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While we don't have hard numbers we still have the fact that he has had more fights where he landed than not as well as several statements that he is exceptionally lucky with the move.But in this case you have numbers. Going by what Gojo says about BF, weather conditions matter, there is the timing thing, but in the end it's luck.
You can argue it's going to happen. I can argue it's not going to happen.
It's not about number of fights but number of attacks he deals without hitting a BF. How many attacks he landed in this fights before he landed a BF? It took Yuji like ~12 hits before his first BF with Sukuna.While we don't have hard numbers we still have the fact that he has had more fights where he landed than not as well as several statements that he is exceptionally lucky with the move.
It took like 2 hits before he landed his first one on Hanami and landed one immediately once he locked in against Mahito. And once he gets one going he isn't gonna be stopping eitherIt's not about number of fights but number of attacks he deals without hitting a BF. How many attacks he landed in this fights before he landed a BF? It took Yuji like ~12 hits before his first BF with Sukuna.
Yuki doesn't even need to land a BF on Yuji to hit harder than him so it's kind of useless to her.
So good luck hitting that against Yuki ganking him with a Shikigami that can weight him down and immobilize him.And once he gets one going he isn't gonna be stopping either
Yuji can slash up Garuda with ShrineSo good luck hitting that against Yuki ganking him with a Shikigami that can weight him down and immobilize him.
What feats does his Shrine has to cut GarudaYuji can slash up Garuda with Shrine
Leaving a big gash on Sukuna's leg. Garuda has literally zero dura featsWhat feats does his Shrine has to cut Garuda
Good to know you think Garuda has Sukuna level dura lolSo not enough. A shame.
You mean one of the weakest Sukunas we've seen on screen? lolGood to know you think Garuda has Sukuna level dura lol
Still was strong enough to tank attacks from top tiers like Maki and MiguelYou mean one of the weakest Sukunas we've seen on screen? lol
Wasn't it stated that Star Rage has no effect on the user itself. So Garuda destroying the spirit wouldn't be a dura feat unless you think Yuki also has a one shot level difference in dura over KennyAnd it's not true that Garuda has zero dura feats. With Star Rage it is able to withstand Yuki kicking it to one-shot a Special Grade CS.
Not the same. This Sukuna was taking numerous Black Flashes from Itadori and his output was low enough to do skin thich damage on Itadori with Dismantle.Still was strong enough to tank attacks from top tiers like Maki and Miguel
No, it's not about that. Kenjaku says it's about not lowering the speed, Garuda is still getting kicked by a Star Rage powered up Yuki.Wasn't it stated that Star Rage has no effect on the user itself. So Garuda destroying the spirit wouldn't be a dura feat unless you think Yuki also has a one shot level difference in dura over Kenny
Fair enough but the fact the he could also tabk Yuji's BF like that and still got hurt by Shrine is another point to it being pretty strongNot the same. This Sukuna was taking numerous Black Flashes from Itadori and his output was low enough to do skin thich damage on Itadori with Dismantle.
He says that there is no effect on the sorcererNo, it's not about that. Kenjaku says it's about not lowering the speed
No it's Yuki kicking a Garuda that is then imbued with Star RageGaruda is still getting kicked by a Star Rage powered up Yuki.
Different types of damage thoughFair enough but the fact the he could also tabk Yuji's BF like that and still got hurt by Shrine is another point to it being pretty strong
****And later brings up dura
Still him tanking a top tiers strongest attacks then getting hurt by ShrineDifferent types of damage though
Its not strong enough.He could probably just use Shrine to cut Garuda up
And he can't keep doing that with every hit from Yuki.Do I need to show you the scans of him getting his whole side destroyed by cleave and RCTing again. What about him getting his whole body shredded by MS and instantly reattaching
Pretty much every time a fight comes down to hands Yuji had the advantage (Todo, Choso, Mahito). CQC was the only thing he could do for nost of the series so he is obviously pretty good at it.
