastic Lion Blades = Golden Alangina Espada ~ Buster Genbu Jackun = Slash Hansel Bremen = Kenzan Ninja Butasan << Calibur Jaou Dragon (Daichi) << Dragonic Knight Saber (Pre-Rekka Awakening) = Base Saber (Awakened Rekka) = Buster (Southern Base) = Slash (Southern Base) = Kenzan (Southern Base) = Base Blades (Southern Base) << Crimson Dragon Saber = Fantastic Lion Blades =< Buster Genbu Jackun = Slash Hansel Bremen = Kenzan Ninja Butasan =< Dragonic Knight Saber (Awakened Rekka) = King Lion Daisenki Blades (Pre-Awakened Nagare) =< Saikou/Shadow <<< Saikou X-Swordsman =< Calibur Jaaku Dragon (Kento) < Calibur Jaou Dragon (Kento) =< Sabela = Primitive Dragon Saber < Elemental Dragon Saber = King Lion Daisenki Blades (Dual Wielding Awakened Nagare and Awakened Rekka) =< Durandal < Tategami Hyoujuu Senki Blades =< Falchion < Emotional Dragon Saber w/amps <<<<< Solomon <<<<< Xross Saber

Xross Saber hard stomped Solomon and his Caladbolgs.
 
My memory is a bit of hazy but i do remember that untransformed Aruto survived a fall from the building in RealxEyes movie, which could upgrade his durability.
 
His fall was cushioned by his Rider Model and he was knocked out immediately after.

As for speed, his reaction time is insanely faster than his movement and combat. Being able to learn how to fight and have a conversation in under 5 seconds.
 
Cloozuma said:
This is not just a speed feat, this is also an intelligence feat.
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How is it not a speed feat but instead an intelligence feat. His mind is being linked up with Zea and he literally sees time slower than he can move.

Edit: Just noticed I didn’t read it correctly. Thought you said it wouldn’t be a speed feat. But how would it be a intelligence feat?
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Also this?
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Is it the time when he threw the sword into the wall?
 
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BERRIES555 said:
How is it not a speed feat but instead an intelligence feat. His mind is being linked up with Zea and he literally sees time slower than he can move.

Edit: Just noticed I didn’t read it correctly. Thought you said it wouldn’t be a speed feat. But how would it be a intelligence feat?

Is it the time when he threw the sword into the wall?
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1. Nvm, just got the idea that being able to talk and have a conversation is a intel feat.

2. Idk, but the wiki shows this:

Above Average Physical Strength: Though rarely demonstrated, Aruto has shown to perform extraordinary feats of resilience and strength when in critical situation, like withstanding a blow from the Attache Calibur to his shoulder untransformed and later throwing the same weapon with enough speed and precision to stop a blast from Behru as Kamen Rider Lucifer from killing Rihito Isshiki a short distance away. Moreover, he is able to hold back Isamu Fuwa, who has extraordinary physical strength, and a transformed Horobi before transforming himself.

I don't consider the last part to be a AP feat.
 
Right so, Aruto might have some inconsistencies with his civilian dura then. Took a city level attack to the shoulder but later being knocked out by a wall level fall.

Throwing the Attaché Calibur into the wall would be like Street Level. Shouldn’t be difficult to do when we know the sword is sharp enough to easily pierce a wall.
 
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Right so, Aruto might have some inconsistencies with his civilian dura then. Took a city level attack to the shoulder but later being knocked out by a wall level fall.
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It if happened once then it's a outlier or a stamina feat. Aruto still shown above person strength btw.
 
Episode 39:

It's a more of a breather episode, but some characters show new abilities.

- Sabela can make clones.

- Solomon can make his own battlefield with Solomon Zone. Looks like Solomon can use the other elements as well.

- Xross Saber easily reacted to all of Solomon's attacks which includes thunderbolts.

- Crimson Saber debuts! It's basically a buffed up version of Crimson Dragon Saber.
 
Episode 40:

Isaac is already mentally destroyed before the series even began but with each episode, he gets even more unstable. His actor does a great job portraying that in these couple of episodes.

