Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[M3X_2.0]

None of the sure hits are complex.

JL is complex, how will FBE block that? It doesn't prevent you from being hit, it weakens the sure hit.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

? He can't use teleportation if that's what you're talking about. He says as much. Or well - He says he's literally working on it 1 year later after awakening.

Also. He technically did blitz Toji though. Casual and high gojo easily evaded his attacks and moved so fast that toji only later noticed he was already far away. There's another speed feat where toji throws in his ISOH stuff and is kinda far away from gojo, but gojo somehow in his first time ever using purple - combined red and blue so fast to create purple, that he fired it off way faster than it could even reach or hit him, and toji literally couldn't do a single shit to get away despite his senses warning his ass. That's also kind of a blitz given how fast he pulled off the slowest move/action in his arsenal, literally slower than his own movements. So uh yeah. Gojo is quite literally that fast.

(interesting to note: the exhibition arc, in the HI arc section, Gege wrote that right after awakening gojo became solely the strongest in existence (Not jujutsu sorcerer. Straight up strongest in existence compared to everything. This wouldn't apply to Sukuna when he's split up obviously but Yuki and Toji and other people that are sealed up as well and also exist - Yorozu and the like, would be included in the category of "hey does this person exist?" existence)

To be fair in that page he’s referring to long range teleportation. We already know he can use blue for relatively short range teleports (like with bag dude)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

? Nothing says that blue gojo > CT Miguel. Best you can go for is >=
Again, this is contradictory as hell.



Dude. You are blatantly ignoring the very large difference that no amount of "Yeah he is consistently more durable than he is powerful" is gonna work. I've already debunked how that makes no sense. You've got no evidence to make this assertion.
? Dude went REL with Sukuna there and had to surprise him, which Sukuna still reacted. This is not gojo level stats. You're just yapping to yap.
This nerfed Sukuna is several levels below himself inconsistent argument.



I'll take that as you not having a counter argument and that you're just yapping to yap. Thanks.



It actually IS as big as an amp that I'm making it to be. I implore you to reread Megumi vs second finger bearer and how large of a difference there is. Megumi got knocked out COLD.
That Naobito nerf only comes afterwards. Naobito was perception blitzing dagon, then Dagon went a speed level higher and knocked his ass away. The Anime shows it more impressively. Much faster than before.
???? Just a bunch of yap that you can't even prove to be related to this. He did not get a emotional amp. He had a enlightenment and unlocked DE. This was DE amp. Take it or leave it.

Reggie is simply just that guy. Next argument.



Uh no. This isn't supported at all. Gojo says as much in 228 that their only way of fighting is h2h DA. (For Sukuna that is) and we see that as much. Sukuna always uses DA whenever he interacts or fights with gojo with infinity on. Chapter 227. 228. 229.

This translation +

This translation supports it as much. And we even have feats for it. Not to mention, it would be very suspicious of Sukuna to turn it off whenever he's fighting Gojo as he would NOTICE. Which wouldn't be good for Sukuna's plan. Him for some reason turning it off whilst engaging in combat would be suspicious when gojo goes in for the hit. So he can only do this whenever THEY'RE not in combat, basically brief moments or the like. In chapter 229, before they begin their final domain expansion, we see Gojo and Sukuna in a "clash" of sorts, with his lunch being very close to his face which Sukuna is clearly holding. There is very much evidence and implications towards Sukuna using DA than him not using it. His face being torn apart like that comes after that particular panel. So no red.
Additionally. Compare this to chapter 226 red and the wound Sukuna took at 229 in the panel you showed, there is a clear difference of what is "scorch/burn marks" and a simple face being torn apart with the muscles of the face showing.





No. You're making UP points that isn't even supported by the narrative.
Everybody else there either thinks he's gonna regain his rct output. Maki knows this. Choso knows this. Yuji knows this. But they all also know what a BF does - you start getting into the zone and basically stronger. Output is being restored not just rct. It's also why Miguel says his momentum is on the rise because that's what a BF is about.

Nowhere IS it stated that he's afraid he'll regain his domain expansion. I have no idea as to how you think Miguel would supposedly know how to regain back your crippled domain from brain damage, which even nobody else knows when they know Sukuna is suffering brain damage. Sukuna only figured this out through multiple BF, which allowed him to figure one out and do it via binding vows + hand sign swapped.

Then Sukuna gets SURPRISED. Very shocked to see Sukuna pull off a DE. Is this the same guy you're saying that expected Sukuna to pull of a DE soon? Yeah your argument has little to no evidence and is just headcanon.

Funnily enough. Miguel doesn't only speak about no domain Sukuna, but a Sukuna that is also nerfed. They also observe his current state of injuries and note that: Heart missing, some limbs too, rct output garbage, etc. You're acting as if Miguel said he would fight 20F full health Sukuna with no domain this is the craziest Miguel glaze I've ever seen. Which needs to fall off.
Also. Sukuna's slashes and himself clearly got stronger. Sukuna and Miguel clearly exchange hands for one brief moment, Miguel goes back and spams his ability which not only buffs him but also debuffed Sukuna and yet he could do Jack shit. This Gojo rival ain't allat. He couldn't even continue pressuring Sukuna or to prevent him from punching Larue despite being supposedly gojo level in stats. I'm ngl you're just arguing atp for agenda.
Not sure if you can notice but Miguel is going relative to Sukuna in physicals but outperforms him after the buff and debuff, and if he was gojo level as you're making him to be then he'd simply ignore any of his attacks and punches and blitz and overpower him every single moment with no diff that's how weakened Sukuna IS.
Put adult gojo without blue or anything and he'd manhandle Sukuna without the latter being able to do any single scratch or overpower. He's just getting slapped up for free and blitzed every second.





