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I don't think you get it so let me make it very clear. Gojo has the six eyes, he can sense everything Yuta or Rika can throw at him and defend accordingly, hell Toji needed to wear him down for 3 days straight just so he can get a chance at a sneak attack. And that's a guy that is virtually invisible to everyone other than Gojo, let alone Yuta's ass that everyone can sense from a mile away. And he can maintain that shit for days on end, he is not getting overwhelmedSo what? It's two dudes much stronger and durable than him, even if he kept it for three days, that two characters much stronger than the Toji he faced, it's not about speed to react and use it, it's about getting overwhelmed with a lot of Cursed Techniques and one or two of them can bypass Inifnity.
Those are also scratches lmao and this is a very nerfed Sukuna too. If anything the fact that him and Uro recieved similair damage from the Shikigami is an antifeat for this Sukuna
Doesn't matter, **** Uro. It did this to this Sukuna who's far more durable than that Gojo.
Fair enough on thisDid you forget everything you knew about JJK or something? That specific JL was used with the purpose of stunning Sukuna and weakening the boundary between Megumi and Sukuna souls so Yuji could reach for Megumi. Like, do you even know how JL works? It's not like it's permanent or anything, it's during the use. As long as JL keeps hitting Gojo (It will, FBE won't counter that) he won't use Limitless.
Yea because Yuta is ass with Gojo's technique, that is stated several timesPurple is hard to pull off what the hell are you even talking about? Gojo had Sukuna and Mahoraga on his ass and it was hard for him to use it. Gojuta tried and Sukuna prevented, Cursed Speech helped him.
He just Blues to a few meter to the side and blasts them idk why that is so insane for you to grasp. He already did this to another top tier who was also attacking him and actually had the means of getting past infinityTeen Gojo who's a far experienced fighter than Yuta will have to perform it while Rika is on his ass, he gets spammed with CTs and if he's inside Yuta's Domain he won't ever get the chance to perform that thanks to CT spam but better and lack of Infinity. You're very delusional if you think Gojo could do that in this situation.
Be so fr with me rnWon't even get the chance to use that.
Cool... he won't fight in H2H thenYeah because if he does he gets stomped.
CE beams don't get past infinity, Druv's Shikigami are ass, he blues out of the way of JL and he blitzes with Purple before Yuta can use sky manip. You are being delusional if you think Yuta has a chance outside of his domain and he won't even get the time to set that up cause he'll have been turned into a donutKeeps his distance and he gets blasted with CE beams, Dhruv's Shikigamis, JL from distance, Sky Manipulation to avoid anything from Limitless.
You're being very delusional here if you think Gojo stands a chance.
Yeah and I'm telling you that Gojo HIMSELF says he needs to work on developing his teleportation technique m3x.Screw the anime then? What, do you want us to make the anime non canon now? Because he clearly makes a handsign for Blue and now you're making up excuses. And this is not tthe Gojo from 1 year later.
Nah Awakened Gojo is 8-A here since for some reason we still don't have Toji scaling to other top tiers, so we gotta wait for that firstMake the match.
YepThe discussion is Shinjuku Yuta vs Awakened Teen Gojo right
Bag dude?To be fair in that page he’s referring to long range teleportation. We already know he can use blue for relatively short range teleports (like with bag dude)
Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..How does Yuta even resist max blue??
If I may mention -Purple is hard to pull off what the hell are you even talking about? Gojo had Sukuna and Mahoraga on his ass and it was hard for him to use it. Gojuta tried and Sukuna prevented, Cursed Speech helped him. Teen Gojo who's a far experienced fighter than Yuta will have to perform it while Rika is on his ass, he gets spammed with CTs and if he's inside Yuta's Domain he won't ever get the chance to perform that thanks to CT spam but better and lack of Infinity. You're very delusional if you think Gojo could do that in this situation.
