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Jujutsu Kaisen: Yuta Okkotsu Revamp

Maitreya said:
Yuta can be weaker than Gojo and still be strong enough to damage him. Case in point. Agito is weaker than Gojo and can still damage him. Mahoraga can and has been one shot by Gojo and is still able to damage him, that doesn’t contradict Yuta being able to fight Agito. Yuta being confident in being able to stall both Agito and Mahoraga indicates that he scales, what’s wrong with that.
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He isn't confident look at what he said. He didn't say he would defeat them instead, he mentioned that he and Rika would be effective. It's either he's going to use other techniques to stall for time or go for a risky suicidal move.
Maitreya said:
Yuta was also deemed as the guy that would be needed in order to take down Kenjaku and then come back to fight Sukuna because he was vital to their plan and their insurance. That fact further supports him both being the second strongest and supports his statement of being able to handle the Shikigami.
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If Yuta is strong as you say, he wouldn't need a sneak attack to take down Kenjaku. Also, in the same chapter where Yuta was trying to stall for time for Gojo by dealing with Maho and Agito, Kusakabe, who seems to be their brain in the current fight, outright calls Uraume a monster and warns that it would be dangerous for Yuta. Same Uraume who is currently fighting Hakari. Why ignore this?
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If Hakari is as strong as you say why isn’t he the one who was chosen to fight Kenjaku?

Uruame can be a monster against normals but still be weak fiddles against the likes of Sukuna and Gojo. The same Sukuna Yuta is tasked with dealing with whole Hakari deals with the substantially weaker Uruame.

If Hakari is as strong as you say why is it immediately rebuked by Maki that Yuta is stronger? What reason does Maki have to blatantly lie and say Hakari isn’t stronger than Yuta if he actually is.

Why is Yuta the only one referred to by the narrator as the person who’s second only to Gojo and not Hakari. Why is Yuta seen as the big “insurance” against Sukuna but meanwhile Hakari is left to deal with Uruame, he’s not seen as that kind of insurance Yuta is.

Literally everything in the narrative, story, statements, and the likes support Yuta being stronger. Meanwhile there is nothing and I mean literally nothing that suggests “jackpot Hakari” > Yuta.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
If Yuta is strong as you say, he wouldn't need a sneak attack to take down Kenjaku. Also, in the same chapter where Yuta was trying to stall for time for Gojo by dealing with Maho and Agito, Kusakabe, who seems to be their brain in the current fight, outright calls Uraume a monster and warns that it would be dangerous for Yuta. Same Uraume who is currently fighting Hakari. Why ignore this?
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Kenjaku has a 6m wide gravity well he can cast very fast, so no Yuta didn’t need a sneak attack cuz he’s just far weaker, Yuta did that cuz that’s the plan they set up for Takaba and him.

Kusakabe says monster cuz he’s actually seen what Uraume can do, he isn’t saying it’d be dangerous for Yuta cause Uraume’s some high tier physically. Also just looked at the fight but each time they fight Uraume is constantly using ice attacks to do damage, they don’t go h2h.
 
Maitreya said:
If Hakari is as strong as you say why isn’t he the one who was chosen to fight Kenjaku?
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Because it's not a matter of strength fighting him, it's the matter of more than that. Not everything is based on who hits harder.
Maki was better suited to kill Kenjaku than him, even though Yuta was the leader of the group and you claim he's stronger than everyone else there.
Maitreya said:
If Hakari is as strong as you say why is it immediately rebuked by Maki that Yuta is stronger? What reason does Maki have to blatantly lie and say Hakari isn’t stronger than Yuta if he actually is.
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Because she and most of the other students don't like him. Same reason why her clan calls her Grade 4.
Maitreya said:
Why is Yuta the only one referred to by the narrator as the person who’s second only to Gojo and not Hakari.
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Because he is second, with weird abilities. He has a Shikigami, RCT to heal others, massive CE volume, and a copy technique. Nothing has said so far that he punches the hardest.
Maitreya said:
Why is Yuta seen as the big “insurance” against Sukuna but meanwhile Hakari is left to deal with Uruame, he’s not seen as that kind of insurance Yuta is.
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Yuta has Rika and can copy techniques. Hakari wasn't "left" to deal with Uraume, he chose the fight against Sukuna's second in command
Maitreya said:
Literally everything in the narrative, story, statements, and the likes support Yuta being stronger. Meanwhile there is nothing and I mean literally nothing that suggests “jackpot Hakari” > Yuta.
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Everytime anyone says "everything" you give reasons as to why even less and less things work towards it.
 
In regards to the profile itself, I think abilities look fine but we could sleek down the AP section a lot. All of these statements from other characters are unneeded. Just one from either Gojo or Kenjaku would do, listing his ability to keep up with Ryu and match him briefly directly, and his status as a Special Grade are needed. All that extra stuff just makes the AP section nonsense to get any idea on what values he's scaling to.
 
