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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

yeah, whats preventing that exactly? its not like his heart needs to beat if time is stopped.
Time stop happening what like every couple of seconds. And the fact Dio's time stop gets longer and longer. Then take into account the other abilities like him absorbing him, him targeting his eyes, he can freeze all of Sukuna's water killing him instantly.
 
Stands are said to be only affected by other stands, so it makes sense that the only type of space manip they get affected by is the space manip of another stand, sorry if this is an stupid question
That doesn't make sense when you put it into context. It's talking about Stands interacting with one another. If this was the case the calamity, a force of the universe should not have an effect on them.
 
It's not different. CE is still spiritual, Cursed Spirits are still spiritual.
The body of a Cursed Spirit and the soul of a Cursed Spirit have some distinction. You don't have to be able to perceive the soul to see, interact with and harm a Cursed Spirit's body (which is made of Cursed Energy, that's why they are invisible to normal people in the first place) and by damaging a curse's body enough with CE, you can exorcise one irrespective of anything relating to sensing souls. It took a Cursed Spirit whose whole CT revolves around manipulating souls to form a Cursed Spirit that can't be truly harmed without soul perception. Hell, Cursed Spirits literally become more physical when their bodies are made of more CE. There's also the stuff with Jogo saying their souls will circulate after their deaths and Jogo talking to Hanami and Dagon's souls after their bodies have been reduced to char or smoke.

And Daido couldn't see souls, he was seeing everything else and predicting off that like Maki did.
Daido awakening the Split Soul Katana's true power thanks to his senses is what Maki was trying to achieve
 
How is cursed spirits operating on a different wavelength of light which is entirely undetectable by human senses any different from a spirit in another verse which is only visible through extrasensory perception?
 
Time stop happening what like every couple of seconds. And the fact Dio's time stop gets longer and longer. Then take into account the other abilities like him absorbing him, him targeting his eyes, he can freeze all of Sukuna's water killing him instantly.
this is part 3 dio, he doesn't have that due to jonathans body being hamon filled and dio not having full control yet* and unless we are giving Dio a jostar to munch on that control is not improving and neither is his time stop (since it only started getting better past that point)

and yeah time stop would be happening every couple of seconds cuse unless dio wants to be dust in less than a second he'd need it since sukuna would pull his domain which-DIO-can't-see-btw the second the first time stop would be done since having his heart crushed before he could even react would likely prompt a bit of a drastic action.

Plus... its DIO the man would monalauge and that would lead to a bit of an issue with the bloodthirsty trigger happy maniac that can one tap him.
 
this is part 3 dio, he doesn't have that due to jonathans body being hamon filled and dio not having full control yet
He does have ice manip with Jonathan's body. He just not use because The World and Stands in general made them obsolete. What's he gonna do? Freeze Star Platinum?
 
He does have ice manip with Jonathan's body. He just not use because The World and Stands in general made them obsolete. What's he gonna do? Freeze Star Platinum?
or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once and the only explonation as to why he doesn't is because he still doesn't have 100% control of the body.
 
or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once.
He does, he has everything from Part 1. Araki has said that he still has all of this but said it's also useless. It was even present in the old OVAs and that was secondary canon for a decade. It makes no sense to say "it's Jonathan body" because Jonathan didn't have vampiric regeneration, blood manipulation, poison and more from standard vampire abilities.
 
or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once and the only explonation as to why he doesn't is because he still doesn't have 100% control of the body.
Or he rather use the ability bestowed upon him from the world (Za world!). The guy’s a egoistical, self obsessed, deranged, narcissistic, vampire. This is like giving a kid a bunch of cool stuff and then you give him the PS5, and suddenly that’s all he focuses on.
 
Idk, it feels wrong to think that Sukuna can't survive basic freezing when we have Hakari fightning Uraume for 25 chapters
Sukuna’s not getting frozen, he’s having the heat removed from his body parts on contact freezing his blood in the vessels. Dio stops time and does it to him he’s making him a popsicle.
 
What do you think freezing means
This question is missing context but I assure you what Hakari is going through vs what Dio does isn’t the same. You’re early comment also implies Uraume and Dio are fighting the same, Uraume never tried freezing someone’s body inside and out, Dio exactly this. They aren’t the same and Sukuna isn’t surviving his brain, heart or entire body being frozen.
 
This question is missing context but I assure you what Hakari is going through vs what Dio does isn’t the same. You’re early comment also implies Uraume and Dio are fighting the same, Uraume never tried freezing someone’s body inside and out, Dio exactly this. They aren’t the same and Sukuna isn’t surviving his brain, heart or entire body being frozen.
heart he survives, body no, brain no.

but again P3 DIO is unlikely to use freezing prior to sukuna using DE which ends the fight no matter how you swing it and if ya throw P1 Dio Brando at sukuna who is more likely to use his win con of freezing he flat out gets curbed in less then 20 seconds.

That or gets his body taken over, that mid-high regen is rather nice after all.
 