Nah yeah I reread the chapter he pulled bag dude in with blue. Misremembered cause of the anime sceneBag dude?
Well. There is no short distance teleportation tho.
Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..
Toji says as much. And the exhibition arc literally tells us Awakened gojo is > Yuki, Yorozu, Kashimo etc.
The only thing carrying Yuta is a DE
Which guess what? Yuta in gojo's body pulled off purple and one shotted not only Sukuna's DE but also his own and they were smaller so their strength is higher. This all happened inside.
Revision happens so much with jjk characters spots in the scaling. Awakened Gojo was literally top 5 just a year or so ago, now he's losing to randomsWhy are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..
And I'll have to explain to you because somehow you still misses the point: I'm not talking about sneak attacks or sensing the opponent, I'm talking about getting overwhelmed with things that can bypass his Infinity like Dhruv's Shikigamis' and JL that I'm pretty sure will bypass it. Take that with two other characters pressing him and he's cooked. I don't even know why we're discussing about this when it will get deactivated with DE.I don't think you get it so let me make it very clear. Gojo has the six eyes, he can sense everything Yuta or Rika can throw at him and defend accordingly, hell Toji needed to wear him down for 3 days straight just so he can get a chance at a sneak attack. And that's a guy that is virtually invisible to everyone other than Gojo, let alone Yuta's ass that everyone can sense from a mile away. And he can maintain that shit for days on end, he is not getting overwhelmed
Dude who the **** do you think Teen Gojo is to think he can tank this? He has NO durability feats, that Sukuna was still fresh as ****, tanking all Yuji punches, had just fought Kashimo and after that a weaker Sukuna was tanking Maki, Yuji and a bunch of other characters, was eating Black Flashes left and right. Be for real this Gojo is a fraud without any feats. He's not tanking that. It's not an anti feat for Sukuna, Yuta got stronger, so did his techniques.Those are also scratches lmao and this is a very nerfed Sukuna too. If anything the fact that him and Uro recieved similair damage from the Shikigami is an antifeat for this Sukuna
He's not ass, it's his second use. Anyone pressing Teen Gojo like Sukuna did with Gojuta will prevent him to use that.Yea because Yuta is ass with Gojo's technique, that is stated several times
He uses Blue to get space and then Yuta covers that space and keeps pressing him with shit. Why do you think his Purple is instantaneous like that? He clearly caught Toji by surprise because Toji didn't knew what Purple was. Yuta knows, he knows the handsign and everything. He's completely avoiding that lmao.He just Blue's to a few meter to side and blasts them idk why that is so insane for you to grasp. He already did this to another top tier who was also attacking him and actually had the means of getting past infinity
Yes I am???? You're so biased dude, why will Gojo use Purple first than Yuta will use anything else? Yuta has much more in hig bag, Gojo won't blitz, won't donut, won't do shit.Be so fr with me rn
CE beams will still press him, Dhruv's Shikigamis will damage him. If it damaged that Sukuna it will damage anyone lmao. Gojo has no stats to blitz Yuta, he won't do shit.CE beams don't get past infinity, Druv's Shikigami are ass, he blues out of the way of JL and he blitzes with Purple before Yuta can use sky manip. You are being delusional if you think Yuta has a chance outside of his domain and he won't even get the time to set that up cause he'll have been turned into a donut
Bag dude?
Well. There is no short distance teleportation tho.
Why are we even suddenly wanking Yuta above Awakened gojo when he's like stats wise heavy hitter level which Awakened gojo has long ago transcended..
Toji says as much. And the exhibition arc literally tells us Awakened gojo is > Yuki, Yorozu, Kashimo etc.
The only thing carrying Yuta is a DE
Which guess what? Yuta in gojo's body pulled off purple and one shotted not only Sukuna's DE but also his own and they were smaller so their strength is higher. This all happened inside.