It's still something he can pull of far more consistently than basically everyone else in the verse
Yuji's fights are almost never him having the edge, against Todo he was gonna lose if Todo didn't give him advice lmao. With Choso, he lost and they were comparable at best, and Mahito was comparable to him too, hell Mahito was literally gonna win if Yuji didn't hit a bf and didn't have Todo helping him.I don't really get what you mean here. Yuji still retained things like Shrine, his DE and to a certain extend better CE refinement after the fight
So then we have nothing to go off on and thus Yuji's soul hits are unquantifiable against other reincarnated.Ok but like why would you use Sukuna as a reference. Not only is he the literal strongest character in the verse, he also specifically took measures to make sure Megumi's body wouldn't slip out of his control
Prove this.evry other reincarnated would take a lot less to be seriously effected by the soul attacks
Put it into perspective, Yuji hasn't hit a bf since the one on Mahito and after this he's been through like 7 fights. When he's literally the only one capable of continuing to fight Sukuna he finally hits one, especially when he got help from Larue getting Sukuna off guard. Just saying its disingenuous to say its a win con when we're shown Yuji needs concentration, aid, and an opening to hit them when its beneficial.I also don't get why you guys are so against Yuji using BF as a wincon. To put it into perspective, out of the 7 major fights Yuji has had since unlocking the move he has landed it in 4 of them. That's a higher than not chance of him landing BF and 2 of the times he didn't do it barely even count because he was either holding back (against Yuta) or straight up didn't have CE to use (against Higuruma)
Already went over thisIts not strong enough.
He certainly could against Sukuna. He even calls out the fact that most of the attacks he took inside Yuta's domain would have been lethal without RCT. Yuji can naturally convert his CE to blood, reattach limbs and overall is much more capable when using RCT due to his physiology. If an attack doesn't destroy his head it simply won't kill himAnd he can't keep doing that with every hit from Yuki.
He was outskilling Todo for most of that fight, Todo just helped him improve his CE controlYuji's fights are almost never him having the edge, against Todo he was gonna lose if Todo didn't give him advice lmao.
He lost because Choso surprised him with the blood armor and then one shot him. In terms of raw skill Yuji was superiorWith Choso, he lost and they were comparable at best,
Mahito was spamming big moves and shapeshifting but any time they fought with straight hands Yuji mopped himand Mahito was comparable to him too
Yes a massively powered up Mahito was gonna do that, no amount of skill is gonna save you when your opponent can Senator Armstrong through all your attackshell Mahito was literally gonna win if Yuji didn't hit a bf and didn't have Todo helping him.
And I'm talking about end of Shinjuku Yuji, i think I made that pretty clear with all the times I brought up Shrine or his DEAnd I'm talking about start of Shinjuku Yuji, he isn't gonna be running on 7 black flashes amp, he's gonna be the same Yuji who was getting bullied and outperforming others.
Sukuna has the highest CE output in the verse (or is tied with Gojo) and even while nerfed from UV he was dealing one shot level damage to Yuta and Yuji, so while the drop in output may not seem that significant, it is when you consider who Yuji is up against. Against sorcerers with much lower outputs than Sukuna the drop is gonna be much more obviousSo then we have nothing to go off on and thus Yuji's soul hits are unquantifiable against other reincarnated.
Prove this.
Yuta, Helicopter guy, Higuruma, 16F Meguna. Idk where you saw the 7 fights his been in since Mahito. Against Yuta he was actively holding back and wanting to die, against Higuruma he didn't have CE to use BF with and he one shot the Helicopter guy anyway.Put it into perspective, Yuji hasn't hit a bf since the one on Mahito and after this he's been through like 7 fights.
He hit his first ever BF on Hanami with no outside help or experience using it before and did so as Hanami was attacking him. The reason he's always had outside help when performing BF is because Yuji has outside help in most of his fights anyway but that doesn't mean he can't use it on his own. Especially when it's mentioned several times that he extremely lucky with the move, to the point where Mahito new he'd be shredded if he didn't take it into account while fighting him solo.Just saying its disingenuous to say its a win con when we're shown Yuji needs concentration, aid, and an opening to hit them when its beneficial.
On Hanami he got help from Todo
On Eso he was just lucky
On Mahito he had help from Todo and had already hit one prior which he also had focused up on due to the events that had just played out and getting hope about Nobara.
Fighting someone like Yuki who's gonna be one shotting and having Garuda in the field to hinder him, its gonna be impossible.