Being gojo level would still make you a god tier which isn't even supported by the narrative. Again you're holding a very disingenuous premise.

But fine let's do a dissection of that statement.



I've previously went over this before and had some confusion [Before]
For starters, to explain my confusion. The narrator talks about Miguel's CT. How it improves his physical capabilities, by buffing himself. How he can debuff others too, their stats.
Gojo says it is pretty useful but not that scary.
Yuta asks him if it is dangerous to him.
Gojo goes off about him and Miguel in a 1vs1 fight no CT and only ce reinforcement and talks about who would win in skill.

This is where my confusion comes in - Yuta asked him if this was dangerous to him. But gojo responded with what to me looks like a whole different non related answer.
Gojo has his infinity. He can use domain expansion (something Miguel is afraid of), red to repell Miguel and blue to attract, etc. Even teleport. To me, Yuta's question is nonsense because Miguel can't bypass Gojo's infinity to threaten him with that CT to begin with, nor pose any danger to gojo at all who can unleash his DE.

But then gojo proceeds to exclude out Miguel's CT when that was the topic about whether it can pose danger to gojo or not, to talk about CE reinforcement contest in skill only.

There's a reasoning for these questions and confusion above that I presented.

Let's begin: Gojo's presenting a metric where Miguel would logically be a problem, which is H2H skill.
In the scenario where gojo is unable to use his CT, or his capacity to utilize CE for whatever reason is stifled, Miguel would be a threat. Because he’s a better offensive striker than gojo is, which is pretty bad for him. Because gojo utilizes defensive counter based styles into mostly relentless offense. If he’s fighting someone that does that BETTER than he does and he can’t just outstat or outhax Miguel, he's in trouble.

He’s referring to this in equivalent to his CT, because Miguel’s CT informs his fighting style.

So gojo's picking out the specific part of Miguel that would be a issue.

You might ask "Yeah but he says that without their CT in usage no?"
Yeah but Miguel’s Fighting style is influenced innately by the technique he was born with. So gojo's going to associate that as a part of Miguel.
The example of if whatever reason gojo is unable to out hax or completely outstat Miguel, gojo is in trouble.
Gojo is mentioning to Yuta a facet where Miguel would be dangerous for him. And that's literally just it.

You, for whatever reason assume this is a case where gojo is at full reinforcement. Even though all gojo is saying is that, Miguel is a better offensive striker and so if for whatever reason they were on a equal playing field, Gojo is screwed.
You for example might think that Gojo is saying Miguel as a whole is a issue. Which isn't true. Rather, he's mentioning a facet where Miguel is a threat, the part of Miguel that is dangerous under circumstances that stifled gojo in various aspects that I mentioned above.

If gojo meant that Miguel was 20F in stats which you are going with, he wouldn't refer to Miguel's skill specifically. He would just say "oh well Miguel has physicals on par with me". And the other context from manga is
“Miguel doesn’t want to box with a Flow state nerfed sukuna”
“Maybe he’s not on sukunas level“
Ik you might ask "How would you know he's referring to his skill specifically. He says physical contest with only CE reinforcement and says it comes down to their skill doesn't that mean their equal or relative"
The answer to that is: Because he mentions skill as the primary difference that makes Miguel a issue. If Miguel's physicals were a problem he'd just say “Well Miguel has equal stats to me”
Like bro, use context clues HERE.
Miguel can outskill sukuna whilst spamming his CT, but it does no damage. And he fears Sukuna once he gets into a flow state enough to run away even though it's a 4vs1.
What does that tell you?
He barely held off from a Vol 0 gojo and didn't land one hit on him, whilst getting hit with shit like wing chun beatdown and chased around. This was one eye concealed gojo too (it's stated that blindfold or the like dampen the power of six eyes) and a gojo very clearly holding back if it wasn't obvious.
What does that tell you?
Gojo thinks the issue is that Miguel is a more skilled striker than he is, but here Miguel is getting slapped around by Gojo.
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And he gets scared off by Sukuna the moment he goes into flow from one BF.

I'm sorry but Miguel is not a god tier physical stats guy on the level of Gojo. If he was he'd be bullying Sukuna with the nonstop blitzing and never allow him to perform one single DE with the sheer speed difference.

Bruh. You wrote a book in response to a few paragraphs, throughout Heaven and Earth this alone is the Honored Shotgun

 

[Arkenis]

JL is complex, how will FBE block that? It doesn't prevent you from being hit, it weakens the sure hit.

It's a beam of light. And that also has to be chosen from Yuta, something Gojo will pick up instantly. That also not gonna kill Gojo. It's actually worthless

 

[Arkenis]

How does Yuta even resist max blue??

 

[Giannysmag]

So what? It's two dudes much stronger and durable than him, even if he kept it for three days, that two characters much stronger than the Toji he faced, it's not about speed to react and use it, it's about getting overwhelmed with a lot of Cursed Techniques and one or two of them can bypass Inifnity.