KingTempest said:
Because it's not a matter of strength fighting him, it's the matter of more than that. Not everything is based on who hits harder.
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Hakari not only punches harder, he’s more durable, he has faster RCT, can spam domain expansions, and is faster than Yuta by orders of magnitudes with how you’re scaling them.

By literally all accounts, Hakari is superior to Yuta in every conceivable way that would be far more suitable to the fight. The way you scale them on the profiles means that there is not a single bullshit hax copy ability Yuta has that would stop him from getting blitzed and one shotted from jackpot Hakari. Yet you’re telling me that these same abilities that wouldn’t be able to do jack all against Hakari’s jackpot is the thing that’s gonna take care of one of the main big bads of the whole series.

You’re telling me that Hakari gets a jackpot and is now the strongest person in the vicinity to face Sukuna, by several orders of magnitude, and is strong enough to at least buy Higuruma time to use the only method they have of killing Sukuna and is literally ******* immortal so he doesn’t have a risk of dying like anyone else, instead chooses to have an extended fight with Sukuna’s lapdog that gets one shot from one punch of Gojo’s?

And Yuta is the guy who’s apparently so much weaker than that very same jackpot Hakari, yet is the one chosen to not only kill Kenjaku but immediately come back to fight Sukuna right afterwards.
KingTempest said:
Because she and most of the other students don't like him. Same reason why her clan calls her Grade 4.
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KT, Her clan calls her a grade 4 because they’re spiteful and bigoted. Because she’s a woman and they hate the fact that she doesn’t have any cursed energy. Meanwhile Hakari is just some dude Maki thinks is dumb. Can you prove Maki is spiteful and bigoted enough towards Hakari that she would actively go to the detriment of lying about their skill set. Because all you’re showing me is a panel where she calls Hakari an idiot, something she calls damn everyone.

These points don’t make sense with how you’re scaling them or with the narrative of the series which outright has statements calling Yuta as a sorcerer second only to Gojo.
 
Maitreya said:
Hakari not only punches harder, he’s more durable, he has faster RCT, can spam domain expansions, and is faster than Yuta by orders of magnitudes with how you’re scaling them.

By literally all accounts, Hakari is superior to Yuta in every conceivable way that would be far more suitable to the fight. The way you scale them on the profiles means that there is not a single bullshit hax copy ability Yuta has that would stop him from getting blitzed and one shotted from jackpot Hakari. Yet you’re telling me that these same abilities that wouldn’t be able to do jack all against Hakari’s jackpot is the thing that’s gonna take care of one of the main big bads of the whole series.

You’re telling me that Hakari gets a jackpot and is now the strongest person in the vicinity to face Sukuna, by several orders of magnitude, and is strong enough to at least buy Higuruma time to use the only method they have of killing Sukuna and is literally ******* immortal so he doesn’t have a risk of dying like anyone else, instead chooses to have an extended fight with Sukuna’s lapdog that gets one shot from one punch of Gojo’s?

And Yuta is the guy who’s apparently so much weaker than that very same jackpot Hakari, yet is the one chosen to not only kill Kenjaku but immediately come back to fight Sukuna right afterwards.

KT, Her clan calls her a grade 4 because they’re spiteful and bigoted. Because she’s a woman and they hate the fact that she doesn’t have any cursed energy. Meanwhile Hakari is just some dude Maki thinks is dumb. Can you prove Maki is spiteful and bigoted enough towards Hakari that she would actively go to the detriment of lying about their skill set. Because all you’re showing me is a panel where she calls Hakari an idiot, something she calls damn everyone.

These points don’t make sense with how you’re scaling them or with the narrative of the series which outright has statements calling Yuta as a sorcerer second only to Gojo.
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Everyone would have dead if Hakari didn't kept Uraume out of range from Higuruma and others what do you mean by Hakari is not assisting Others? Tell me one character from the current list of characters who are fighting Sukuna handling Uraume on their own. Only one who is perfect counter for Uraume is Hakari because of Regeneration and immortality. None of them got those.
 
Arkenis said:
Kenjaku has a 6m wide gravity well he can cast very fast, so no Yuta didn’t need a sneak attack cuz he’s just far weaker, Yuta did that cuz that’s the plan they set up for Takaba and him.
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To be fair, Kenjaku realized this at the last moment and turned to face Yuta with gravity manipulation. However, Yuta, who had already been preparing to sneak up on him, came from behind. So it's not technically a face to face blitz like everyone making it.
Arkenis said:
Kusakabe says monster cuz he’s actually seen what Uraume can do, he isn’t saying it’d be dangerous for Yuta cause Uraume’s some high tier physically. Also just looked at the fight but each time they fight Uraume is constantly using ice attacks to do damage, they don’t go h2h.
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I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not saying Uraume is physically strong. I'm pointing out that overall, Uraume isn't some fodder, like how everyone is trying to make her out to be. For example, saying Hakari is fighting Uraume, so he must be weak, doesn't make sense. That's what I was trying to say.
 