Ah okay. It's fine.Nah yeah I reread the chapter he pulled bag dude in with blue. Misremembered cause of the anime scene
May I remind you that this is the damage the Shikigami you are putting all your faith in did to a character with no dura feats eitherAnd I'll have to explain to you because somehow you still misses the point: I'm not talking about sneak attacks or sensing the opponent, I'm talking about getting overwhelmed with things that can bypass his Infinity like Dhruv's Shikigamis' and JL that I'm pretty sure will bypass it. Take that with two other characters pressing him and he's cooked. I don't even know why we're discussing about this when it will get deactivated with DE.
Dude who the ** do you think Teen Gojo is to think he can tank this? He has NO durability feats, that Sukuna was still fresh as **, tanking all Yuji punches, had just fought Kashimo and after that a weaker Sukuna was tanking Maki, Yuji and a bunch of other characters, was eating Black Flashes left and right. Be for real this Gojo is a fraud without any feats. He's not tanking that. It's not an anti feat for Sukuna, Yuta got stronger, so did his techniques.
So you just gonna ignore how he pulled it off against Toji despite Toji also pressing himHe's not ass, it's his second use. Anyone pressing Teen Gojo like Sukuna did with Gojuta will prevent him to use that.
Rare Arkenis WBlitzes Yuta, one shots Yuta, better senses, better kit, better fighter. Really don't get how this is being discussed.
Idk what you're talking about. Gojo has better speed and has purple to end Yuta. That 7-C meta is going down to the ground.Arkenis shut the hell up. He won't do any of that. That Gojo doesn't have any stats to do that, he gets cook in hand to hand and Yuta is a far better fighter.
Yeah I don't get how's this getting discussed either, Gojo gets Domain diffed.
Goddammit yall are annoying as shit. You know damn well Gojo doesn't win this Arkenis.
No, THIS is the damage we're talking about. Why are you acting like this never happened? We're talking about Shinjuku Yuta, not Sendai. He's much stronger, and that's why his Shikigamis dealt this kind of damage to Sukuna. Show me ONE durability feat from this Gojo that compares with this Sukuna and I'll say you're right.May I remind you that this is the damage the Shikigami you are putting all your faith in did to a character with no dura feats either
Gojo was keeping his space and Toji was attacking with chains. Yuta and Rika will press him by going hand-to-hand and doesn't matter how much he tries to ge away, they will both go press him physically and with stuff that bypasses his Infinity. In Domain is even worse because Infinity is completely off and he will have to worry with getting damage with something that nulls his CT.So you just gonna ignore how he pulled it off against Toji despite Toji also pressing him
Please shut up.Idk what you're talking about. Gojo has better speed and has purple to end Yuta. That 7-C meta is going down to the ground.
It's kinda crazy as to how heavily implied it is that Pre rct gojo was also > Toji that very same heavy hitter in the same ballpark as Yuta and Hakari. I'm not saying one shot level or anything but, toji literally speaks as to how he wants to nerf gojo. He sneak attacks gojo -> piercing through his stomach and giving him somewhat "serious" injury. So now this heavily fatigued gojo fights Toji -> Toji then does another sneak attack, one where gojo worried about amanai, giving him another opening whilst gojo is surrounded by hundreds of flyheads that explicitly act as chaff grenade as Gojo said.Blitzes Yuta, one shots Yuta, better senses, better kit, better fighter. Really don't get how this is being discussed.
Please shut up.
It's kinda crazy as to how heavily implied it is that Pre rct gojo was also > Toji that very same heavy hitter in the same ballpark as Yuta and Hakari. I'm not saying one shot level or anything but, toji literally speaks as to how he wants to nerf gojo. He sneak attacks gojo -> piercing through his stomach and giving him somewhat "serious" injury. So now this heavily fatigued gojo fights Toji -> Toji then does another sneak attack, one where gojo worried about amanai, giving him another opening whilst gojo is surrounded by hundreds of flyheads that explicitly act as chaff grenade as Gojo said.
