Jujutsu Kaisen - Scale

[Ped2018]

Then i don't agree, his domain is very clearly small, it's just said to be a mountain because it looks like a mountain and has the shape of one, but the size is not the same

 

[Ped2018]

Also, Jogo would scale to Dagon, right?! So why all this discussion?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The mountain is small via what?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Also, Jogo would scale to Dagon, right?! So why all this discussion?

Jogo domain = High 7-A
Dagon domain = 7-A

Jogo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dagon

Jogo's feat would make the scale extremely consistent

 

[Ped2018]

via the page very clearly showing that it has the size of a big room

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

via the page very clearly showing that it has the size of a big room

That is only part of the mountain. Where the creator creates dominion is the center of domain

 

[Ped2018]

But we see the top of the mountain on the page though, for me this "Mountain" has the size of a house at best

 

[Ped2018]

Also, we should retire rhe "anime" key for any profile that has it

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Jogo feat
Agree: 9

• Reasons
  • Jogo is extremely stronger than Dagon. Dagon is an entity able of creating an island with a horizon and several mountains, which would make Jogo creating a mountain/vulcan something consistent
  • The domain is described as mountain of iron. The domains have names that symbolize the concept of dimension (The Dagon domain and Gojo domain for exemple) it would make it really a mountain.
  • Jogo has already created small volcanoes, so he can be consistent to create a real mountain/vulcan with one of his strongest abilities

Disagree: 3

• Reasons
  • It is not reliable to use Dagon as a basis for this calculation. The feats are completely different
  • The domain name has no influence on what is. This is not a rule of the verse
  • Creating small volcanoes is completely different than creating a real volcano/mountain.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

But we see the top of the mountain on the page though

In reality it is not possible to see the top of the mountain, the shadow does not allow you to see

 

[Arkenis]

Actually, @LIFE_OF_KING I was thinking why not try the jogo calc based on the anime interpretation?

 

[Arkenis]

It must show a better view

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Jogo has already created small volcanoes, so he can be consistent to create a real mountain/vulcan with one of his strongest abilities

That isn't how that works. That's like claiming "X has already destroyed a city block with a normal attack, so it would be consistent that X can destroy a city with their strongest attack". If the argument was "Jogo can create large volcanoes, then he can obviously create small volcanoes".

On the topic of his volcanoes, is it possible to calculate the energy derived from his basic lava attacks?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That isn't how that works. That's like claiming "X has already destroyed a city block with a normal attack, so it would be consistent that X can destroy a city with their strongest attack". If the argument was "Jogo can create large volcanoes, then he can obviously create small volcanoes".

This is not my argument, it is from someone who used it in the first comments of the discussion

On the topic of his volcanoes, is it possible to calculate the energy derived from his basic lava attacks?

Yeah

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It must show a better view

The anime version changes nothing

 

[PowerToScale]

Spoiler: Strength/Power

In regards to the power/strength of the series I think the Jogo calc is fine, same with the Dagon calc.

I however, disagree with the blackout calc, that was more akin to Geto releasing over 10 million curses which caused havoc around the city, which in turn caused a blackout. I am indifferent with the finger bearer.

I also think that for now in the story that characters stats should scale to their domain levels, for example Jogo being High 7-A while in his domain. I don't think it contradicts the story and it has been stated that domains grant a boost in stats.

Spoiler: Hax

The Hax look fine to me for the most part. However, I agree that they should not get matter and space resistance for surviving Red or Blue for reasons above.

Spoiler: Speed

I believe the Maki calc is valid but the black flash is not. I did the same thing not completely understanding how it worked.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Jogo feat

Agree: 8
Disagree: 3

Apparently Jogo's calculation was accepted.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

About the Black Flash multiplier

I explained in the blog the multiplier, does anyone disagree with it?

 

[USklaverei]

Totally, it makes no sense at all.
Either we ignore the multiplier entirely, or we just use a higher

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Well, Itadori could still kill Jogo. And why doesn't it work?

 

[USklaverei]

Because you are trying to get a multiplier from AP calculations, this is not accepted anywhere.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yuji on his own is not stated to be able to kill Jogo.

"However, if he were to receive five of Itadori's Black Flash attacks on top of Todo's energy-infused Playful Cloud strike (as Hanami has at this point), he would die instantly" could either mean "Hanami has higher durability and endurance than Jogo" or "a combination of those attacks could kill him".