Maitreya said:
Hakari not only punches harder, he’s more durable, he has faster RCT, can spam domain expansions, and is faster than Yuta by orders of magnitudes with how you’re scaling them.

By literally all accounts, Hakari is superior to Yuta in every conceivable way that would be far more suitable to the fight. The way you scale them on the profiles means that there is not a single bullshit hax copy ability Yuta has that would stop him from getting blitzed and one shotted from jackpot Hakari. Yet you’re telling me that these same abilities that wouldn’t be able to do jack all against Hakari’s jackpot is the thing that’s gonna take care of one of the main big bads of the whole series.

You’re telling me that Hakari gets a jackpot and is now the strongest person in the vicinity to face Sukuna, by several orders of magnitude, and is strong enough to at least buy Higuruma time to use the only method they have of killing Sukuna and is literally ******* immortal so he doesn’t have a risk of dying like anyone else, instead chooses to have an extended fight with Sukuna’s lapdog that gets one shot from one punch of Gojo’s?

And Yuta is the guy who’s apparently so much weaker than that very same jackpot Hakari, yet is the one chosen to not only kill Kenjaku but immediately come back to fight Sukuna right afterwards.
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The way you word it is so powerfully one sided

Jackpot Hakari punches harder, is more durable, has faster RCT for 5 minutes, can spam domain expansions, has rough CE, and is faster.
For less than 5 minutes.

Also remove that orders of magnitude bs, nobody agreed to that.

Base Yuta is more skilled, has better control over his CE, has dangerous amounts of CE regularly, can use RCT regularly, is dangerously smarter, can use varying weapons including a cursed tool, more skilled with reinforcement techniques, can hypothetically use Black Flash, and whatever else we haven't seen.
Forever.

This Yuta without Rika is what the OP is saying is superior to Jackpot Hakari.

Now add Rika
Can summon a Shikigami who hits harder and is more durable, can supply him with nigh-infinite CE, can assist him to almost match a blast from what we know is the strongest attack in history, can amplify his strength, can give him the ability to copy techniques, lets Yuta tell people to die and they'll die, and can open domain expansions. Rika originally was the one who allowed him to be a special grade sorcerer before he ever picked up a sword.

You keep saying "he's chosen to kill Kenjaku" but Hakari is also stated to be on that level to where his existence stops Kenjaku's plans, and Maki was also a choice that could go and take down Kenjaku.

You guys are trying to say that a casual Yuta without Rika and just using a sword and reinforcement is stronger than Hakari when he's gifted with infinite CE.

I will always disagree with that.
Maitreya said:
KT, Her clan calls her a grade 4 because they’re spiteful and bigoted. Because she’s a woman and they hate the fact that she doesn’t have any cursed energy. Meanwhile Hakari is just some dude Maki thinks is dumb. Can you prove Maki is spiteful and bigoted enough towards Hakari that she would actively go to the detriment of lying about their skill set. Because all you’re showing me is a panel where she calls Hakari an idiot, something she calls damn everyone.

These points don’t make sense with how you’re scaling them or with the narrative of the series which outright has statements calling Yuta as a sorcerer second only to Gojo.
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You're saying the statement of a dude who said "bro is stronger than me" is false cause a completely unrelated person who hasn't seen either of those characters in god knows how long says "no".

You need to prove Maki knows her shit
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
To be fair, Kenjaku realized this at the last moment and turned to face Yuta with gravity manipulation. However, Yuta, who had already been preparing to sneak up on him, came from behind. So it's not technically a face to face blitz like everyone making it.
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I acknowledged it was a sneak attack not a blitz

EldemadeDityjon said:
I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not saying Uraume is physically strong. I'm pointing out that overall, Uraume isn't some fodder, like how everyone is trying to make her out to be. For example, saying Hakari is fighting Uraume, so he must be weak, doesn't make sense. That's what I was trying to say.
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Ah I guess I misunderstood, but I thought this was about striking strength not overall.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Tell me one character from the current list of characters who are fighting Sukuna handling Uraume on their own.
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Remember that time Uruame barely blocked Choso’s piercing blood, said how fast it was, and then was immediately incapacitated afterwards because of that singular shot from Choso?
 
