Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

Miguel ruins the scaling since Gojo made it obvious that he is talking about raw strenght in his statement

"Buf if Miguel and I competed physically without cursed techniques but with cursed energy reinforcement [...]" - Viz
"If Miguel and I were to fight bare knuckle with only cursed energy enhancement and no techniques [...]" - TCB

So except if we assume that Gojo is only High 7-C with CT, Miguel should be High 7-C

He's not talking about raw strength. You guys are focusing on ce reinforcement as if it proves something, its the main way sorcerers fight without ct, that's why Gojo says it, not because he's saying Miguel is strong as him. And what further proves this is about skill and how they fight is the line and point movement reference.

Lightning made a tweet about this and how its not about Miguel being strong as Gojo but about the way they both fight.
"Basically, Miguel is like the guy who wants to push as far as he can without necessarily defeating or killing his opponentGojo is all about the results and getting straight to the point (annihilating his opponent)"
"Yeah, without CT and with only CE reinforcement, I believe Gojo was referring to the way in which they fightMiguel likes to go big or go home, sometimes with great results. He’s not about the killGojo is all about lethality, making sure his opponent is incapacitated"

 

[JnSteHar002]

When it comes to Miguel scaling to Gojo, it can be tricky for me. Admittedly, I like it though, but still tricky.

• The chapter that brings it up not only has the that whole line movements statement and Gojo's bit of glazing for Miguel's physical stature and capabilities. Despite the "biases" that Miguel pointed out, nothing he says dissuades Gojo's assessment of his capabilities, just that it has nothing to w/his race and only w/Miguel being Miguel.
• Most interpretations of the line movements imply circumstances of an actual match, to me, and that they'd be somewhat comparable for it to happen. Otherwise, in that sense, it would sound like Goku fighting a Hercule w/better technique in certain areas.
• Not to mention how Miguel was able to take that beating from Gojo and "debatably" hold him off.

However, at least for me, I'm not sure what Gojo's physicals/CE reinforcement scales to since he utilizes Limitless so much in his fights and if that it can actually scale back to Gojo's physical capabilities in any way. My best guess, keyword GUESS, is that Gojo would scale to Sukuna and/or Yuta in terms of physicals/CE reinforcement.

Hope this makes sense!

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That's some mental gymnastics

Yuta asked if Miguel could beat Gojo
Gojo says no, that even without CT he could win with stamina
If the difference between Miguel and Gojo were as big as Low 7-C/High 7-C he would just say "Nah man, are you crazy? I would vaporize him in the first hit"

Lightning is the same guy that argued that Hakari decapitated Uraume, so I wouldn't take him like some WoG

 

[Duedate8898]

Huh how does Gojo's earthquake feat have to do with the eos characters?

It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.

8% of that would end up with them in 7-C

 

[Arkenis]

Lightning is the same guy that argued that Hakari decapitated Uraume, so I wouldn't take him like some WoG

I’m going with the fact he’s a real translator that’s translated jjk before and understands what’s being conveyed rather than going with the basic powerscaler assessment.

That's some mental gymnastics

Yuta asked if Miguel could beat Gojo
Gojo says no, that even without CT he could win with stamina
If the difference between Miguel and Gojo were as big as Low 7-C/High 7-C he would just say "Nah man, are you crazy? I would vaporize him in the first hit"

Maybe lets not assess the manga as though Gege knows about Low 7C and High 7C lmao.

 

[Arkenis]

It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.

8% of that would end up with them in 7-C

Really starting to feel like Sisyphus. But this doesn’t work since the context iirc is about his output with his ct not his physicals.

 

[Duedate8898]

It does work because Yuji is directly shown tanking Sukuna slashes with the lowered output. Even without a UES, tanking attacks from 10% of 16F would translate to these characters tanking slashing attacks from 8% Sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

It does work because Yuji is directly shown tanking Sukuna slashes with the lowered output. Even without a UES, tanking attacks from 10% of 16F would translate to these characters tanking slashing attacks from 8% Sukuna

It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.

