Jujutsu Kaisen Hax & Addition Thread

[Dr._whiteee]

He manipulates space, does he not?

His technique does manipulate space by creating an infinite space, but, in my opinion, the mechanism for this is concept-based. Gojo discusses infinity being a real thing, that he simply brings into reality. Imo he manipulates the concept of infinity that then has an effect on the world which is discussed in this translation of his abilities labeling it as "manipulating the concepts of near and far".

Although, full disclosure, I ran this by Ultima and he said

The way he words it makes me think it's about manipulating the axioms of separation of a topological space, admittedly, but the word 'phase' doesn't really bring anything that'd grant Conceptual Manipulation to mind, no.
[11:02 PM]
Practically speaking it's still just Spatial Manipulation.

So make of my argument what you will. But this was before I discussed the following with him:

I also spoke to Ultima about the nature of reality in JjK and he agreed JjK should get Concept manipulation types 2 & 3. This is due to the soul and body being illusory boundaries of a person's being that are both fundamentally information.

Fake Geto discusses that the soul does not predate the body as Mohito claimed and they are in fact the same. Which is evidenced by technique and the small part of Geto's info that exists in his body. Todou also echoes this sentiment when teaching Yuji about the world.

Ogami's technique was said to summon the information of Toji's body while keeping the information comprising his soul separate. Toji was still able to overcome the process and dominate the possessor's soul with only his "body information" which also allowed him to kill himself vs Megumi.

This would logically extend to curses who are manifestations of abstract emotions and "images" of phenomena.

Why would they have Death Manipulation?

This was from a bad translation of ch. 164. I've rescinded that since viewing the Viz translation.

Also, there are types?

One can impose rules, the other increases lethality by ensuring a hit while in the domain.

 

[Theendzero13]

His technique does manipulate space by creating an infinite space, but, in my opinion, the mechanism for this is concept-based. Gojo discusses infinity being a real thing, that he simply brings into reality. Imo he manipulates the concept of infinity that then has an effect on the world which is discussed in this translation of his abilities labeling it as "manipulating the concepts of near and far".

Although, full disclosure, I ran this by Ultima and he said

So make of my argument what you will. But this was before I discussed the following with him:

I also spoke to Ultima about the nature of reality in JjK and he agreed JjK should get Concept manipulation types 2 & 3. This is due to the soul and body being illusory boundaries of a person's being that are both fundamentally information.

Fake Geto discusses that the soul does not predate the body as Mohito claimed and they are in fact the same. Which is evidenced by technique and the small part of Geto's info that exists in his body. Todou also echoes this sentiment when teaching Yuji about the world.

Ogami's technique was said to summon the information of Toji's body while keeping the information comprising his soul separate. Toji was still able to overcome the process and dominate the possessor's soul with only his "body information" which also allowed him to kill himself vs Megumi.

This would logically extend to curses who are manifestations of abstract emotions and "images" of phenomena.

This was from a bad translation of ch. 164. I've rescinded that since viewing the Viz translation.


One can impose rules, the other increases lethality by ensuring a hit while in the domain.

Can you explain to me why things like conceptual manipulation or abstract existence are so important to the point of so much effort being put to aply or remove it?

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Can you explain to me why things like conceptual manipulation or abstract existence are so important to the point of so much effort being put to aply or remove it?

This is an indexing site. So things should be indexed accurately? Why would not want to remove/add things to make the profiles as accurate as can be?

 

[Theendzero13]

This is an indexing site. So things should be indexed accurately? Why would not want to remove/add things to make the profiles as accurate as can be?

I just find it weird how there is so much emphasis on those, anywhay i agree on curses being abstract , will wait for more opnions for the rest

 

[Arkenis]

cough

downplay

 

[Theendzero13]

Anywhay, kinda of an unrelated topic but does anyone knows how we are gonna call projection sorcery on the profiles

 

[Theendzero13]

cough

Where is resistence to soul manipulation?

 

[Nierre]

cough

 

[Theendzero13]

Do you guys agree with statistic amplification for all domain expansion users, also teleportation for megumi

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree with everything.

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

Do you guys agree with statistic amplification for all domain expansion users, also teleportation for megumi

yeah. gojo states that it amps people.

and it has been shown to amp megumi and dagon.