- Solomon has Body Puppetry

Touma and Kento getting so happy is really cute.

Kento has given Kurayami to Yuri. Yuri has the combined powers of Caliber and Saikou now.

- Solomon's attacks can cross from Earth to the Wonder World via Solomon Zone. He all enlarged and stretched his arms similar to Wizard.

- Sabela made a smoke projection of herself to send a message to the Northern Base from the Southern Base. Wait, can projections even use the portals? Did her ability reached from South to North Pole?

- Solomon automatically knew where both Tassel and Luna were in the Wonder World. No one knew where Luna was and Tassel was trying to find her.

- Solomon set Durandal to attack Sabela so he doesn't need to be there to control him.

- Sabela made a spider-web to immobilize Durandal. Durandal got out of it easily.

- Saikou once again reflected Solomon's attack with his blade and Kurayami but Solomon sealed him via Solomon Break. This results in Solomon gaining both Saikou and Kurayami. Solomon with Saikou and Kurayami is still not enough to beat Xross Saber, THS Blades and Espada Golden Alangina.

- Espada is back and Golden Alangina can hurt Solomon. This is probably, much like him being Caliber, Kento being extremely skilled now.

- Xross Saber destroyed the move (BFR? Black Hole? Idk) that Saikou and Kurayami can do together.

- Xross Saber is immune to Solomon's Body Puppetry.

- Wait, Golden Alangina Espada and THS Blades can hurt Xross Saber.

Saber, Blades and Espada roast tf out of Solomon.

- Blades and Espada have enough willpower to resist Solomon's Body Puppetry. Saikou also has enough willpower to break free of his seal.

- Solomon used Kurayami's power to trap Saber, Blades and Espada but Saikou cut them out and Blades and Espada broke free of Solomon's control.

- Durandal also had enough willpower to resist Solomon's control.

- Featuring Saber Debuts!! This form is really interesting. First, it de-transforms Blades and Espada. Looks like Featuring Saber can use all the powers of Brave Dragon, Lion Senki and Lamp do Alangina books but the interesting part is that Rintaro and Kento can assist by using their respective swords to control their respective books that is on Saber's body. So Rintaro can control the Lion Senki part and Kento can control the Lamp do Alagina part.

- Featuring Saber destroys the Omnipotent Book but it restores itself.

Yoooo, I never would've imagined Sabela crying and Durandal smiling? Impossible.

OPE THAT ENDING.

Crazy episode, tons of feels.

Updated Scaling Chain:

Saber (Pre-Rekka Awakening) = Blades = Espada < 2 Volume Saber, Blades and Espada < 3 Volumes Saber, Blades and Espada ~ Buster (Pre-Southern Base), Slash (Pre-Southern Base), Kenzan (Pre-Southern Base) < Saber Dragon Arthur =< Calibur (Daichi) =< Saber Dragon Alangina =< Crimson Dragon Saber = Dragon Eagle Arthur Saber = Fantastic Lion Blades = Golden Alangina Espada ~ Buster Genbu Jackun = Slash Hansel Bremen = Kenzan Ninja Butasan << Calibur Jaou Dragon (Daichi) << Dragonic Knight Saber (Pre-Rekka Awakening) = Base Saber (Awakened Rekka) = Buster (Southern Base) = Slash (Southern Base) = Kenzan (Southern Base) = Base Blades (Southern Base) << Crimson Dragon Saber = Fantastic Lion Blades =< Buster Genbu Jackun = Slash Hansel Bremen = Kenzan Ninja Butasan =< Dragonic Knight Saber (Awakened Rekka) = King Lion Daisenki Blades (Pre-Awakened Nagare) =< Saikou/Shadow <<< Buster (Solomon Arc) = Slash (Solomon Arc) = Kenzan (Solomon Arc) =< Saikou X-Swordsman =< Calibur Jaaku Dragon (Kento) < Calibur Jaou Dragon (Kento) =< Sabela = Primitive Dragon Saber < Elemental Dragon Saber = King Lion Daisenki Blades (Dual Wielding Awakened Nagare and Awakened Rekka) =< Durandal < Tategami Hyoujuu Senki Blades = Golden Alangina Espada (Awakened Ikazuchi) =< Falchion < Emotional Dragon Saber w/amps <<<<< Saikou X Swordsman (Dual Wielding Saikou and Kurayami) < Solomon <<<<< Xross Saber =< Crimson Saber < Featuring Saber

