Giannysmag
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Nah I'm not. Yuta has no way of bypassing infinty aside from domains sure hit and Gojo can just one shot him with Purple
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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This Gojo's Infinity is based on reaction and it's not automatic. He does not have a Domain and his only anti-Domain technique does not prevent him from being hit, just weakens the sure hit. Yuta knows Purple, he actually knows how to perform it by himself, since well, Gojuta happened. Yuta won't let him use Purple, and he stats gap this Gojo.
Giannysmag
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And this Gojo can consistently react to Toji so Yuta sure as hell ain't getting past infinity
Even so Jacobs Ladder wouldn't be an instant gg anyway
Knowing Purple doesn't really do anything for him here. It only takes one hand movement to perform and could blitz Toji despite his super senses
He really doesn't aside from striking strength which doesn't even matter since again Purple one shots
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So he blitzes with Blue? I don't see the issue.
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Issue he’s trying to bring up is that people make it seem like it’s his physical reactions and speed and not just blue that lets him move that fast
Arkenis
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Its like we don't agree with the literal profiles WE worked on. Ya switch positions all the time. Toji did not keep up with his movements, Toji looked to the rigth AFTER Gojo already moved and the anime shows this better.
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It's not just Yuta, it's both Yuta and Rika attacking from different angles at the same time, while Dhruv's shikigamis can bypass Infinity, and there's multiple of them. The moment Yuta opens his Domain, Infinity is done for.
It doesn't need to be. Deactivating his CT and letting this Gojo with only CE reinforcement is enough. He doesn't have any feats anyway. Will get cooked.
Of course it does, he knows it's hard to pull off, he saw adult Gojo having difficulty to pull it off against Sukuna, he himself was prevented by Sukuna from pulling it off. Gojo never blitzed Toji, pay attention, Toji clearly kept up with him.
Superior striking strength and dutability, the moment Gojo tries to engage in hand to hand he gets cooked. Your win condition for Gojo is his ultimate move that can be prevented if Yuta and Rika presses him, or literally just spam any CT.
That's the thing, he doesn't blitz with Blue. Never did.
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Tbf the post Awakening and Blue ratings on his speed should get merged since it's a feat done through Blue
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Do we have any specific indication that he used Blue? Cuz we see him sidestep Toji's first swing and then he just disappears
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I never worked on anything related to speed, I don't care if we rate Gojo blitzing Toji, this is WRONG because it didn't happen.
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His handsign.
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Giannysmag
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Oh say it ain't so. Two people attacking at the same time??? How could Gojo possible counter this, it's not like he could maintian infinity permanently for three days straight and easily has the reaction speed to handle them
That shit barely scratched Uro he eats them up
Sukuna was getting blasted by JL and could still use WCS
Purple is not hard to pull of lmao, it literally takes one hand movement and he could do that so fast it got fired off while Toji was mid swing. The only reason it took a lot of effort during the Sukuna fight was because Suk had him locked in a 3v1 where his technique could be deactivated by Maho,
I'm talking about Purple you poop brain
There is no reason to assume Gojo would even try to engage in H2H. Against Toji he gained distance with Blue, blasted him with Red and one shot him with Purple and that was that. He could easily do the same against Yuta. Also how tf are they gonna press him when neither of them can negate infinity without the Domain
Giannysmag
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Yuta's wincon: Domain Expansion + Jacobs Ladder + Rika + Space Manip + Druv Shikigami
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Gojo's wincon: Purple lmao
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So what? It's two dudes much stronger and durable than him, even if he kept it for three days, that two characters much stronger than the Toji he faced, it's not about speed to react and use it, it's about getting overwhelmed with a lot of Cursed Techniques and one or two of them can bypass Inifnity.
Doesn't matter, **** Uro. It did this to this Sukuna who's far more durable than that Gojo.
Did you forget everything you knew about JJK or something? That specific JL was used with the purpose of stunning Sukuna and weakening the boundary between Megumi and Sukuna souls so Yuji could reach for Megumi. Like, do you even know how JL works? It's not like it's permanent or anything, it's during the use. As long as JL keeps hitting Gojo (It will, FBE won't counter that) he won't use Limitless.
Purple is hard to pull off what the hell are you even talking about? Gojo had Sukuna and Mahoraga on his ass and it was hard for him to use it. Gojuta tried and Sukuna prevented, Cursed Speech helped him. Teen Gojo who's a far experienced fighter than Yuta will have to perform it while Rika is on his ass, he gets spammed with CTs and if he's inside Yuta's Domain he won't ever get the chance to perform that thanks to CT spam but better and lack of Infinity. You're very delusional if you think Gojo could do that in this situation.