I don't think you get it so let me make it very clear. Gojo has the six eyes, he can sense everything Yuta or Rika can throw at him and defend accordingly, hell Toji needed to wear him down for 3 days straight just so he can get a chance at a sneak attack. And that's a guy that is virtually invisible to everyone other than Gojo, let alone Yuta's ass that everyone can sense from a mile away. And he can maintain that shit for days on end, he is not getting overwhelmed

Doesn't matter, **** Uro. It did this to this Sukuna who's far more durable than that Gojo.

Those are also scratches lmao and this is a very nerfed Sukuna too. If anything the fact that him and Uro recieved similair damage from the Shikigami is an antifeat for this Sukuna

Did you forget everything you knew about JJK or something? That specific JL was used with the purpose of stunning Sukuna and weakening the boundary between Megumi and Sukuna souls so Yuji could reach for Megumi. Like, do you even know how JL works? It's not like it's permanent or anything, it's during the use. As long as JL keeps hitting Gojo (It will, FBE won't counter that) he won't use Limitless.

Fair enough on this

Purple is hard to pull off what the hell are you even talking about? Gojo had Sukuna and Mahoraga on his ass and it was hard for him to use it. Gojuta tried and Sukuna prevented, Cursed Speech helped him.

Yea because Yuta is ass with Gojo's technique, that is stated several times

Teen Gojo who's a far experienced fighter than Yuta will have to perform it while Rika is on his ass, he gets spammed with CTs and if he's inside Yuta's Domain he won't ever get the chance to perform that thanks to CT spam but better and lack of Infinity. You're very delusional if you think Gojo could do that in this situation.

He just Blues to a few meter to the side and blasts them idk why that is so insane for you to grasp. He already did this to another top tier who was also attacking him and actually had the means of getting past infinity

Won't even get the chance to use that.

Be so fr with me rn

Yeah because if he does he gets stomped.

Cool... he won't fight in H2H then

Keeps his distance and he gets blasted with CE beams, Dhruv's Shikigamis, JL from distance, Sky Manipulation to avoid anything from Limitless.
You're being very delusional here if you think Gojo stands a chance.

CE beams don't get past infinity, Druv's Shikigami are ass, he blues out of the way of JL and he blitzes with Purple before Yuta can use sky manip. You are being delusional if you think Yuta has a chance outside of his domain and he won't even get the time to set that up cause he'll have been turned into a donut

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Screw the anime then? What, do you want us to make the anime non canon now? Because he clearly makes a handsign for Blue and now you're making up excuses. And this is not tthe Gojo from 1 year later.

Yeah and I'm telling you that Gojo HIMSELF says he needs to work on developing his teleportation technique m3x.
We see no instance of blue teleportation or mention but suddenly it is waved in after his awakening when every other stuff got mentioned. And 1 year later as he's training he says he gotta develop on it. Why would we then take this as blue and not something else that could be a hand sign for something else entirely?

 

[Arkenis]

Make the match.

 

[Giannysmag]

Make the match.

Nah Awakened Gojo is 8-A here since for some reason we still don't have Toji scaling to other top tiers, so we gotta wait for that first

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The discussion is Shinjuku Yuta vs Awakened Teen Gojo right

 

[Giannysmag]

The discussion is Shinjuku Yuta vs Awakened Teen Gojo right

Yep

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yuta is my goat but he's unfortunately not beating that Toji low differ

 

[Arkenis]

7-C must go

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

To be fair in that page he’s referring to long range teleportation. We already know he can use blue for relatively short range teleports (like with bag dude)

Bag dude?
Well. There is no short distance teleportation tho.

How does Yuta even resist max blue??

Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..
Toji says as much. And the exhibition arc literally tells us Awakened gojo is > Yuki, Yorozu, Kashimo etc.

The only thing carrying Yuta is a DE

Which guess what? Yuta in gojo's body pulled off purple and one shotted not only Sukuna's DE but also his own and they were smaller so their strength is higher. This all happened inside.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Purple is hard to pull off what the hell are you even talking about? Gojo had Sukuna and Mahoraga on his ass and it was hard for him to use it. Gojuta tried and Sukuna prevented, Cursed Speech helped him. Teen Gojo who's a far experienced fighter than Yuta will have to perform it while Rika is on his ass, he gets spammed with CTs and if he's inside Yuta's Domain he won't ever get the chance to perform that thanks to CT spam but better and lack of Infinity. You're very delusional if you think Gojo could do that in this situation.

If I may mention -

This very gojo is suffering a damage directly centered on where HIS CT is. Mahoraga and Sukuna are literally in the same park as gojo. Toji and Awakened gojo isn't. Neither is Yuta. In s t a t s

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Bag dude?
Well. There is no short distance teleportation tho.

Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..
Toji says as much. And the exhibition arc literally tells us Awakened gojo is > Yuki, Yorozu, Kashimo etc.

The only thing carrying Yuta is a DE

Which guess what? Yuta in gojo's body pulled off purple and one shotted not only Sukuna's DE but also his own and they were smaller so their strength is higher. This all happened inside.

Nah yeah I reread the chapter he pulled bag dude in with blue. Misremembered cause of the anime scene

 

[Arkenis]

Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..

