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Meh, feat looks really vague when it comes to the explosion part, especially since in the next scene when Jogo gets him with a surprise attack, his Infinity is back on
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Jujutsu Kaisen Downgrade
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Well calcs are you using that don't involve Maki to scale the verse's mid tiers?
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lemme recheck this scene in the anime after dinner
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well to be fair all he has to do is cease his deactivation of it. He wanted to see what the bugs do, and they couldnt jack right prior when limitless was active
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No there isn't. It's specifically called lightning and when Kashimo hits Hikari from his staff which is supplanted several done meters away the manga specifically notes the return stroke being used it is specifically comparable to that of lightning.
You are assuming that feat is the height of his power though. That was a casual feat from Gojo so you cannot use it as a cap for him. Especially since Megumi with knowledge literally outpaced a gasoline explosion.
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That’s part of my point though; for all we know, he could have heard the sound going off and then activated his Infinity once again. We don’t know when he turned back on his infinity, so the feat is vague
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He compliments the move as impressive and in the anime we literally see them practically point blank as they detonate with him right there.
At worst the feat would shift to something like:
Likely
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Wait why do you think I care about mid tiers? Maki is like the highest mid tiers and her feat serves more for high tier scaling prior to the culling games arc. But yes high tiers def have more feats for hypersonic if that's what you're asking.
I have no problem with mid tiers under Maki being around subsonic to sonic.
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It’s actually called electricity more times than not
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I mean the gasoline Dodge is not going to be anywhere close to gojo's calc if the current distance turns out to be correct
I'm not trying to say it's the limit of his speed, I'm just saying Mach 50 to Mach 4000 plus is an insane gap, and even more so when everyone else is getting hit by the narrative obstacle that is Naoya
Also if you check my prior posts in this thread you'll notice that there are indeed more statements saying electricity than lightning
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I don't really see any issue with Naoya scaling to Piercing Blood. His statement of it being frightening shouldn't really outweight the fact that he outright dodged it while caught by suprise. It's not like it would be contradictory, the only thing that's stated about the two is that PB > SoS and that Naoya > Subsonic.
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I'm confused, maybe we don't disagree much, who do you think is mid tier in terms of speed that are in the culling games
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The gasoline dodged means Megumi pulled off several complex movements before the explosion reached him.
Once again though, it was casual, so it's not a cap for Gojo.
Do you think that Gojo would struggle with Kashimo? Do you think Gojo would do worse in reacting to his lightning than Hikari? Kashimo is going to be a character for scaling moving forward so his lighting speed is going to be a consistent barometer.
Yes, but the mechanics are consistently portrayed to be comparable to lightning with the explicit example of the return stroke being used and elaborated on in the chapter. Given that and it's several feats qualifying for lightning by wiki standards, that is the speed to be used.
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I would consider current Megumi (Regi fight) as a gatekeeper for high tier currently with people that can hang with Yuta/Hikari top tier and Gojo/Sukuna god tier.
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im only going to comment on the return stroke part, that is wrong
T/N explicitly states Gege didnt use the normal kanji for return stroke
t/n is right about the kanji being return electricity strike and not return stroke, i even had Arc check the raw
T/N explicitly states Gege didnt use the normal kanji for return stroke
t/n is right about the kanji being return electricity strike and not return stroke, i even had Arc check the raw
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He is clearly referencing a lightning's return stroke even if it's labeled return strike.im only going to comment on the return stroke part, that is wrong
T/N explicitly states Gege didnt use the normal kanji for return stroke
t/n is right about the kanji being return electricity strike and not return stroke, i even had Arc check the raw
Like, you do understand that lightning and electricity are not inherently different things correct? Lightning is a discharge of built up electricity using air molecules as the medium. So I don't understand why you are creating a difference between the two, especially when we are told that Kashimo's cursed jutsu works in a similar manner and fulfills mutlitple qualifiers for our wiki standards. A lot of these arguments seems to be trying to make cases outside of what the wiki has already laid out for us.
And one of the significant qualifiers for lightning is the damage done. The return stroke attack obliterated Hikari's mid section which regular lightning is not strong enough to do to humans making it easily quantifiable for lightning.
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I'm not creating a difference between the two. What you just said about there being no differences is correct. I'm of the mind that the way the electricity is portrayed lines of well with it just being that.
Perhaps my take on it is more so divorced from wiki standards. The reason lightning is so fast has a lot more factors than what lightning standards are for the wiki.
If it works well with wiki standards go ahead and argue it up.
Perhaps my take on it is more so divorced from wiki standards. The reason lightning is so fast has a lot more factors than what lightning standards are for the wiki.
If it works well with wiki standards go ahead and argue it up.
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If you don't think there is a difference between the two then why would you argue for mach 6?
Like what? The only factor you could point to would be strength of the charge built up, but once again, that would also directly be correlated to strength of the bolt, and regular lightning bolt do no incinirate sections of people. So by that logic, Kashimo's bolt is clearly using a magnitude of built of electrical charge for stronger than a regular odd lightning bolt even utilizing real life standards.
