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Kaguya’s Big Black Balls Solo Dbz Part 1/3

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sageof8paths said:
Intro:
It was advised that this thread that it be split into 3 threads for more efficient arguing.

The current interpretation of Kaguya’s ETSO (Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb) in relation to its size and scale is flawed when considering the statements and narrative in the series.

These series of threads aims to clarify these misunderstandings. Part one focuses on issues with the accepted calculation of Kaguya’s dimensions.

Section 1: Problems with the Current Calculation

It has been established that Kaguya’s planet experiences day and night cycles, implying it revolves around a sun, which requires space for the revolution around sun within the dimension.

The current calc uses the distance from Earth to the sun as the radius of the ETSO.

However, this approach is incorrect because the ETSO expands omnidirectionally from the planet outward, not specifically towards the sun.

For the calc to be valid, the sun would need to be at the center of the ETSO, but we know this is false since the orb grows from the planet itself.

Therefore, the correct radius should be twice the distance between the planet and the sun, as the space for the revolution around the sun should be the radius of the Etso

Here is an image explaining what I mean:


This these would be the updated values for the etso:

Distance from earth to sun: 149.2 million km

Etso radius≈ 300 million km (since the etso was going to destroy the sun as well, but just the distance between it and earth)

Volume= 4/3(pie)(r)^3
Volume= 1.13x10^26 km^3
Volume in m^3 =1.13x 10^35 m^3

Original calc Multiplier :
(1.13e+35)(1.3444672e+14)
Etso= 1.5192479e+49 or Solar System level

Part two will go over the timeframe of the attack because 15 years is utter nonsense

Edit:
Agree: Arc7kuroi, Uchihaslayer, Ghostimuscrime, Medeus, Davidttpm

Neutral:

Disagree: hellothere
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The logic seems fine to me but I have limited knowledge on stuff like this so...
 
Qawsedf234 said:
It having a star gives you the same thing afaik. The assumption would still be our pocket dimension standards and not double the orbital rotation.


The thing with destroying a pocket dimension is that there's no space after the edge. Like once you hit the end of the pocket there's literally nothing there spatially. So even if you did want to go with an argument of a planetary rotation, the volume of the sphere can never be more than the estimated volume of the pocket dimension since it would be physically restrained by those limits.

Or to use an example, a 10 gallon bucket can only ever hold 10 gallons. You can stuff more gallons in that bucket because there's no space for it.
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There are no canonical strict confines on whether the celestial bodies are at the edge of the dimensions
 
Btw Sage I still disagree with your interpretation regardless of your recent reply. I just can't make time to engage in CRTs any further. Apologies for any confusion.
 
sageof8paths said:
Intro:
It was advised that this thread that it be split into 3 threads for more efficient arguing.

The current interpretation of Kaguya’s ETSO (Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb) in relation to its size and scale is flawed when considering the statements and narrative in the series.

These series of threads aims to clarify these misunderstandings. Part one focuses on issues with the accepted calculation of Kaguya’s dimensions.

Section 1: Problems with the Current Calculation

It has been established that Kaguya’s planet experiences day and night cycles, implying it revolves around a sun, which requires space for the revolution around sun within the dimension.

The current calc uses the distance from Earth to the sun as the radius of the ETSO.

However, this approach is incorrect because the ETSO expands omnidirectionally from the planet outward, not specifically towards the sun.

For the calc to be valid, the sun would need to be at the center of the ETSO, but we know this is false since the orb grows from the planet itself.

Therefore, the correct radius should be twice the distance between the planet and the sun, as the space for the revolution around the sun should be the radius of the Etso

Here is an image explaining what I mean:


This these would be the updated values for the etso:

Distance from earth to sun: 149.2 million km

Etso radius≈ 300 million km (since the etso was going to destroy the sun as well, but just the distance between it and earth)

Volume= 4/3(pie)(r)^3
Volume= 1.13x10^26 km^3
Volume in m^3 =1.13x 10^35 m^3

Original calc Multiplier :
(1.13e+35)(1.3444672e+14)
Etso= 1.5192479e+49 or Solar System level

Part two will go over the timeframe of the attack because 15 years is utter nonsense

Edit:
Agree: Arc7kuroi, Uchihaslayer, Ghostimuscrime, Medeus, Davidttpm

Neutral:

Disagree: hellothere
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I think this can be passed right?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
It having a star gives you the same thing afaik. The assumption would still be our pocket dimension standards and not double the orbital rotation.


The thing with destroying a pocket dimension is that there's no space after the edge. Like once you hit the end of the pocket there's literally nothing there spatially. So even if you did want to go with an argument of a planetary rotation, the volume of the sphere can never be more than the estimated volume of the pocket dimension since it would be physically restrained by those limits.

Or to use an example, a 10 gallon bucket can only ever hold 10 gallons. You can stuff more gallons in that bucket because there's no space for it.
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Heyy, any final vote?
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
are you agreeing because you like kaguya or because the argument is sound
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Because argument is good
There shouldn't be any biasing in voting

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Perfect this can be applied, I shall do the honors but before that

Math Fix

Full Value = 1.5192479e+49 J or 0.15192479 MegaFoe (stated in OP)
EPS = FV divided by 15 years

15 Years = 4.734e+8 seconds
1.5192479e+49 J /4.734e+8
= 3.2078×10^40 J or 7.664 Quettatons (Small Star Level)
 
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I undid the change from this thread to Kaguya's profile because it was linking to a forum post for the justification instead of a calc blog. Make sure calc changes like that are in a blog.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Any source of white light could do this; it doesn't need to be the sun or a star.
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we've passed this years ago gang 😭

yes any source CAN but the likelihood of a ginormous touch existing at the ceiling of her planet to conveniently illuminate the whole world to mimic real life blue skies is less than a naturally existing star, especially given we've seen stars exist in her other worlds before.

Basic Occams Razor Stuff
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
we've passed this years ago gang 😭

yes any source CAN but the likelihood of a ginormous touch existing at the ceiling of her planet to conveniently illuminate the whole world to mimic real life blue skies is less than a naturally existing star, especially given we've seen stars exist in her other worlds before.

Basic Occams Razor Stuff
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That doesn't make sense. By your reasoning, a person would have to create a star or the dimension wouldn't have light, as they wouldn't create a giant white light screen to illuminate the entire planet. The blue comes from the atmosphere, so they don't need to create a light source to mimic Earth's blue; they just need to create a white light source, something plausible.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
That doesn't make sense. By your reasoning, a person would have to create a star or the dimension wouldn't have light, as they wouldn't create a giant white light screen to illuminate the entire planet. The blue comes from the atmosphere, so they don't need to create a light source to mimic Earth's blue; they just need to create a white light source, something plausible.
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This thread is already done. If you want to downgrade the feat, create a new CRT.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
That doesn't make sense. By your reasoning, a person would have to create a star or the dimension wouldn't have light, as they wouldn't create a giant white light screen to illuminate the entire planet. The blue comes from the atmosphere, so they don't need to create a light source to mimic Earth's blue; they just need to create a white light source, something plausible.
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If you wish to be insistent on denial about this refer to what Samlex said, I do not wish to argue about the same thing that's been rejected many times
 
Damage3245 said:
I undid the change from this thread to Kaguya's profile because it was linking to a forum post for the justification instead of a calc blog. Make sure calc changes like that are in a blog.
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So I made the changes, if you feel that the problems are fixed kindly lock her profile 🙏🏽
 
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