8% of that would end up with them in 7-C

How does 8% of FP Sukuna equate to 10% of 16f?

 

[Duedate8898]

16F is 80% of 20F of power. Therefore, 10% at 16F would be 8% at 20

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I’m going with the fact he’s a real translator that’s translated jjk before and understands what’s being conveyed rather than going with the basic powerscaler assessment.

Still as useful as a grain of salt

Maybe lets not assess the manga as though Gege knows about Low 7C and High 7C lmao.

It doesn't matter if he knows these values. What matter is if he thinks the gap between the two is big or not

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Doing something at a greater degree. Being of higher quality.

Yes, I agree. And having better stats is being of higher quality.

You originally argued AP so drop this random speed shit.

I'm just talking about physicals in general because that's what Gojo's talking about

Ce reinforcement is the only thing sorcerers have besides their cursed techniques

No? They have their basic physicals with CE taken out of the equation. Gojo is specifically saying Miguel's impressive body WITH CE reinforcement enhancing that is what makes him so scary.

Gojo’s just saying “oh if we fought fists only, he’d be the better fighter, but I’d win”. And you must be joking or you’re experiencing genuine JJK brainrot; a person can be slower at punching and kicking but be the better fighter, this is a common occurrence across real life and fiction.

He didn't even say he would win, just that he's better at parrying and dodging and stuff. And someone can be more skilled, but that's not the same as being better overall. If someone is the best/greatest sorcerer, skill is a factor in that, but the most important thing is if they can defeat other sorcerers.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Intelligence:

Below Average (Yuji is dumb[42]. He has the second lowest classroom learning abilities of the Jujutsu High students and is not good at math[1]. He is however the best at cooking among the first year trio and a good singer[1]. Needed to use his fingers to count to five[43])


Who allowed this

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Ion see a problem

 

[M3X_2.0]

Another option is to make Ryu > Uraume in output, and since Ryu can output it regardless of using CT or not, it should be way better to scale Yuta and then Maki, Yuji etc.

7-C still, and consistent with Ryu’s own feat.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Another option is to make Ryu > Uraume in output, and since Ryu can output it regardless of using CT or not, it should be way better to scale Yuta and then Maki, Yuji etc.

7-C still, and consistent with Ryu’s own feat.

Is Uraume a player?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yes

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes

Where's it stated?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Where's it stated?

Somewhere in the manga idk, Kenjaku said it.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Ion see a problem

Do you geniunely think that Goku and Luffy are smarter than Yuji?

 

[Giannysmag]

Intelligence:

Below Average (Yuji is dumb[42]. He has the second lowest classroom learning abilities of the Jujutsu High students and is not good at math[1]. He is however the best at cooking among the first year trio and a good singer[1]. Needed to use his fingers to count to five[43])


Who allowed this

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Somewhere in the manga idk, Kenjaku said it.

Mk I'll look for it

Do you geniunely think that Goku and Luffy are smarter than Yuji?

How is that relevant? We're talking about the accuracy of Yuji's profile here, not the accuracy of others

 

[Arkenis]

Still don’t know how Kenjaku was proud of him

 

[Arkenis]

Do you geniunely think that Goku and Luffy are smarter than Yuji?

Yes??? Luffy understands the fundamental mechanics behind conceptual devil fruits and the fine manipulations that require their 100% potential accessing the epitome of Devil Fruit science. Never disrespect Lufferton again. And Goku has learned alien abilities which require incredible spatial calculations across entire universes down to their subatomic particles beyond the regular 4d spatial and temporal dimensions. These guys are inaccessibly smarter than Yuji could ever be with his puny Cursed Techniques which. Be so real

 

[Ped2018]

Insanely based Arkenis

 

[Duedate8898]

Where's it stated?

Additions for Chapter 220 in the Volume, when Kenjaku includes the rule that the culling game ends when everyone but himself, Sukuna, and uruame's vessel are dead. Also, uruame wouldn't be able to enter the colonies like she did without being a culling game player as there were no rules which added such an exception to allow her beforehand