Maitreya said:
Remember that time Uruame barely blocked Choso’s piercing blood, said how fast it was, and then was immediately incapacitated afterwards because of that singular shot from Choso?
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She currently has information on Choso blood manipulation. Kusakabe and Yuji already lost to Uraume ice manipulation & Yuji was needed for court case even if you say he can resist to some extent, so he is not usable. The same goes for Maki, if Uraume spams ice manipulation, let's go with max output like Culling game still, Maki loses. Ino? You want Ino to fight Uraume? What's stopping Uraume from casually freezing all of them, just like in Shibuya before anyone tries to poison them? Nothing. The only suitable character currently capable of keeping up with her is Hakari with his automatic fastest RCT in the verse.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
For the record, I never stated that. I’m always of the belief that Full Power Yuta (meaning Rika & co) > JP Hakari.
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Your profile shows otherwise. If you want to say w/ Rika, then note that in the profile. Don't say
Attack Potency: A1 (Stronger than Hakari), A2 at full power
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Then say
Full Power Yuta > Hakari
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Your profile doesn't talk about the amps given by Yuta. It talks about Yuta regularly.
 
KingTempest said:
Your profile shows otherwise. If you want to say w/ Rika, then note that in the profile. Don't say

Then say

Your profile doesn't talk about the amps given by Yuta. It talks about Yuta regularly.
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Because all the characters when they talk about Yuta obviously mean his full skill set. They know about Rika, lol.
 
If People wants to really count feats. Let me know if I missed anything.

Yutas feats

Casual feats (Not counting Rika manifestation amps) when he fought Cockroach Cursed Spirit, Ryu and Uro he was already connected to Rika and she was protecting the people at stadium
  • Damaged Yuji with his kick and Katana & could contend with Yuji.
  • Killed Dhruv who is Shikigami user
  • Sneaked and killed Kenjaku
  • Knocked down Choso
With maintaining connection with Rika or Full manifested Rika.
  • Fought Cockroach Curse, Ryu and Uro
  • Fought Geto
Hakari feats

Casual / Base Hakari.
Jackpot Hakari feats
  • One shoted Charles
  • Fought Kashimo
  • Currently fighting Uraume
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
How do I reflect Yuta’s hax and ability in his AP section, exactly?
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what ever hax are higher ap put higher with (insert), far higher with (insert)

I would say he's higher with gauntlets, and granite blast. Then far higher in domain. and even higher with Black Flash.

Large Town level (Was able to fight Suguru Geto and punched him hard enough to make him bleed), far higher with Rika's limit removed (Rika's power clashed and overpowered Geto's Maximum Uzumaki which combined all of his curses into one. Geto also implied he'd have a 99% chance of beating the Jujutsu Society with Rika) | At least Small City level (Fought against numerous First Grade Sorcerers while holding back. Repeatedly clashed with Ryu Ishigori. Gojo believes he'll be as good as him someday), higher with Gauntlets, far higher in Domain Expansion

this from my sandbox of him but can just add on
 
Arkenis said:
This is insane lmao.

Ya can just put his other statements and accomplishments. then to end the info just put "And he's likely stronger than a Jackpot Hakari though the validity of this is unknown)

(6 pages about Yuta is insane)
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KT already suggested this in second page & we could have ended it all but Yuta > Jackpot Hakari agenda started after that. You can check the replies from here.
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Jujutsu Kaisen: Yuta Okkotsu Revamp

Why would be about Hakari when he wasn't even in Jujutsu high at the time? Everyone knows he was kicked out of the school a year ago. Who’s the other third year in Jujutsu High?
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Duedate8898 said:
The sandbox only mentions Hakari once! And that's in reference to Todo. This shouldn't be a problem in the slightest! Why are we making a problem out of nothing!?
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Even by Kenjaku, he acknowledges Yuta leads Jujutsu’s High’s heavy hitters, and Jujutsu High’s no.2.
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This jujutsu high no. 02 misleading. Should be removed.
Check below for explanation why this misleading.
EldemadeDityjon said:
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Official translation stated about CE. If you disagree with official translation should bring the raws and translation source instead of using TCB scans. Now that I checked you are using TCB scans.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
There's another translation from Scanpia that says the same thing about the amount of CE, not the strength.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
The official translation and Scanpia are both clear.it's about Cursed Energy amount, not strength. Sukuna has the highest CE in Shinjuku, with Yuta in second place. That's the context. Calling it strength doesn't make sense, as there's no statement in that chapter about strength. Kenjaku mentions keeping an eye on Jujutsu High. It's easy to track Yuta if he leaves Shinjuku due to his massive CE, as Kenjaku points out. He also mentions Maki and Mei Mei's brother as concerns. Maki lacks CE, making her hard to track, supported by Kusakabe's later statement on her for assassination. Mei Mei's brother has teleportation. All these details reveal Kenjaku's plans to keep tabs on them. Using the CE statement out of context is misleading.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
You didn't. Bring the raws or use official translation as it states instead of using TCB scans. There are two Sources debunks your scans
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I already told you why I used TCB instead of Werry. I have no problem using raws but that doesn’t detract from the fact that no.2 doesn’t refer to cursed energy because Kenjaku is talking about the good guys side, as to which Yuta has the most cursed energy.
 
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