Revision happens so much with jjk characters spots in the scaling. Awakened Gojo was literally top 5 just a year or so ago, now he's losing to randoms

 

[M3X_2.0]

I don't think you get it so let me make it very clear. Gojo has the six eyes, he can sense everything Yuta or Rika can throw at him and defend accordingly, hell Toji needed to wear him down for 3 days straight just so he can get a chance at a sneak attack. And that's a guy that is virtually invisible to everyone other than Gojo, let alone Yuta's ass that everyone can sense from a mile away. And he can maintain that shit for days on end, he is not getting overwhelmed

And I'll have to explain to you because somehow you still misses the point: I'm not talking about sneak attacks or sensing the opponent, I'm talking about getting overwhelmed with things that can bypass his Infinity like Dhruv's Shikigamis' and JL that I'm pretty sure will bypass it. Take that with two other characters pressing him and he's cooked. I don't even know why we're discussing about this when it will get deactivated with DE.

Those are also scratches lmao and this is a very nerfed Sukuna too. If anything the fact that him and Uro recieved similair damage from the Shikigami is an antifeat for this Sukuna

Dude who the **** do you think Teen Gojo is to think he can tank this? He has NO durability feats, that Sukuna was still fresh as ****, tanking all Yuji punches, had just fought Kashimo and after that a weaker Sukuna was tanking Maki, Yuji and a bunch of other characters, was eating Black Flashes left and right. Be for real this Gojo is a fraud without any feats. He's not tanking that. It's not an anti feat for Sukuna, Yuta got stronger, so did his techniques.

Yea because Yuta is ass with Gojo's technique, that is stated several times

He's not ass, it's his second use. Anyone pressing Teen Gojo like Sukuna did with Gojuta will prevent him to use that.

He just Blue's to a few meter to side and blasts them idk why that is so insane for you to grasp. He already did this to another top tier who was also attacking him and actually had the means of getting past infinity

He uses Blue to get space and then Yuta covers that space and keeps pressing him with shit. Why do you think his Purple is instantaneous like that? He clearly caught Toji by surprise because Toji didn't knew what Purple was. Yuta knows, he knows the handsign and everything. He's completely avoiding that lmao.

Be so fr with me rn

Yes I am???? You're so biased dude, why will Gojo use Purple first than Yuta will use anything else? Yuta has much more in hig bag, Gojo won't blitz, won't donut, won't do shit.

CE beams don't get past infinity, Druv's Shikigami are ass, he blues out of the way of JL and he blitzes with Purple before Yuta can use sky manip. You are being delusional if you think Yuta has a chance outside of his domain and he won't even get the time to set that up cause he'll have been turned into a donut

CE beams will still press him, Dhruv's Shikigamis will damage him. If it damaged that Sukuna it will damage anyone lmao. Gojo has no stats to blitz Yuta, he won't do shit.

I don't even know why is this a debate, this Gojo is featless and his stats are completely ass.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Bag dude?
Well. There is no short distance teleportation tho.

Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..
Toji says as much. And the exhibition arc literally tells us Awakened gojo is > Yuki, Yorozu, Kashimo etc.

The only thing carrying Yuta is a DE

Which guess what? Yuta in gojo's body pulled off purple and one shotted not only Sukuna's DE but also his own and they were smaller so their strength is higher. This all happened inside.

[>>> Summary

**During their years at Kousen, Gojo and Geto Suguru were strongest ones around. The two of them were named for a mission to guard a young girl Amanai Riko, who was the Star Plasma Vessel that is important to the sorcery world. In this mission, Gojo was brought to the brink of death in combat with the man targeting Amanai’s life…. Fushiguro Toji, and Amanai’s life was taken. However, those dire straights led to his awakening as a sorcerer, and Gojo recovered.

Defeating Touji, he became a singular existence as the strongest.** The image of the non-sorcerers applauding for Amanai’s death stuck to Geto’s memories. About one year later, Gojo and Geto’s kouhai, Haibara Yu died on a mission. Geto began to not be able to accept the reality that sorcerers give their lives for non-sorcerers.

With all his hate against non-sorcerers accumulating, the conversation with Tsukumo Yuki was turning point that led Geto to rebellion. He would leave the Sorcery Technical College. Geto who had chosed the path of the curse user who plays with the lives of sorcerers, and Gojo would would live on as the strongest sorcerer. The springtime of their lives would come to a close with Geto’s defection.]

ただ一人(only one) で最強( the strongest ) の存在( existence)と成る( become) something like that.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Nah yeah I reread the chapter he pulled bag dude in with blue. Misremembered cause of the anime scene

Ah okay. It's fine.

 

[Arkenis]

Blitzes Yuta, one shots Yuta, better senses, better kit, better fighter. Really don't get how this is being discussed.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Arkenis shut the hell up. He won't do any of that. That Gojo doesn't have any stats to do that, he gets cook in hand to hand and Yuta is a far better fighter.

Yeah I don't get how's this getting discussed either, Gojo gets Domain diffed.

Goddammit yall are annoying as shit. You know damn well Gojo doesn't win this Arkenis.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Awakened Gojo FRA

 

[Giannysmag]

And I'll have to explain to you because somehow you still misses the point: I'm not talking about sneak attacks or sensing the opponent, I'm talking about getting overwhelmed with things that can bypass his Infinity like Dhruv's Shikigamis' and JL that I'm pretty sure will bypass it. Take that with two other characters pressing him and he's cooked. I don't even know why we're discussing about this when it will get deactivated with DE.