People taking Sukuna's durability into consideration and comparing him to others is funny broAlready went over this
He certainly could against Sukuna. He even calls out the fact that most of the attacks he took inside Yuta's domain would have been lethal without RCT. Yuji can naturally convert his CE to blood, reattach limbs and overall is much more capable when using RCT due to his physiology. If an attack doesn't destroy his head it simply won't kill him
He was outskilling Todo for most of that fight, Todo just helped him improve his CE control
He lost because Choso surprised him with the blood armor and then one shot him. In terms of raw skill Yuji was superior
Mahito was spamming big moves and shapeshifting but any time they fought with straight hands Yuji mopped him
Yes a massively powered up Mahito was gonna do that, no amount of skill is gonna save you when your opponent can Senator Armstrong through all your attacks
And I'm talking about end of Shinjuku Yuji, i think I made that pretty clear with all the times I brought up Shrine or his DE
Sukuna has the highest CE output in the verse (or is tied with Gojo) and even while nerfed from UV he was dealing one shot level damage to Yuta and Yuji, so while the drop in output may not seem that significant, it is when you consider who Yuji is up against. Against sorcerers with much lower outputs than Sukuna the drop is gonna be much more obvious
Same thing with their control over their bodies weakening. Sukuna had specifically taken measures to insure Megumi could never break free from his control so his grip on his body is gonna be far greater than any other reincarnated players
Yuta, Helicopter guy, Higuruma, 16F Meguna. Idk where you saw the 7 fights his been in since Mahito. Against Yuta he was actively holding back and wanting to die, against Higuruma he didn't have CE to use BF with and he one shot the Helicopter guy anyway.
He hit his first ever BF on Hanami with no outside help or experience using it before and did so as Hanami was attacking him. The reason he's always had outside help when performing BF is because Yuji has outside help in most of his fights anyway but that doesn't mean he can't use it on his own. Especially when it's mentioned several times that he extremely lucky with the move, to the point where Mahito new he'd be shredded if he didn't take it into account while fighting him solo.
I think it's a lot more disingenuous to act like the technique that's basically Yuji's main move somehow is a non factor in his match ups.
In conclusion...
Why do you guys ignore so much of the story? He took four fatal attacks and missed a proper heal and crashed afterwards and needed to be reminded how to do rct and was out for several minutes of the fight.He certainly could against Sukuna. He even calls out the fact that most of the attacks he took inside Yuta's domain would have been lethal without RCT. Yuji can naturally convert his CE to blood, reattach limbs and overall is much more capable when using RCT due to his physiology. If an attack doesn't destroy his head it simply won't kill him
No he wasn't? Todo even tells him he's never gonna beat him due to his improper control of ce and then after this Todo is still doing just fine against him and has to teach him how to flow his ce. Yuji was objectively inferior to Todo during this fight.He was outskilling Todo for most of that fight, Todo just helped him improve his CE control
No he wasn't, they were both comparable with Yuji unable to land a good hit during the bathroom fight.He lost because Choso surprised him with the blood armor and then one shot him. In terms of raw skill Yuji was superior
It wasn't, I usually take everything to mean within a match not a specific point in the manga where the characters have their most favorable moments for stats/skill. And when you presented the big Yuji post you weren't just talking about end of Shinjuku, you were citing several early Shinjuku feats.And I'm talking about end of Shinjuku Yuji, i think I made that pretty clear with all the times I brought up Shrine or his DE
No its not actually, Sukuna's drop in output is due to Megumi regaining control of his body, the reincarnated players destroyed their vessel's consciousness, something Sukuna didn't do and was actively having undone. The reincarnates have full control just like Sukuna had originally so it shouldn't be any different from him.Sukuna has the highest CE output in the verse (or is tied with Gojo) and even while nerfed from UV he was dealing one shot level damage to Yuta and Yuji, so while the drop in output may not seem that significant, it is when you consider who Yuji is up against. Against sorcerers with much lower outputs than Sukuna the drop is gonna be much more obvious
Same thing with their control over their bodies weakening. Sukuna had specifically taken measures to insure Megumi could never break free from his control so his grip on his body is gonna be far greater than any other reincarnated players
You named 4, I wasn't off by much. And the context doesn't matter, I'm saying we don't see it as often so its percentage of happening against stronger and harder people to fight is less likely. You explaining the context doesn't matter unless you think he'd have hit them if he had more fights.Yuta, Helicopter guy, Higuruma, 16F Meguna. Idk where you saw the 7 fights his been in since Mahito. Against Yuta he was actively holding back and wanting to die, against Higuruma he didn't have CE to use BF with and he one shot the Helicopter guy anyway.