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

i agree with everything except invulerablity.
Yuji's phyiscal body has been stated multiple times to be a anomaly in the JJK verse. and his CE levels were explicity hightend.

and that shouldnt denie the 4 different times curses have shown incorp

 

[Dr._whiteee]

i agree with everything except invulerablity.
Yuji's phyiscal body has been stated multiple times to be a anomaly in the JJK verse. and his CE levels were explicity hightend.

and that shouldnt denie the 4 different times curses have shown incorp

Do you agree with type 2/3 Concept manip?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The speed thread has already been closed, right? I really don't know, since I later stopped following the discussion

Anyway, I don't think we need to debate about topics like Domains and Gojo's infinity here. The goal of this thread is to be simple and quick, these other topics are extremely complicating.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

It's a hax and additions thread. Wouldn't make much sense to not address them to save time now only to then have to spend that time again in another thread.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

cough

Yes, that reminds me, I need to create a small downgrade thread

 

[Arkenis]

Anywhay, kinda of an unrelated topic but does anyone knows how we are gonna call projection sorcery on the profiles

Nelliels/sandbox4Naobito

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Yes, that reminds me, I need to create a small downgrade thread

Who will get downgraded and why?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Who will get downgraded and why?

It's actually an upgrade (I thought it was a downgrade). But basically, the scale with the domains is vague as hell and cannot be accepted.

I currently have a 6-C feat for Kenjaku, I just need to gather some information. It will be much less vague than the current Tier

 

[Arkenis]

It's actually an upgrade (I thought it was a downgrade). But basically, the scale with the domains is vague as hell and cannot be accepted.

I currently have a 6-C feat for Kenjaku, I just need to gather some information. It will be much less vague than the current Tier

can I see chojuros stone arm calc

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Jujutsu Kaisen - Stone Hand

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Are we actually going to use those interviews with the math professors as evidence? The characters in-universe and the volume notes make it explicitly clear that Satoru just creates a spatial barrier that slows down those who enter his vicinity. If his intent was for Satoru to divide space into infinite fractions or something like that, you would think that Akutami would at least allude to that in the story. Besides, the whole interview seems to be a fun little project the professors did under his request rather than an actual, canonical explanation of these abilities.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Are we actually going to use those interviews with the math professors as evidence? The characters in-universe and the volume notes make it explicitly clear that Satoru just creates a spatial barrier that slows down those who enter his vicinity. If his intent was for Satoru to divide space into infinite fractions or something like that, you would think that Akutami would at least allude to that in the story. Besides, the whole interview seems to be a fun little project the professors did under his request rather than an actual, canonical explanation of these abilities.

Agreed

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

the whole interview seems to be a fun little project the professors did under his request rather than an actual, canonical explanation of these abilities.

Gege only says that the guide has many mathematical concepts and that if necessary it is better to ask for help from a professor

I am neutral about infinity anyway

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Are we actually going to use those interviews with the math professors as evidence? The characters in-universe and the volume notes make it explicitly clear that Satoru just creates a spatial barrier that slows down those who enter his vicinity. If his intent was for Satoru to divide space into infinite fractions or something like that, you would think that Akutami would at least allude to that in the story. Besides, the whole interview seems to be a fun little project the professors did under his request rather than an actual, canonical explanation of these abilities.

Not really. The whole interview was done as a special that Gege specifically set up to give readers an in-depth look into how the abilities work. He literally states his in-volume explanation sucked and that's why he is letting professionals explain it.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Also reposting

I also spoke to Ultima about the nature of reality in JjK and he agreed JjK should get Concept manipulation types 2 & 3. This is due to the soul and body being illusory boundaries of a person's being that are both fundamentally information.

Fake Geto discusses that the soul does not predate the body as Mohito claimed and they are in fact the same. Which is evidenced by technique and the small part of Geto's info that exists in his body. Todou also echoes this sentiment when teaching Yuji about the world.

Ogami's technique was said to summon the information of Toji's body while keeping the information comprising his soul separate. Toji was still able to overcome the process and dominate the possessor's soul with only his "body information" which also allowed him to kill himself vs Megumi.

This would logically extend to curses who are manifestations of abstract emotions and "images" of phenomena.