Dude who the ** do you think Teen Gojo is to think he can tank this? He has NO durability feats, that Sukuna was still fresh as **, tanking all Yuji punches, had just fought Kashimo and after that a weaker Sukuna was tanking Maki, Yuji and a bunch of other characters, was eating Black Flashes left and right. Be for real this Gojo is a fraud without any feats. He's not tanking that. It's not an anti feat for Sukuna, Yuta got stronger, so did his techniques.

May I remind you that this is the damage the Shikigami you are putting all your faith in did to a character with no dura feats either

He's not ass, it's his second use. Anyone pressing Teen Gojo like Sukuna did with Gojuta will prevent him to use that.

So you just gonna ignore how he pulled it off against Toji despite Toji also pressing him

Blitzes Yuta, one shots Yuta, better senses, better kit, better fighter. Really don't get how this is being discussed.

Rare Arkenis W

 

[Arkenis]

Arkenis shut the hell up. He won't do any of that. That Gojo doesn't have any stats to do that, he gets cook in hand to hand and Yuta is a far better fighter.

Yeah I don't get how's this getting discussed either, Gojo gets Domain diffed.

Goddammit yall are annoying as shit. You know damn well Gojo doesn't win this Arkenis.

Idk what you're talking about. Gojo has better speed and has purple to end Yuta. That 7-C meta is going down to the ground.

 

[M3X_2.0]

May I remind you that this is the damage the Shikigami you are putting all your faith in did to a character with no dura feats either

No, THIS is the damage we're talking about. Why are you acting like this never happened? We're talking about Shinjuku Yuta, not Sendai. He's much stronger, and that's why his Shikigamis dealt this kind of damage to Sukuna. Show me ONE durability feat from this Gojo that compares with this Sukuna and I'll say you're right.

So you just gonna ignore how he pulled it off against Toji despite Toji also pressing him

Gojo was keeping his space and Toji was attacking with chains. Yuta and Rika will press him by going hand-to-hand and doesn't matter how much he tries to ge away, they will both go press him physically and with stuff that bypasses his Infinity. In Domain is even worse because Infinity is completely off and he will have to worry with getting damage with something that nulls his CT.

Idk what you're talking about. Gojo has better speed and has purple to end Yuta. That 7-C meta is going down to the ground.

Please shut up.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Blitzes Yuta, one shots Yuta, better senses, better kit, better fighter. Really don't get how this is being discussed.

It's kinda crazy as to how heavily implied it is that Pre rct gojo was also > Toji that very same heavy hitter in the same ballpark as Yuta and Hakari. I'm not saying one shot level or anything but, toji literally speaks as to how he wants to nerf gojo. He sneak attacks gojo -> piercing through his stomach and giving him somewhat "serious" injury. So now this heavily fatigued gojo fights Toji -> Toji then does another sneak attack, one where gojo worried about amanai, giving him another opening whilst gojo is surrounded by hundreds of flyheads that explicitly act as chaff grenade as Gojo said.

There's even two speed feats where gojo is kinda blatantly faster than toji.
When gojo turns around to focus on Amanai, Toji pops up behind gojo and goes in for the stab, this very same gojo gets caught off guard and turns around, turning his entire body fast enough till Toji reaches and stabs him, the same toji that was in midst of lunging for him. This is the very same heavily fatigued gojo + wounded. Bro is deadass relative to Toji man


Anime and manga about the same
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As for the second speed feat:
Gojo even before the fight began, where he went on to turn off his infinity (And most likely CE reinforcement. Which he seems to given he's now inside the barrier and went on to turn off his infinity??) was offguarded and stabbed, proceeded to -> Flow his CE to reinforce himself. That being his stats obv.
So in order: Flow your CE to reinforce yourself -> Activate your CT and then reinforce it to create lapse -> point his hand forward towards toji to send him flying, ALL before Toji could cause further damage.

Here are the events for the second speed feat where gojo is blatantly faster:

Funnily enough even the volume summary supports this.
10月31日、五条封印を目論む呪霊達が渋谷一帯を封鎖し「渋谷事変」が勃発する。一般人を盾にされながらも敵を圧倒する五条だったが、夏油の姿をした"何者かにより獄門疆に囚われてしまう。虎杖はメカ丸の端末の指示で、高専側の行動を阻害する"帳"を守る呪詛師を倒すが、かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?
On October 31st, a major incident known as the "Shibuya Incident" breaks out as curses plotting to seal Gojo Satoru block off the entire district of Shibuya. Despite using civilians as shields, Gojo, who defeated his enemies with overwhelming strength, was imprisoned in the Prison Realm by someone disguised as Suguru Geto. Following Mechamaru's instructions, Yuji Itadori defeats a curse user guarding the "Curtain" that is hindering the Jujutsu High's actions, but the body of Toji Zenin, who once even gave Gojo a hard time, is restored using a resurrection technique !?

Breakdown of the specific wording used:
A breakdown of it would be like:

"かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?"

Breaking it down:

• かつて (katsute): "once" or "in the past"
• 五条をも (Gojo o mo): "even Gojo"

- を (o): object marker
- も (mo): "also" or "even"

• 苦しめた (kurushimeta): past tense of "to cause suffering" or "to trouble"
• 禪院甚爾の肉体 (Zen'in Toji no nikutai): "the body of Toji Zen'in"
• が (ga): subject marker
• 降霊術で蘇り!? (kōreijutsu de yomigaeri!?): "is resurrected through a spirit-summoning technique!?"

Explanation of the Nuance:

The key phrase here is "五条をも苦しめた" (Gojo o mo kurushimeta), which translates to "who once even troubled Gojo."