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Because you are trying to get a multiplier from AP calculations, this is not accepted anywhere.

Has anyone tried to use this method?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yuji on his own is not stated to be able to kill Jogo.

"However, if he were to receive five of Itadori's Black Flash attacks on top of Todo's energy-infused Playful Cloud strike (as Hanami has at this point), he would die instantly" could either mean "Hanami has higher durability and endurance than Jogo" or "a combination of those attacks could kill him".

The Black Flash still scales to the Jogo AP. The blow would obviously hurt Jogo in this context

 

[Metalballrun]

prove that's a mini volcano.

Probably need to prove that it's an actual large, full-sized Volcano since the "volcano" there looked small.

This should be looked into for the revision people didn’t have major issues in the general thread but that wasn’t everyone.

Are we seriously gonna use the energy Mai used to creating a bullet as an AP with this calc? How does that even work?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Probably need to prove that it's an actual large, full-sized Volcano since the "volcano" there looked small.

So... you disagree to the feat? Bruh

Jogo feat

Agree: 8
Disagree: 4

 

[RageComment]

I disagree with Maki Massively Hypersonic Reactions. Something is going pretty wrong there because we have pretty robust scaling for Supersonic to Hypersonic feats for characters. Guns being used and considered relevant and even a threat. Piercing Blood being supersonic and akin to a gunshot in speed. The fact that no one can use the MHS timeframe of Black Flash at will, they have to be in the zone and be "blessed" by it or lucky.

I also disagree with Black Flash scaling to anyone's reaction times, because this would clearly contradict how it has been explained. It is not a conscious thing the user controls, else they would just pump out BFs every strike they could.

Technically I think using the 2.5x multiplier for BF is actually pretty useful, even if it is a mistranslation,, because using 2.5 as an exponent is absurd.
Bust, ultimately I think "Higher" would be much better to use.

I am neutral on the Jojo feat. It seems rather high but it is within a Domain and being in a Domain amps the user so it wouldn't scale to outside the Domain.

 

[Metalballrun]

It's just how I see it. The volcano just looked small and there seems to be rock formation/walls that are even bigger behind it if I'm not mistaken.
Doesn't Jogo have like, better feats anyways?

Anyways, I'm kinda busy, and I'm more concerned with the speed of the verse for the most of the characters anyways (though I'm neutral/no comment with Black Flash at the moment).

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

We have created a rule for this topic. Discuss one at a time

Technically I think using the 2.5x multiplier for BF is actually pretty useful, even if it is a mistranslation,, because using 2.5 as an exponent is absurd.
Bust, ultimately I think "Higher" would be much better to use.

It doesn't make sense

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Doesn't Jogo have like, better feats anyways?

No, he has no better feats

 

[RageComment]

It doesn't make sense

Why not? a gap of 2.5x is pretty enormous in terms of energy in a fight.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Black Flash is many times superior to Dirvigent Punch, which multiplies the impact by 2. With the site rules Black Flash would be at least a 6 times multiplier

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

And Itadori can damage Jogo with the Black Flash. 2.5 times is too weak

 

[Ped2018]

which multiplies the impact by 2.

no

 

[Ped2018]

Divergent Fist hits 2 TIMES, but it's not a multiplier

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

no

yes. I didn't even know anyone disagreed

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Divergent Fist hits 2 TIMES, but it's not a multiplier

"One strike can equal two blows!"

 

[Ped2018]

yes. I didn't even know anyone disagreed

Yeah. BECAUSE IT HAS TWO IMPACTS INSTEAD OF JUST A NORMAL PUNCH

 

[Metalballrun]

I don't think we can disregard the official canon multiplier, yes. But we need to be careful if it results to calc stacking and/or inflated results.
Like I said, we can hold off discussing speed atm, since the topic is mostly about AP.

If we're talking about this calculation of Jogo then I'm neutral. Does it scale to his stats like striking strength (since I'm iffy about that)? The validity of the calc is up to the calc group (seems like it got accepted though).
I trust Jogo's feats in Shibuya more since they're actually usable for AP like the meteor thing.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah. BECAUSE IT HAS TWO IMPACTS INSTEAD OF JUST A NORMAL PUNCH

"One strike can equal two blows!"