The mangas already told us BF is random and no one's chosen, you're looking at two moments where Yuji just happened to land a lot and acting like it'll happen in these other scenarios and I don't see why it would.He hit his first ever BF on Hanami with no outside help or experience using it before and did so as Hanami was attacking him. The reason he's always had outside help when performing BF is because Yuji has outside help in most of his fights anyway but that doesn't mean he can't use it on his own. Especially when it's mentioned several times that he extremely lucky with the move, to the point where Mahito new he'd be shredded if he didn't take it into account while fighting him solo.
But he did learn how to heal himself properly with this and later he gets cut up by a full output Malevolent Shrine and is able to immideatly reattach himself with no problemWhy do you guys ignore so much of the story? He took four fatal attacks and missed a proper heal and crashed afterwards and needed to be reminded how to do rct and was out for several minutes of the fight.
So like I said Todo taught him CE control but in terms of CQC skill Yuji was superior which was shown several times in the fightNo he wasn't? Todo even tells him he's never gonna beat him due to his improper control of ce and then after this Todo is still doing just fine against him and has to teach him how to flow his ce. Yuji was objectively inferior to Todo during this fight.
He actually hit Choso three times in the bathroom fight and this was him working with only one arm and later a busted liverNo he wasn't, they were both comparable with Yuji unable to land a good hit during the bathroom fight.
I was using early Shinjuku Yuji's feats as a baseline, since post-awakening he is at least as strong if not stronger. Also I'm not just picking a favorable moment, this is the scaling and arsenal he'd have after the showdown unless you think he somehow lost Shrine and his DEIt wasn't, I usually take everything to mean within a match not a specific point in the manga where the characters have their most favorable moments for stats/skill. And when you presented the big Yuji post you weren't just talking about end of Shinjuku, you were citing several early Shinjuku feats.
Fair enough on this tho I will say that Sukuna states Yuji's attacks are dangerous to reincarnated types and he was also the gangs plan to deal with all the reincarnated sorcerers running around so the drop in output and the weakening of the body would still apply to themNo its not actually, Sukuna's drop in output is due to Megumi regaining control of his body, the reincarnated players destroyed their vessel's consciousness, something Sukuna didn't do and was actively having undone. The reincarnates have full control just like Sukuna had originally so it shouldn't be any different from him.
The context does matter because in those fights he either physically couldn't do BF, would have no reason to even attempt concentrating on BF, or didn't need BF because he one shot his opponent anyways. Concentration is still a factor in landing BF and if Yuji doens't try to concentrate on it he is far less likely to land itYou named 4, I wasn't off by much. And the context doesn't matter, I'm saying we don't see it as often so its percentage of happening against stronger and harder people to fight is less likely. You explaining the context doesn't matter unless you think he'd have hit them if he had more fights.
The manga has also told us several times that Yuji is especially lucky with the techniqueThe mangas already told us BF is random and no one's chosen, you're looking at two moments where Yuji just happened to land a lot and acting like it'll happen in these other scenarios and I don't see why it would.