THS Blades and especially Golden Alangina Espada are wayyyyy weaker than Xross Saber but is now able to take on Solomon and hurt Xross Saber. In the Xross Saber, Blades and Espada vs Solomon fight, it's not even Xross Saber carrying the fight. Blades and Espada did just as much as Saber did. And in the Slash and Buster vs Durandal fight, Buster and Slash were able to hold Durandal back from killing Sabela but didn't want to fight him. Blades, Espada, Buster, Slash and Saikou have all shown that they are stronger. Idk where to put Blades and Espada because idk how they would compare to the previous riders because basically everyone are allies now. For now, I'll put Espada somewhere on THS Blades level. I'll put Buster, Slash and Kenzan behind Saikou X-Swordsman because they have improved since then but have yet to shown something that puts them above Saikou. Saikou dual-wielding himself and Kurayami however are consistently shown to be able to handle multiple of Solomon's abilities but never beaten him. So I'll put him below Solomon.

Xross Saber and Crimson Saber is similar. According to the specs, Crimson Saber is stronger but slower than Xross Saber. Since Crimson Saber has the ability advantage, I'll put Xross Saber =< Crimson Saber. Featuring Saber on the other hand outperforms both.
 
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The part between Sabela and Durandal was so emotional, good job for the writer made their redemption more worth it

And Storious confirmed to be the true antagonist of Saber
 
Saber, Blades, Espada would be the ones to contribute to Solomon's defeat. Saikou also contributed and is the only other rider besides the main three to do anything to Solomon especially now Kurayami is with Saikou. Note that Caliber is way weaker than Solomon but has a move that even Solomon can't break out of.
 
Episode 41:

-Desast turns into Falchion!

-Desast as Falchion wields both Kyomu and his own blade which is called the Grudge Dent.

A bunch of lore just got dumped in this episode. I think Saber's story is not something that can be told in 50 episodes + some specials. This is one of those series that can be so much more than what it is but unfortunately doesn't have the resources to do so. They have a big cast to build up. People like Slash, Blades, Espada, Saikou, Shindai Clan, etc. all have a speck of backstory that are introduced in show that is able to be built into something great. The only exception is Buster because he has an ongoing manga. Not only that, but things like the Megids (both the generals and regular ones), Tassel, Wonder World, Avalon, Desast and Kenzan's relationship, etc. already have a bunch of lore, backstory and mythos that can be expanded upon but is only regulated to fan theories and head canons because this is information that is unable to be completely told in a 50 episode show. Instead, we have most of the cast without a backstory or a story. If they have one, it's incredibly brief which is told in one or two scenes. This show is only told through Touma's lens and some of Rintaro's and Kento's but other than that, there's not much more. I like the show and enjoy the cast but I can't help but think that this is such a shame but it is what it is.

-Anyways, Falchion can use both Phoenix Unrivaled Slash and Calamity Strike at the same time.

-Falchion fought Storious and Charybdis Megid for a long time but is forced to retreat after Charybdis ate half his body and a chunk of his Wonder Ridebook.

-Looks like Charybdis Megid can copy the abilities of anyone it eats. He can now use all of Desast's moves. He can also regenerate like Desast does but it can already do that without needing to eat Desast.

-This time, Crimson Saber fought alongside Buster and Slash to defeat Charybdis. We also see Saber making another Gekidou and Suzune for both Buster and Slash to dual wield while Saber dual-wielded Xross Saber and Rekka.
 
Well, we got Poseidon and Abyss but they're minor characters and I'm pretty sure this is Megalodon. So far, I'm really digging the motif.
 
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