• も (mo): The use of "も" is significant. It means "also" or "even," emphasizing that causing trouble to Gojo is noteworthy because Gojo is exceptionally powerful.
• 苦しめた (kurushimeta): This verb means "caused suffering," "troubled," or "gave a hard time."

Understanding the Implication:

In Japanese, saying someone "even troubled Gojo" implies that:

• Toji Zen'in was strong or skilled (Both actually) enough to challenge Gojo.
• However, it doesn't necessarily mean Toji was Gojo's equal in overall power or ability.
• The emphasis is on the unexpectedness or impressiveness that someone could give Gojo—a top-tier sorcerer—a difficult time.

[Why it doesn't imply equality:]

• The phrase focuses on the exceptional feat of troubling Gojo, not on establishing equality. This is important to note as to what this context would imply.
• In Japanese storytelling, highlighting that a character "even caused problems for [a powerful character]" serves to elevate the former's reputation without declaring them equal.
• It's a way to show that Toji is formidable in his own right, capable of exploiting weaknesses or situations to his advantage. (We know this by context as well from the manga. The scans above this volume summary translation supports it)

Conclusion:

The Japanese expression conveys that Toji Zen'in was a significant threat who managed to challenge Gojo unexpectedly or impressively, without necessarily being his equal in power. This nuance is captured by the use of "も" (even) and "苦しめた" (gave a hard time/troubled), indicating that while Toji may not match Gojo's abilities overall, he was still able to make a considerable impact against him.


Which is true since his whole plan is: Get him nerfed. -> Sneak attack him -> Do this again but with a "chaff grenade" to obstruct his vision, impeding his senses -> gojo ""killed""

 

[Arkenis]

Please shut up.

It's kinda crazy as to how heavily implied it is that Pre rct gojo was also > Toji that very same heavy hitter in the same ballpark as Yuta and Hakari. I'm not saying one shot level or anything but, toji literally speaks as to how he wants to nerf gojo. He sneak attacks gojo -> piercing through his stomach and giving him somewhat "serious" injury. So now this heavily fatigued gojo fights Toji -> Toji then does another sneak attack, one where gojo worried about amanai, giving him another opening whilst gojo is surrounded by hundreds of flyheads that explicitly act as chaff grenade as Gojo said.

There's even two speed feats where gojo is kinda blatantly faster than toji.
When gojo turns around to focus on Amanai, Toji pops up behind gojo and goes in for the stab, this very same gojo gets caught off guard and turns around, turning his entire body fast enough till Toji reaches and stabs him, the same toji that was in midst of lunging for him. This is the very same heavily fatigued gojo + wounded. Bro is deadass relative to Toji man


Anime and manga about the same
2:40

As for the second speed feat:
Gojo even before the fight began, where he went on to turn off his infinity (And most likely CE reinforcement. Which he seems to given he's now inside the barrier and went on to turn off his infinity??) was offguarded and stabbed, proceeded to -> Flow his CE to reinforce himself. That being his stats obv.
So in order: Flow your CE to reinforce yourself -> Activate your CT and then reinforce it to create lapse -> point his hand forward towards toji to send him flying, ALL before Toji could cause further damage.

Here are the events for the second speed feat where gojo is blatantly faster:

Funnily enough even the volume summary supports this.
10月31日、五条封印を目論む呪霊達が渋谷一帯を封鎖し「渋谷事変」が勃発する。一般人を盾にされながらも敵を圧倒する五条だったが、夏油の姿をした"何者かにより獄門疆に囚われてしまう。虎杖はメカ丸の端末の指示で、高専側の行動を阻害する"帳"を守る呪詛師を倒すが、かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?
On October 31st, a major incident known as the "Shibuya Incident" breaks out as curses plotting to seal Gojo Satoru block off the entire district of Shibuya. Despite using civilians as shields, Gojo, who defeated his enemies with overwhelming strength, was imprisoned in the Prison Realm by someone disguised as Suguru Geto. Following Mechamaru's instructions, Yuji Itadori defeats a curse user guarding the "Curtain" that is hindering the Jujutsu High's actions, but the body of Toji Zenin, who once even gave Gojo a hard time, is restored using a resurrection technique !?

Breakdown of the specific wording used:
A breakdown of it would be like:

"かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?"

Breaking it down:

• かつて (katsute): "once" or "in the past"
• 五条をも (Gojo o mo): "even Gojo"

- を (o): object marker
- も (mo): "also" or "even"

• 苦しめた (kurushimeta): past tense of "to cause suffering" or "to trouble"
• 禪院甚爾の肉体 (Zen'in Toji no nikutai): "the body of Toji Zen'in"
• が (ga): subject marker
• 降霊術で蘇り!? (kōreijutsu de yomigaeri!?): "is resurrected through a spirit-summoning technique!?"

Explanation of the Nuance:

The key phrase here is "五条をも苦しめた" (Gojo o mo kurushimeta), which translates to "who once even troubled Gojo."

• も (mo): The use of "も" is significant. It means "also" or "even," emphasizing that causing trouble to Gojo is noteworthy because Gojo is exceptionally powerful.
• 苦しめた (kurushimeta): This verb means "caused suffering," "troubled," or "gave a hard time."