That's where my confusion lies.
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Mainly because the narrative can support either speed, and mach 6 is more narratively consistent with the gege's current route with the manga
well that gets into a whole thing on cloud to ground lightning, distance of could, air resistance, the current wiki used average being a bit high end for speed, etc.
im not going to debate that here, nor do i intend to try and change anything regarding the standards for the wiki. As such, letting you guys deal with what end you go with hakari
Im just saying the mach 6 end is much cleaner Currently for the story
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Where are you getting a mach 6 figure from? An electrical discharge moving through air is not going to net that speed.
Yes, and the wiki has standards for things being compared to cloud to ground lightning. Clouds do not have some special property. It's a build of of energy of a specific charge that is then propagated to another target of different charge which is specifically how Kashimo's technique works. And he satisfies multiple criteria for lightning equivalence.
Oh I see, I was more so confused on why you were using mach 6 in the first place given we are talking about lightning but I may have missed it
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you are correctPretty the distance traveled shouldnt be the road, if u look here Gojo jumps to the left of him on the wall not across the road
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mach 6 is hakari's reaction
Hakari Dodges Electricity
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using mach 1.6 for electricity in air, the low end currently accepted on the wiki
Speed of Electricity
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will i more so meant ligntning speeds are also dependent on specifically the conditions forming lightning in clouds, with a really strong PD difference between the clouds and the ground, and the specific properties of the atmospheres
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I see, did you read that blog?mach 6 is hakari's reaction
Hakari Dodges Electricity
using mach 1.6 for electricity in air, the low end currently accepted on the wiki
Speed of Electricity
That is used for non lethal amounts of electricity. Here is the expounding on the blog you reference
Both times Kashimo used his technique, it lead to effects > actual real lightning. Which is why him covering several of our factors for lightning speed is so important: creating electrolysis, numbing effects, Heat Explosion from transfer of heat energy, conducting through metals, discharge of electric build up.
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fair i guess
as for the gojo dodge thing, ill look into how to calc it tomorrow, unless someone want to try a crack at it
as for the gojo dodge thing, ill look into how to calc it tomorrow, unless someone want to try a crack at it
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I am trying to see if i can calc the wall that he jumps on but i cant find any height for the walls but I may be able to use the squares height themselves and get the height of the wall from there.
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Hakari's calc is actually very wrong
I feel dumb to just notice it now
I feel dumb to just notice it now
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Entirely or something specific?
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Partially but it's a large part
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so official is out
so its might not be a speed-durability cap for the verse
its just naoya is a glass cannon
he doesnt remotely compare to hanami in dura for example
Kamo does however state naoya is faster than anything, which would include hanami
so its might not be a speed-durability cap for the verse
its just naoya is a glass cannon
he doesnt remotely compare to hanami in dura for example
Kamo does however state naoya is faster than anything, which would include hanami
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It seems more so too me the faster he is the stronger and more durable he is. Since he is increase durability to match the KE of his speed.so official is out
so its might not be a speed-durability cap for the verse
its just naoya is a glass cannon
he doesnt remotely compare to hanami in dura for example
Kamo does however state naoya is faster than anything, which would include hanami
TBF Kamo has never seen a serious Hanami only a suppressed one. But regardless he should be faster since he's faster than Yuji who kept up with Serious Hanami.
Also if going glass cannon, his shell thing is definitely higher than his tentacles.
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someone had an excellent idea in the past, and it was that staments are an at least and not a total scaling (example: a character can destroy a solar system, but it is many times larger than it actually is)maybe that will work.
sometimes that always happens,like in naruto,there is lika a lot of staments about character being light speed,but never someone is faster,that's way it should be a at least,and not a definite scaling.
like medaka using skills for going faster than light,when she surpass that speed and even go on the same speed of kumagawa,that can beat ajimu najimi who is immeasurable speed
sometimes that always happens,like in naruto,there is lika a lot of staments about character being light speed,but never someone is faster,that's way it should be a at least,and not a definite scaling.
like medaka using skills for going faster than light,when she surpass that speed and even go on the same speed of kumagawa,that can beat ajimu najimi who is immeasurable speed
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Really went and said Naoya is faster than anything. Does Gege just have it out for y'all or something?so official is out
so its might not be a speed-durability cap for the verse
its just naoya is a glass cannon
he doesnt remotely compare to hanami in dura for example
Kamo does however state naoya is faster than anything, which would include hanami
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Dicking themReally went and said Naoya is faster than anything. Does Gege just have it out for y'all or something?
As for this
Blogging it now
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tbf this would be from kamo's perspective, so wouldnt include characters he hasnt met or seen the full speed ofReally went and said Naoya is faster than anything. Does Gege just have it out for y'all or something?
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Kamo Reacts to Naoya
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Hakari's Lightning Dodge
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Hmmmm but Maki was hypersonic already?
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Isn't Kamo quite literally not allowed to be Faster than Mach 1?Kamo Reacts to Naoya
Hakari's Lightning Dodge
Hmmmm but Maki was hypersonic already?
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