Won't even get the chance to use that.
Yeah because if he does he gets stomped. Keeps his distance and he gets blasted with CE beams, Dhruv's Shikigamis, JL from distance, Sky Manipulation to avoid anything from Limitless.
You're being very delusional here if you think Gojo stands a chance.
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? He can't use teleportation if that's what you're talking about. He says as much. Or well - He says he's literally working on it 1 year later after awakening.
Also. He technically did blitz Toji though. Casual and high gojo easily evaded his attacks and moved so fast that toji only later noticed he was already far away. There's another speed feat where toji throws in his ISOH stuff and is kinda far away from gojo, but gojo somehow in his first time ever using purple - combined red and blue so fast to create purple, that he fired it off way faster than it could even reach or hit him, and toji literally couldn't do a single shit to get away despite his senses warning his ass. That's also kind of a blitz given how fast he pulled off the slowest move/action in his arsenal, literally slower than his own movements. So uh yeah. Gojo is quite literally that fast.
(interesting to note: the exhibition arc, in the HI arc section, Gege wrote that right after awakening gojo became solely the strongest in existence (Not jujutsu sorcerer. Straight up strongest in existence compared to everything. This wouldn't apply to Sukuna when he's split up obviously but Yuki and Toji and other people that are sealed up as well and also exist - Yorozu and the like, would be included in the category of "hey does this person exist?" existence)
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And that's all bro needs. Plus he counters De
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Let me rephrease:
Yuta's conditions:
- Sky Manipulation and he won't touch Yuta.
- Dhruv's Shikigamis can bypass Infinity.
- Better physicals.
- Shikigami stronger than him for distraction.
- Domain in which he can't counter because FBE doesn't prevent him from getting hit, Infinity won't work and will get constantly blasted with JL to null his CT.
- A technique that he won't get the chance to pull it off because two stronger characters are on his ass.
Any of these things can beat Gojo lmao be for real Arkenis did you get dumb now? He doesn't counter DE.
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There is no hand sign though. I don't think you can even say it objectively is when we're looking at the back of Gojo tbf. Besides that we never literally see blue teleportation like ever. It only gets mentioned later.
Besides that: We literally see Yuta in Gojo's body pull off a arguably kinda worse HP and he destroyed both Sukuna's and his own domain barrier.
So gojo could simply just do SD with infinity up and then quickly pull off a HP. Either that or play the long waiting game and sit there crouched to maintain SD output with infinity up
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Isn't the Limitless a huge problem for Sky Manipulation? They're attacks made from creating irregularities in space, so they probably can't be handwaved aside
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Be for real now and please keep up with the conversation.Ok that is in fact what happened
Thanks for making me actually search for it
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Simple domain and FBE.
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Not really? They're results of ******* up space, but I can see what you're talking about.
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He doesn't have SD when he was a teen, and FBE won't counter that, can you please read the arguments? How will FBE counter any complex sure hit dude?
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Potato potato. Attack reflection is most likely off the table
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Depends, Purple probably could get affected by SM since it's a big ball of energy and not really something ******* up space.
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? Then he heals off what Dhruv does.
As for sure hit - gojo simply just pops up
Yeah and gojo says he's working on teleportation 1 year later. Funnily enough we don't see any hand sign or anything in the anime.
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None of the sure hits are complex.
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Screw the anime then? What, do you want us to make the anime non canon now? Because he clearly makes a handsign for Blue and now you're making up excuses. And this is not tthe Gojo from 1 year later.Yeah and gojo says he's working on teleportation 1 year later. Funnily enough we don't see any hand sign or anything in the anime.
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Limitless is like >>> sky manipulation for whatever its worth.
Unless you have a reason that explains why you need six eyes to use limitless but not for Uro's technique.
Unless you have a reason that explains why you need six eyes to use limitless but not for Uro's technique.
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JL is complex, how will FBE block that? It doesn't prevent you from being hit, it weakens the sure hit.
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To be fair in that page he’s referring to long range teleportation. We already know he can use blue for relatively short range teleports (like with bag dude)? He can't use teleportation if that's what you're talking about. He says as much. Or well - He says he's literally working on it 1 year later after awakening.
Also. He technically did blitz Toji though. Casual and high gojo easily evaded his attacks and moved so fast that toji only later noticed he was already far away. There's another speed feat where toji throws in his ISOH stuff and is kinda far away from gojo, but gojo somehow in his first time ever using purple - combined red and blue so fast to create purple, that he fired it off way faster than it could even reach or hit him, and toji literally couldn't do a single shit to get away despite his senses warning his ass. That's also kind of a blitz given how fast he pulled off the slowest move/action in his arsenal, literally slower than his own movements. So uh yeah. Gojo is quite literally that fast.