Understanding the Implication:

In Japanese, saying someone "even troubled Gojo" implies that:

• Toji Zen'in was strong or skilled (Both actually) enough to challenge Gojo.
• However, it doesn't necessarily mean Toji was Gojo's equal in overall power or ability.
• The emphasis is on the unexpectedness or impressiveness that someone could give Gojo—a top-tier sorcerer—a difficult time.

[Why it doesn't imply equality:]

• The phrase focuses on the exceptional feat of troubling Gojo, not on establishing equality. This is important to note as to what this context would imply.
• In Japanese storytelling, highlighting that a character "even caused problems for [a powerful character]" serves to elevate the former's reputation without declaring them equal.
• It's a way to show that Toji is formidable in his own right, capable of exploiting weaknesses or situations to his advantage. (We know this by context as well from the manga. The scans above this volume summary translation supports it)

Conclusion:

The Japanese expression conveys that Toji Zen'in was a significant threat who managed to challenge Gojo unexpectedly or impressively, without necessarily being his equal in power. This nuance is captured by the use of "も" (even) and "苦しめた" (gave a hard time/troubled), indicating that while Toji may not match Gojo's abilities overall, he was still able to make a considerable impact against him.


Which is true since his whole plan is: Get him nerfed. -> Sneak attack him -> Do this again but with a "chaff grenade" to obstruct his vision, impeding his senses -> gojo ""killed""

 

[M3X_2.0]

You two cooperating just makes my case even better

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

It's kinda crazy as to how heavily implied it is that Pre rct gojo was also > Toji that very same heavy hitter in the same ballpark as Yuta and Hakari. I'm not saying one shot level or anything but, toji literally speaks as to how he wants to nerf gojo. He sneak attacks gojo -> piercing through his stomach and giving him somewhat "serious" injury. So now this heavily fatigued gojo fights Toji -> Toji then does another sneak attack, one where gojo worried about amanai, giving him another opening whilst gojo is surrounded by hundreds of flyheads that explicitly act as chaff grenade as Gojo said.

There's even two speed feats where gojo is kinda blatantly faster than toji.
When gojo turns around to focus on Amanai, Toji pops up behind gojo and goes in for the stab, this very same gojo gets caught off guard and turns around, turning his entire body fast enough till Toji reaches and stabs him, the same toji that was in midst of lunging for him. This is the very same heavily fatigued gojo + wounded. Bro is deadass relative to Toji man


Anime and manga about the same
2:40

As for the second speed feat:
Gojo even before the fight began, where he went on to turn off his infinity (And most likely CE reinforcement. Which he seems to given he's now inside the barrier and went on to turn off his infinity??) was offguarded and stabbed, proceeded to -> Flow his CE to reinforce himself. That being his stats obv.
So in order: Flow your CE to reinforce yourself -> Activate your CT and then reinforce it to create lapse -> point his hand forward towards toji to send him flying, ALL before Toji could cause further damage.

Here are the events for the second speed feat where gojo is blatantly faster:

Funnily enough even the volume summary supports this.
10月31日、五条封印を目論む呪霊達が渋谷一帯を封鎖し「渋谷事変」が勃発する。一般人を盾にされながらも敵を圧倒する五条だったが、夏油の姿をした"何者かにより獄門疆に囚われてしまう。虎杖はメカ丸の端末の指示で、高専側の行動を阻害する"帳"を守る呪詛師を倒すが、かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?
On October 31st, a major incident known as the "Shibuya Incident" breaks out as curses plotting to seal Gojo Satoru block off the entire district of Shibuya. Despite using civilians as shields, Gojo, who defeated his enemies with overwhelming strength, was imprisoned in the Prison Realm by someone disguised as Suguru Geto. Following Mechamaru's instructions, Yuji Itadori defeats a curse user guarding the "Curtain" that is hindering the Jujutsu High's actions, but the body of Toji Zenin, who once even gave Gojo a hard time, is restored using a resurrection technique !?

Breakdown of the specific wording used:
A breakdown of it would be like:

"かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?"

Breaking it down:

• かつて (katsute): "once" or "in the past"
• 五条をも (Gojo o mo): "even Gojo"

- を (o): object marker
- も (mo): "also" or "even"

• 苦しめた (kurushimeta): past tense of "to cause suffering" or "to trouble"
• 禪院甚爾の肉体 (Zen'in Toji no nikutai): "the body of Toji Zen'in"
• が (ga): subject marker
• 降霊術で蘇り!? (kōreijutsu de yomigaeri!?): "is resurrected through a spirit-summoning technique!?"

Explanation of the Nuance:

The key phrase here is "五条をも苦しめた" (Gojo o mo kurushimeta), which translates to "who once even troubled Gojo."

• も (mo): The use of "も" is significant. It means "also" or "even," emphasizing that causing trouble to Gojo is noteworthy because Gojo is exceptionally powerful.
• 苦しめた (kurushimeta): This verb means "caused suffering," "troubled," or "gave a hard time."

Understanding the Implication:

In Japanese, saying someone "even troubled Gojo" implies that:

• Toji Zen'in was strong or skilled (Both actually) enough to challenge Gojo.
• However, it doesn't necessarily mean Toji was Gojo's equal in overall power or ability.
• The emphasis is on the unexpectedness or impressiveness that someone could give Gojo—a top-tier sorcerer—a difficult time.