There's even two speed feats where gojo is kinda blatantly faster than toji.
When gojo turns around to focus on Amanai, Toji pops up behind gojo and goes in for the stab, this very same gojo gets caught off guard and turns around, turning his entire body fast enough till Toji reaches and stabs him, the same toji that was in midst of lunging for him. This is the very same heavily fatigued gojo + wounded. Bro is deadass relative to Toji man
Anime and manga about the same
2:40
As for the second speed feat:
Gojo even before the fight began, where he went on to turn off his infinity (And most likely CE reinforcement. Which he seems to given he's now inside the barrier and went on to turn off his infinity??) was offguarded and stabbed, proceeded to -> Flow his CE to reinforce himself. That being his stats obv.
So in order: Flow your CE to reinforce yourself -> Activate your CT and then reinforce it to create lapse -> point his hand forward towards toji to send him flying, ALL before Toji could cause further damage.
Here are the events for the second speed feat where gojo is blatantly faster:
Funnily enough even the volume summary supports this.
10月31日、五条封印を目論む呪霊達が渋谷一帯を封鎖し「渋谷事変」が勃発する。一般人を盾にされながらも敵を圧倒する五条だったが、夏油の姿をした"何者かにより獄門疆に囚われてしまう。虎杖はメカ丸の端末の指示で、高専側の行動を阻害する"帳"を守る呪詛師を倒すが、かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?
On October 31st, a major incident known as the "Shibuya Incident" breaks out as curses plotting to seal Gojo Satoru block off the entire district of Shibuya. Despite using civilians as shields, Gojo, who defeated his enemies with overwhelming strength, was imprisoned in the Prison Realm by someone disguised as Suguru Geto. Following Mechamaru's instructions, Yuji Itadori defeats a curse user guarding the "Curtain" that is hindering the Jujutsu High's actions, but the body of Toji Zenin, who once even gave Gojo a hard time, is restored using a resurrection technique !?
Breakdown of the specific wording used:
A breakdown of it would be like:
"かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?"
Breaking it down:
- を (o): object marker
- かつて (katsute): "once" or "in the past"
- 五条をも (Gojo o mo): "even Gojo"
- も (mo): "also" or "even"
- 苦しめた (kurushimeta): past tense of "to cause suffering" or "to trouble"
- 禪院甚爾の肉体 (Zen'in Toji no nikutai): "the body of Toji Zen'in"
- が (ga): subject marker
- 降霊術で蘇り!? (kōreijutsu de yomigaeri!?): "is resurrected through a spirit-summoning technique!?"
Explanation of the Nuance:
The key phrase here is "五条をも苦しめた" (Gojo o mo kurushimeta), which translates to "who once even troubled Gojo."
Understanding the Implication:
- も (mo): The use of "も" is significant. It means "also" or "even," emphasizing that causing trouble to Gojo is noteworthy because Gojo is exceptionally powerful.
- 苦しめた (kurushimeta): This verb means "caused suffering," "troubled," or "gave a hard time."
In Japanese, saying someone "even troubled Gojo" implies that:
- Toji Zen'in was strong or skilled (Both actually) enough to challenge Gojo.
- However, it doesn't necessarily mean Toji was Gojo's equal in overall power or ability.
- The emphasis is on the unexpectedness or impressiveness that someone could give Gojo—a top-tier sorcerer—a difficult time.
[Why it doesn't imply equality:]
- The phrase focuses on the exceptional feat of troubling Gojo, not on establishing equality. This is important to note as to what this context would imply.
- In Japanese storytelling, highlighting that a character "even caused problems for [a powerful character]" serves to elevate the former's reputation without declaring them equal.