 

[Arkenis]

Are we actually going to use those interviews with the math professors as evidence? The characters in-universe and the volume notes make it explicitly clear that Satoru just creates a spatial barrier that slows down those who enter his vicinity. If his intent was for Satoru to divide space into infinite fractions or something like that, you would think that Akutami would at least allude to that in the story. Besides, the whole interview seems to be a fun little project the professors did under his request rather than an actual, canonical explanation of these abilities.

Pretty sure he does allude this with the talk of the tortoise and the hare and then also talking about how Gojo brings the infinity into reality. The infinite thing actually comes from the manga.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Also, does anyone know why Gojo and Toji are at Massively Hypersonic+? There’s literally no feat backing this, especially when the rest of the cast is High Hypersonic to Hypersonic now.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

 

[Outcast]

Agree with everything
Sorcerers having some form of controlling their emotions is true
During his fight with Hanami, Yuji gets filled with rage. This causes his CE to go haywire. Then Todo slaps him so that Yuji can gain back control, and all of a sudden he goes calm.

He then uses BF, an extremely complex technique, so its safe to assume he regained control


Accelerated Development : People like Yuji feel right at home during combat, and can grow within moments. This leads Todo to say "hes devouring me!".
During his fight with Choso he could tell whose side the turf was on despite having no clue why.
Maybe some Kenjaku meddling IDK
This is also apparent with
Gojo : When he was on the verge of death, he grasped the core of CE and unlocked his potential.

Also with Megumi stating this :

JJK is a verse that focuses immensely on innate talent, so this is a given.

Agree with the rest as well, esp with Gojo having conceptual manip. IIRC it was stated in the lecture he was a manipulator of local distance or smth

 

[Outcast]

Are we actually going to use those interviews with the math professors as evidence? The characters in-universe and the volume notes make it explicitly clear that Satoru just creates a spatial barrier that slows down those who enter his vicinity. If his intent was for Satoru to divide space into infinite fractions or something like that, you would think that Akutami would at least allude to that in the story. Besides, the whole interview seems to be a fun little project the professors did under his request rather than an actual, canonical explanation of these abilities.

I believe we can use the lecture, it was in Jump Giga and Gege made it so that his viewers can have a good idea of infinity.
And some of this exists in the manga as well. The tortoise and the hare analogy is talking about the potential infinite distances within finite distances.
Gojo also states infinity is the convergence of an infinite series, and that it exists everywhere.

^^ Explained here as well, Gege calls it a convergent series again : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_series
Basically an infinite series compressed to being finite or something

Again he describes it as an infinite series.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

To me it looks like alot of wank... but before I disagree or agree... Need to at least watch the anime

 

[Guardian_Doge]

I don't know a ton on JJK but everything seems well-explained and scans were provided so I agree with all of the propositions.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

To me it looks like alot of wank... but before I disagree or agree... Need to at least watch the anime

So why are you here? What purpose do you have just adding a meaningless comment that adds nothing?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So why are you here? What purpose do you have just adding a meaningless comment that adds nothing?

Shut the f up.... It will make people aware and know that I'm not knowledgeable about this verse but will in the future. If I didn't say this

To me it looks like alot of wank...

You probably wouldn't have said shit, why is that? Unless there is some truth about it.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Shut the f up.... It will make people aware and know that I'm not knowledgeable about this verse but will in the future. If I didn't say this

You probably wouldn't have said shit, why is that? Unless there is some truth about it.

I said it because if you don’t watch the material, why are you here? Derail again and I’ll just report you, as simple as that.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Derail again and I’ll just report you, as simple as that.

You are the one that derailed... I was talking about this thread and verse but you just had to derail because I said it looks like wank.

I said it because if you don’t watch the material, why are you here?

You don't need to, to be here.

 

[Outcast]

To me it looks like alot of wank... but before I disagree or agree... Need to at least watch the anime

What part of it looks like wank?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

You are the one that derailed... I was talking about this thread and verse but you just had to derail because I said it looks like wank.

I asked you why are you here if you don’t know the material, you didn’t answer. So why are you here then? Your comment adds nothing.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What part of it looks like wank?

Resistance to Empathic Manipulation

Conceptual Manipulation

These I don't understand

For Empathic Manipulation it doesn't look like there is enough proof for it

I want incorporeality from the cursed spirts to be replaced by invulnerability, because yuji interacted with one without using cursed energy and megumi found that normal, homever i am pending on them having the non-pasive ability to pass through solid matter

Also Scan?