(interesting to note: the exhibition arc, in the HI arc section, Gege wrote that right after awakening gojo became solely the strongest in existence (Not jujutsu sorcerer. Straight up strongest in existence compared to everything. This wouldn't apply to Sukuna when he's split up obviously but Yuki and Toji and other people that are sealed up as well and also exist - Yorozu and the like, would be included in the category of "hey does this person exist?" existence)
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? Nothing says that blue gojo > CT Miguel. Best you can go for is >=
Again, this is contradictory as hell.
Dude. You are blatantly ignoring the very large difference that no amount of "Yeah he is consistently more durable than he is powerful" is gonna work. I've already debunked how that makes no sense. You've got no evidence to make this assertion.
? Dude went REL with Sukuna there and had to surprise him, which Sukuna still reacted. This is not gojo level stats. You're just yapping to yap.
This nerfed Sukuna is several levels below himselfinconsistent argument.
I'll take that as you not having a counter argument and that you're just yapping to yap. Thanks.
It actually IS as big as an amp that I'm making it to be. I implore you to reread Megumi vs second finger bearer and how large of a difference there is. Megumi got knocked out COLD.
That Naobito nerf only comes afterwards. Naobito was perception blitzing dagon, then Dagon went a speed level higher and knocked his ass away. The Anime shows it more impressively. Much faster than before.
???? Just a bunch of yap that you can't even prove to be related to this. He did not get a emotional amp. He had a enlightenment and unlocked DE. This was DE amp. Take it or leave it.
Reggie is simply just that guy. Next argument.
Uh no. This isn't supported at all. Gojo says as much in 228 that their only way of fighting is h2h DA. (For Sukuna that is) and we see that as much. Sukuna always uses DA whenever he interacts or fights with gojo with infinity on. Chapter 227. 228. 229.
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This translation supports it as much. And we even have feats for it. Not to mention, it would be very suspicious of Sukuna to turn it off whenever he's fighting Gojo as he would NOTICE. Which wouldn't be good for Sukuna's plan. Him for some reason turning it off whilst engaging in combat would be suspicious when gojo goes in for the hit. So he can only do this whenever THEY'RE not in combat, basically brief moments or the like. In chapter 229, before they begin their final domain expansion, we see Gojo and Sukuna in a "clash" of sorts, with his lunch being very close to his face which Sukuna is clearly holding. There is very much evidence and implications towards Sukuna using DA than him not using it. His face being torn apart like that comes after that particular panel. So no red.
Additionally. Compare this to chapter 226 red and the wound Sukuna took at 229 in the panel you showed, there is a clear difference of what is "scorch/burn marks" and a simple face being torn apart with the muscles of the face showing.
No. You're making UP points that isn't even supported by the narrative.
Everybody else there either thinks he's gonna regain his rct output. Maki knows this. Choso knows this. Yuji knows this. But they all also know what a BF does - you start getting into the zone and basically stronger. Output is being restored not just rct. It's also why Miguel says his momentum is on the rise because that's what a BF is about.
Nowhere IS it stated that he's afraid he'll regain his domain expansion. I have no idea as to how you think Miguel would supposedly know how to regain back your crippled domain from brain damage, which even nobody else knows when they know Sukuna is suffering brain damage. Sukuna only figured this out through multiple BF, which allowed him to figure one out and do it via binding vows + hand sign swapped.
Then Sukuna gets SURPRISED. Very shocked to see Sukuna pull off a DE. Is this the same guy you're saying that expected Sukuna to pull of a DE soon? Yeah your argument has little to no evidence and is just headcanon.
Funnily enough. Miguel doesn't only speak about no domain Sukuna, but a Sukuna that is also nerfed. They also observe his current state of injuries and note that: Heart missing, some limbs too, rct output garbage, etc. You're acting as if Miguel said he would fight 20F full health Sukuna with no domainthis is the craziest Miguel glaze I've ever seen. Which needs to fall off.
Also. Sukuna's slashes and himself clearly got stronger. Sukuna and Miguel clearly exchange hands for one brief moment, Miguel goes back and spams his ability which not only buffs him but also debuffed Sukuna and yet he could do Jack shit.This Gojo rival ain't allat. He couldn't even continue pressuring Sukuna or to prevent him from punching Larue despite being supposedly gojo level in stats. I'm ngl you're just arguing atp for agenda.
Not sure if you can notice but Miguel is going relative to Sukuna in physicals but outperforms him after the buff and debuff, and if he was gojo level as you're making him to be then he'd simply ignore any of his attacks and punches and blitz and overpower him every single moment with no diff
Put adult gojo without blue or anything and he'd manhandle Sukuna without the latter being able to do any single scratch or overpower. He's just getting slapped up for free and blitzed every second.