[Why it doesn't imply equality:]

• The phrase focuses on the exceptional feat of troubling Gojo, not on establishing equality. This is important to note as to what this context would imply.
• In Japanese storytelling, highlighting that a character "even caused problems for [a powerful character]" serves to elevate the former's reputation without declaring them equal.
• It's a way to show that Toji is formidable in his own right, capable of exploiting weaknesses or situations to his advantage. (We know this by context as well from the manga. The scans above this volume summary translation supports it)

Conclusion:

The Japanese expression conveys that Toji Zen'in was a significant threat who managed to challenge Gojo unexpectedly or impressively, without necessarily being his equal in power. This nuance is captured by the use of "も" (even) and "苦しめた" (gave a hard time/troubled), indicating that while Toji may not match Gojo's abilities overall, he was still able to make a considerable impact against him.


Which is true since his whole plan is: Get him nerfed. -> Sneak attack him -> Do this again but with a "chaff grenade" to obstruct his vision, impeding his senses -> gojo ""killed""

So to summarise: Teen gojo does definitely have scaling: supported by the narrative and by toji himself - he does not think he can win and would lose against pre rct gojo, but if gojo is nerfed and he uses prep time he can then win, and even then we're told by volume summary that Pre rct hyper fatigued gojo is > Toji.

Awakened gojo >>> Pre rct gojo (normal) > Nerfed Pre rct gojo > Toji. Nothing one shot level or blitz level for pre rct gojo vs Toji tho. Just clearly superior in stats.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Please shut up.

aight brodie I concede too

 

[Giannysmag]

No, THIS is the damage we're talking about. Why are you acting like this never happened? We're talking about Shinjuku Yuta, not Sendai. He's much stronger, and that's why his Shikigamis dealt this kind of damage to Sukuna. Show me ONE durability feat from this Gojo that compares with this Sukuna and I'll say you're right.

And you are acting like the damage to Uro didn't happen either. This is Yuta's technique when amped by domain which again he went get off

Gojo was keeping his space and Toji was attacking with chains. Yuta and Rika will press him by going hand-to-hand and doesn't matter how much he tries to ge away, they will both go press him physically and with stuff that bypasses his Infinity. In Domain is even worse because Infinity is completely off and he will have to worry with getting damage with something that nulls his CT.

Gojo can easily keep his disctance against Yuta and Rika too with Blue and Red

 

[M3X_2.0]

And you are acting like the damage to Uro didn't happen either. This is Yuta's technique when amped by domain which again he went get off

I'm not? It did, but that's a weaker Yuta. What's yout point in all of this? Why would Dhruv's Shikigamis cause the damage it cause to Uro and not the one it caused to Sukuna? Are you trolling now?

Gojo can easily keep his disctance against Yuta and Rika too with Blue and Red

And they will keep closing this distance. He won't be able to run inside the Domain while getting blasted by JL and not being able to use Blue, Red or Purple.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

I don't see why gojo can't use simple domain + infinity and just camp it out. When Yuta's DE runs out of time for keeping it active for so long, either due to Ce expenditure or the like, gojo is just gonna pull up a finisher and gg.
Either way he could simply just summon a Simple Domain, and with infinity on, which means yuta can't touch shit nor can the sure hit destroy the SD in time - Gojo will finish purple and fire it away - destroying Yuta's domain barrier.

Like this deadass exists as the move he can pull off. Also again Gojo is > Kashimo, Yorozu etc right after awakening. Why are we ignoring this scaling that is already above Yuta's? There's a clear physical stat superiority here.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Argue with a wall dude.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Argue with a wall dude.

Aight man. Agree to disagree then.

 

[SunDaGamer]

? He can't use teleportation if that's what you're talking about. He says as much. Or well - He says he's literally working on it 1 year later after awakening.

Other than that, I have to work on my Domain and long-distance teleportation techniques

if you want to bring in the anime then we can literally see Gojo clasping his hands together to activate Blue's short range teleport against Sukuna and Miguel.

EDIT: I just realised this image is Gojo after using that very hand sign to short range teleport in chapter 2 against Sukuna

 

[Ped2018]

Yuta slams

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

if you want to bring in the anime then we can literally see Gojo clasping his hands together to activate Blue's short range teleport against Sukuna and Miguel

Which like. Proves my point further actually - Even in short distances he clasps his hand. Against Jizo or whatever the goon's name is - the GW goon, he teleported by clasping his hands

In the toji sequence there is quite literally no indication of him clasping his hands first - which is almost always the case WHEN gojo IS on screen. There is no such thing. Additionally, Gojo never had access to or mentioned teleportation whatsoever throughout the entire HI arc, and it only gets mentioned after his fight with Toji 1 year later. All other instances of teleportation mentioned and what not comes with Post Awakened gojo or adult gojo. Even the flashbacks we have from Kenjaku points towards the GW example and not HI arc, despite the flashback serving as the most recent example in Manga chronological order so to speak.

Also. Is there ever any mention of SHORT distance teleportation?
Even here it doesn't mention any.

It's either teleportation, or as gojo named it - Long distance teleportation. Which honestly might be the same. As for Shinjuku arc - it mentions the same thing - teleportation. That's it.

Still weird that there is no showing of Gojo supposedly clasping his hands BEFORE teleporting. So honestly I'm starting to think gojo clasped his hands for red instead, either or, he tried something after jumping away.

1:24 to 1:28

I'm afraid gojo never teleported tbh.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

EDIT: I just realised this image is Gojo after using that very hand sign to short range teleport in chapter 2 against Sukuna

How did you not know this


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