- It's a way to show that Toji is formidable in his own right, capable of exploiting weaknesses or situations to his advantage. (We know this by context as well from the manga. The scans above this volume summary translation supports it)
Conclusion:
The Japanese expression conveys that Toji Zen'in was a significant threat who managed to challenge Gojo unexpectedly or impressively, without necessarily being his equal in power. This nuance is captured by the use of "も" (even) and "苦しめた" (gave a hard time/troubled), indicating that while Toji may not match Gojo's abilities overall, he was still able to make a considerable impact against him.
Which is true since his whole plan is: Get him nerfed. -> Sneak attack him -> Do this again but with a "chaff grenade" to obstruct his vision, impeding his senses -> gojo ""killed""
It's kinda crazy as to how heavily implied it is that Pre rct gojo was also > Toji that very same heavy hitter in the same ballpark as Yuta and Hakari. I'm not saying one shot level or anything but, toji literally speaks as to how he wants to nerf gojo. He sneak attacks gojo -> piercing through his stomach and giving him somewhat "serious" injury. So now this heavily fatigued gojo fights Toji -> Toji then does another sneak attack, one where gojo worried about amanai, giving him another opening whilst gojo is surrounded by hundreds of flyheads that explicitly act as chaff grenade as Gojo said.
There's even two speed feats where gojo is kinda blatantly faster than toji.
When gojo turns around to focus on Amanai, Toji pops up behind gojo and goes in for the stab, this very same gojo gets caught off guard and turns around, turning his entire body fast enough till Toji reaches and stabs him, the same toji that was in midst of lunging for him. This is the very same heavily fatigued gojo + wounded. Bro is deadass relative to Toji man
Anime and manga about the same
2:40
As for the second speed feat:
Gojo even before the fight began, where he went on to turn off his infinity (And most likely CE reinforcement. Which he seems to given he's now inside the barrier and went on to turn off his infinity??) was offguarded and stabbed, proceeded to -> Flow his CE to reinforce himself. That being his stats obv.
So in order: Flow your CE to reinforce yourself -> Activate your CT and then reinforce it to create lapse -> point his hand forward towards toji to send him flying, ALL before Toji could cause further damage.
Here are the events for the second speed feat where gojo is blatantly faster:
Funnily enough even the volume summary supports this.
10月31日、五条封印を目論む呪霊達が渋谷一帯を封鎖し「渋谷事変」が勃発する。一般人を盾にされながらも敵を圧倒する五条だったが、夏油の姿をした"何者かにより獄門疆に囚われてしまう。虎杖はメカ丸の端末の指示で、高専側の行動を阻害する"帳"を守る呪詛師を倒すが、かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?
On October 31st, a major incident known as the "Shibuya Incident" breaks out as curses plotting to seal Gojo Satoru block off the entire district of Shibuya. Despite using civilians as shields, Gojo, who defeated his enemies with overwhelming strength, was imprisoned in the Prison Realm by someone disguised as Suguru Geto. Following Mechamaru's instructions, Yuji Itadori defeats a curse user guarding the "Curtain" that is hindering the Jujutsu High's actions, but the body of Toji Zenin, who once even gave Gojo a hard time, is restored using a resurrection technique !?
Breakdown of the specific wording used:
A breakdown of it would be like:
"かつて五条をも苦しめた禪院甚爾の肉体が降霊術で蘇り!?"
Breaking it down:
- を (o): object marker
- かつて (katsute): "once" or "in the past"
- 五条をも (Gojo o mo): "even Gojo"
- も (mo): "also" or "even"
- 苦しめた (kurushimeta): past tense of "to cause suffering" or "to trouble"
- 禪院甚爾の肉体 (Zen'in Toji no nikutai): "the body of Toji Zen'in"
- が (ga): subject marker
- 降霊術で蘇り!? (kōreijutsu de yomigaeri!?): "is resurrected through a spirit-summoning technique!?"
Explanation of the Nuance:
The key phrase here is "五条をも苦しめた" (Gojo o mo kurushimeta), which translates to "who once even troubled Gojo."