Being gojo level would still make you a god tier which isn't even supported by the narrative. Again you're holding a very disingenuous premise.
But fine let's do a dissection of that statement.
I've previously went over this before and had some confusion [Before]
For starters, to explain my confusion. The narrator talks about Miguel's CT. How it improves his physical capabilities, by buffing himself. How he can debuff others too, their stats.
Gojo says it is pretty useful but not that scary.
Yuta asks him if it is dangerous to him.
Gojo goes off about him and Miguel in a 1vs1 fight no CT and only ce reinforcement and talks about who would win in skill.
This is where my confusion comes in - Yuta asked him if this was dangerous to him. But gojo responded with what to me looks like a whole different non related answer.
Gojo has his infinity. He can use domain expansion (something Miguel is afraid of), red to repell Miguel and blue to attract, etc. Even teleport. To me, Yuta's question is nonsense because Miguel can't bypass Gojo's infinity to threaten him with that CT to begin with, nor pose any danger to gojo at all who can unleash his DE.
But then gojo proceeds to exclude out Miguel's CT when that was the topic about whether it can pose danger to gojo or not, to talk about CE reinforcement contest in skill only.
There's a reasoning for these questions and confusion above that I presented.
Let's begin: Gojo's presenting a metric where Miguel would logically be a problem, which is H2H skill.
In the scenario where gojo is unable to use his CT, or his capacity to utilize CE for whatever reason is stifled, Miguel would be a threat. Because he’s a better offensive striker than gojo is, which is pretty bad for him. Because gojo utilizes defensive counter based styles into mostly relentless offense. If he’s fighting someone that does that BETTER than he does and he can’t just outstat or outhax Miguel, he's in trouble.
He’s referring to this in equivalent to his CT, because Miguel’s CT informs his fighting style.
So gojo's picking out the specific part of Miguel that would be a issue.
You might ask "Yeah but he says that without their CT in usage no?"
Yeah but Miguel’s Fighting style is influenced innately by the technique he was born with. So gojo's going to associate that as a part of Miguel.
The example of if whatever reason gojo is unable to out hax or completely outstat Miguel, gojo is in trouble.
Gojo is mentioning to Yuta a facet where Miguel would be dangerous for him. And that's literally just it.
You, for whatever reason assume this is a case where gojo is at full reinforcement. Even though all gojo is saying is that, Miguel is a better offensive striker and so if for whatever reason they were on a equal playing field, Gojo is screwed.
You for example might think that Gojo is saying Miguel as a whole is a issue. Which isn't true. Rather, he's mentioning a facet where Miguel is a threat, the part of Miguel that is dangerous under circumstances that stifled gojo in various aspects that I mentioned above.
If gojo meant that Miguel was 20F in stats which you are going with, he wouldn't refer to Miguel's skill specifically. He would just say "oh well Miguel has physicals on par with me". And the other context from manga is
“Miguel doesn’t want to box with a Flow state nerfed sukuna”
“Maybe he’s not on sukunas level“
Ik you might ask "How would you know he's referring to his skill specifically. He says physical contest with only CE reinforcement and says it comes down to their skill doesn't that mean their equal or relative"
The answer to that is: Because he mentions skill as the primary difference that makes Miguel a issue. If Miguel's physicals were a problem he'd just say “Well Miguel has equal stats to me”
Like bro, use context clues HERE.
Miguel can outskill sukuna whilst spamming his CT, but it does no damage. And he fears Sukuna once he gets into a flow state enough to run away even though it's a 4vs1.
What does that tell you?
He barely held off from a Vol 0 gojo and didn't land one hit on him, whilst getting hit with shit like wing chun beatdown and chased around. This was one eye concealed gojo too (it's stated that blindfold or the like dampen the power of six eyes) and a gojo very clearly holding back if it wasn't obvious.
What does that tell you?
Gojo thinks the issue is that Miguel is a more skilled striker than he is, but here Miguel is getting slapped around by Gojo.
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And he gets scared off by Sukuna the moment he goes into flow from one BF.
I'm sorry but Miguel is not a god tier physical stats guy on the level of Gojo. If he was he'd be bullying Sukuna with the nonstop blitzing and never allow him to perform one single DE with the sheer speed difference.
Bruh. You wrote a book in response to a few paragraphs, throughout Heaven and Earth this alone is the Honored Shotgun
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It's a beam of light. And that also has to be chosen from Yuta, something Gojo will pick up instantly. That also not gonna kill Gojo. It's actually worthless