THAT ISN'T RCT LMAOOOOBut he did learn how to heal himself properly with this and later he gets cut up by a full output Malevolent Shrine and is able to immideatly reattach himself with no problem
Post how Todo right after stops his punch.So like I said Todo taught him CE control but in terms of CQC skill Yuji was superior which was shown several times in the fight
No he didn't, they are blocking and diverting each other's attacks there. Point is they are comparable. Idk why you guys try to argue Yuji being superior to people he's obviously not so much. I get bro only got hands but come on.He actually hit Choso three times in the bathroom fight and this was him working with only one arm and later a busted liver
You're misunderstanding. I'm just saying if we did a match we wouldn't go and include Yuji's BF feats as though its in base is all.I was using early Shinjuku Yuji's feats as a baseline, since post-awakening he is at least as strong if not stronger. Also I'm not just picking a favorable moment, this is the scaling and arsenal he'd have after the showdown unless you think he somehow lost Shrine and his DE
Yeah ofc.Fair enough on this tho I will say that Sukuna states Yuji's attacks are dangerous to reincarnated types and he was also the gangs plan to deal with all the reincarnated sorcerers running around so the drop in output and the weakening of the body would still apply to them
But he isn't actually.The manga has also told us several times that Yuji is especially lucky with the technique
If its about BF then no. We're explicitly told BF works off various variables, meaning several conditions have to be met, not that he has super luckBy the way, shouldn't we add 'supernatural luck' to Yuji's profile?
He pulls himself together with blood manip and reattaches with RCTTHAT ISN'T RCT LMAOOOO
Obviously Todo is a good fighter too but Yuji was pulling impressive moves constantly during the fightPost how Todo right after stops his punch.
Yes he didNo he didn't
Yuji was boxing with only one arm for most of the fight while also constantly reading Choso's moves and countering him, he was the more skilled of the two, they are blocking and diverting each other's attacks there. Point is they are comparable. Idk why you guys try to argue Yuji being superior to people he's obviously not so much. I get bro only got hands but come on.
He would have retained the level he was at while landing BFs tho, like how he retained his improved CE control after the Hanami fightYou're misunderstanding. I'm just saying if we did a match we wouldn't go and include Yuji's BF feats as though its in base is all.
Why is he landing them so often then?But he isn't actually.
Did you read what I said?? And did you read what you said? Yuji didn't hit him three times, and Yuji never lands a good hit. That random kick is not good.Yes he did
No he wasn't, they were both comparable with Yuji unable to land a good hit during the bathroom fight.
Yeah ur just trolling now lmao. Especially that last one, we both know what happened right after that.
That proves nothing.Yuji was boxing with only one arm for most of the fight while also constantly reading Choso's moves and countering him, he was the more skilled of the two
You're so confused.He would have retained the level he was at while landing BFs tho, like how he retained his improved CE control after the Hanami fight
Did you read what I said?? And did you read what you said? Yuji didn't hit him three times, and Yuji never lands a good hit. That random kick is not good.
Because?Did you read what I said?? And did you read what you said? Yuji didn't hit him three times, and Yuji never lands a good hit. That random kick is not good.
Yeah ur just trolling now lmao.
I'd like to see you fight someone as strong as you with one arm then lmaoThat proves nothing.
I don't care what his keys are bruh, those are largely dictated by the preference of the person making the profile (hell I even suggested to M3X we give Yuji two keys for Shinjuku)You're so confused.
In a match we would not start with the assumption Yuji's base takes on his BF feats within a Shinjuku key, we would start him out as his Shinjuku key and he'd end up with the BF feats in the match if it progressed that far.
Only way this is avoided is if Yuji's Shinjuku key is ignored and we simply do a post Shinjuku key which is pointless since it would be everything he did during Shinjuku anyway. This is like Gojo's pre and post awakening stats for reference. Gojo unlocked purple and he got faster. Yuji got Shrine, he got stronger, he got faster, and most of all, his feats after the first bf on Sukuna are all in the zone feats.
I also suggested for two keys. I know people would start with bullshit about Yuji not landing BF.I don't care what his keys are bruh, those are largely dictated by the preference of the person making the profile (hell I even suggested to M3X we give Yuji two keys for Shinjuku)
What 30th BF?Can someone explain how tf did Sukuna regain his RCT output to heal himself after getting hit by 30 BF?
It's a joke, kindaWhat 30th BF?
I mean after taking several hits from Yuji and his black fistings since he specifically weakens SukunaWith 2 BF it seems like characters can evolve to create new stuff
- Gojo created a new circuit for his RCT
- Sukuna created a new domain (same domain but he switched brain parts)
- Sukuna regaining RCT might be similar to Gojo's case if you are talking about Him regaining RCT after he cooked Todo.