Understanding the Implication:
- も (mo): The use of "も" is significant. It means "also" or "even," emphasizing that causing trouble to Gojo is noteworthy because Gojo is exceptionally powerful.
- 苦しめた (kurushimeta): This verb means "caused suffering," "troubled," or "gave a hard time."
In Japanese, saying someone "even troubled Gojo" implies that:
- Toji Zen'in was strong or skilled (Both actually) enough to challenge Gojo.
- However, it doesn't necessarily mean Toji was Gojo's equal in overall power or ability.
- The emphasis is on the unexpectedness or impressiveness that someone could give Gojo—a top-tier sorcerer—a difficult time.
[Why it doesn't imply equality:]
- The phrase focuses on the exceptional feat of troubling Gojo, not on establishing equality. This is important to note as to what this context would imply.
- In Japanese storytelling, highlighting that a character "even caused problems for [a powerful character]" serves to elevate the former's reputation without declaring them equal.
- It's a way to show that Toji is formidable in his own right, capable of exploiting weaknesses or situations to his advantage. (We know this by context as well from the manga. The scans above this volume summary translation supports it)
Conclusion:
The Japanese expression conveys that Toji Zen'in was a significant threat who managed to challenge Gojo unexpectedly or impressively, without necessarily being his equal in power. This nuance is captured by the use of "も" (even) and "苦しめた" (gave a hard time/troubled), indicating that while Toji may not match Gojo's abilities overall, he was still able to make a considerable impact against him.
Which is true since his whole plan is: Get him nerfed. -> Sneak attack him -> Do this again but with a "chaff grenade" to obstruct his vision, impeding his senses -> gojo ""killed""
aight brodie I concede tooPlease shut up.
And you are acting like the damage to Uro didn't happen either. This is Yuta's technique when amped by domain which again he went get offNo, THIS is the damage we're talking about. Why are you acting like this never happened? We're talking about Shinjuku Yuta, not Sendai. He's much stronger, and that's why his Shikigamis dealt this kind of damage to Sukuna. Show me ONE durability feat from this Gojo that compares with this Sukuna and I'll say you're right.
Gojo can easily keep his disctance against Yuta and Rika too with Blue and RedGojo was keeping his space and Toji was attacking with chains. Yuta and Rika will press him by going hand-to-hand and doesn't matter how much he tries to ge away, they will both go press him physically and with stuff that bypasses his Infinity. In Domain is even worse because Infinity is completely off and he will have to worry with getting damage with something that nulls his CT.
I'm not? It did, but that's a weaker Yuta. What's yout point in all of this? Why would Dhruv's Shikigamis cause the damage it cause to Uro and not the one it caused to Sukuna? Are you trolling now?And you are acting like the damage to Uro didn't happen either. This is Yuta's technique when amped by domain which again he went get off
And they will keep closing this distance. He won't be able to run inside the Domain while getting blasted by JL and not being able to use Blue, Red or Purple.Gojo can easily keep his disctance against Yuta and Rika too with Blue and Red
Aight man. Agree to disagree then.Argue with a wall dude.
? He can't use teleportation if that's what you're talking about. He says as much. Or well - He says he's literally working on it 1 year later after awakening.
if you want to bring in the anime then we can literally see Gojo clasping his hands together to activate Blue's short range teleport against Sukuna and Miguel.Other than that, I have to work on my Domain and long-distance teleportation techniques
Which like. Proves my point further actually - Even in short distances he clasps his hand. Against Jizo or whatever the goon's name is - the GW goon, he teleported by clasping his hands
How did you not know thisEDIT: I just realised this image is Gojo after using that very hand sign to short range teleport in chapter 2 against Sukuna
Sukuna mentioned it was not just speed giving a hint about Gojo used his CT I guess.
On a real note, can we start this 7-C stuff, what's every calc that's 7-C.
And I think Duedate's Sukuna scale works fine.It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.
8% of that would end up with them in 7-C