Sukuna domain won’t even matter with it getting time stopped every couple seconds and lasting 10 seconds. Dio regens from it, The world’s already by Sukuna tryna kill him
 
Dio will use freezing before Sukuna uses his DE.
based on what? he literally never used that ability even when he had the openings for it, mainly due to pride and overreliance on the world his "ultimate power" while sukuna busts out domains left and right, sometimes just to show off (finger barer curse).

unless we specify that this is a blood lust match the likely hood of DIO using freeze prior to sukuna using DE is none existent.
 
Weather Report: Wow, what a nice day!

Sukuna (he saw a snail):
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based on what? he literally never used that ability even when he had the openings for it, mainly due to pride and overreliance on the world his "ultimate power" while sukuna busts out domains left and right, sometimes just to show off (finger barer curse).

unless we specify that this is a blood lust match the likely hood of DIO using freeze prior to sukuna using DE is none existent.
DIO didn't use it because this ability is ******* useless against Stands or Stand users. I've already said that before to you.
 
could jojo stands bypass infinity?
Basically any stand that directly effects a person or can act on somebody without physical contact. There are only a few I could think of that have a reasonable chance:
  • Hanged Man
  • Cream
  • Heaven’s Door (although it would really only disable Gojo, not outright hurt him)
  • Bites the Dust
  • Grateful Dead
  • Metallica
  • Chariot Requiem (this is doubley effective, since it would remove Gojo’s six eyes)
  • Heavy Weather
  • Act 4/Ball Breaker
  • S&W: Go Beyond
  • Rainy Day Dream Away

Not saying that these all would. I’m just throwing some names out there.
 
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How is cursed spirits operating on a different wavelength of light which is entirely undetectable by human senses any different from a spirit in another verse which is only visible through extrasensory perception?
Because spirits in other verses are usually just souls whereas Cursed Spirits are shown to also have bodies that become more physical when they're made of more Cursed Energy and you don't need soul perception to perceive, interact, harm and exorcise them but their souls can still live on after they've been exorcised and their bodies have disintegrated.

Seeing things with your sight also isn't ESP, that falls under Enhanced Senses, ESP is for a "sixth sense" like how Nobara could sense the presence of curses in the dark without seeing them or how Dragon Ball characters can sense Ki signatures from the other side of the universe.
 
DIO didn't use it because this ability is ******* useless against Stands or Stand users. I've already said that before to you.
stands sure, stand users? how is it useless? what? does having a stand all of a sudden mean you are immune to all types of heat and cold? DIO had his hands on polnareff, kakyoin, joseph and jotaro on multiple occasion and instead of using it at all to I donno make sure jotaro can't really do anything by freezing his limbs for example he constantly went for world punches instead or throwing basic ass knifes and I got to say "knife>Freezing someone solid" is a hell of a take.

Its legit just out of character for him to use his vamp abilities in a fight unless its regen which is passive, I mean DIO should by all accounts have his stinger eyes and mind control gaze in part 3 based on the secondary canon you mentioned but he simply never uses it at all.
 
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Basically any stand that directly effects a person or can act on somebody without physical contact. There are only a few I could think of that have a reasonable chance:
  • Hanged Man
  • Cream
  • Heaven’s Door (although it would really only disable Gojo, not outright hurt him)
  • Bites the Dust
  • Grateful Dead
  • Metallica
  • Chariot Requiem (this is doubley effective, since it would remove Gojo’s six eyes)
  • Heavy Weather
  • Act 4/Ball Breaker
  • S&W: Go Beyond
yes
  • Rainy Day Dream Away
how? its rain, gojo can stop liquid from touching him through infinity or did I miss something about its emphathy bull being a wee bit more transendant.
 
how? its rain, gojo can stop liquid from touching him through infinity or did I miss something about its emphathy bull being a wee bit more transendant.
Rainy Day Dream Away’s ability doesn’t require physical contact with the rain, it’s just the form of the stand is a rain storm. Now, whether or not Gojo would have a debilitating enough emotion that he would lose is up in the air, but at least it’s still possible for the attack to land.
 
Rainy Day Dream Away’s ability doesn’t require physical contact with the rain, it’s just the form of the stand is a rain storm. Now, whether or not Gojo would have a debilitating enough emotion that he would lose is up in the air, but at least it’s still possible for the attack to land.
Ah fuсk, I totally forgot about it.
 
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Because spirits in other verses are usually just souls whereas Cursed Spirits are shown to also have bodies that become more physical when they're made of more Cursed Energy and you don't need soul perception to perceive, interact, harm and exorcise them but their souls can still live on after they've been exorcised and their bodies have disintegrated.
this just reads like a distinction without a difference, where curse spirits have all the properties of souls but just without being called souls.

1. Both cursed spirits and souls can phase through solid mass
2. Both cursed spirits and souls are imperceptible to the human senses, existing along some other plane with a unique light (i.e. Bleach for instance)
3. Curse spirits are even compared to in property to "regular spirits", suggesting the soul and spirit are distinct

Saying "well their intangibility and invisibility to the sense isn't the same because it's not spiritual" is the equivalent of relying on keywords for scaling beyond broader context. I still fail to see how JJK's "second wavelength of light" is different meaningfully to Bleach's "spiritual light" and why it's such an issue.
 
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