Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sir_sun_man]

Time stop happening what like every couple of seconds. And the fact Dio's time stop gets longer and longer. Then take into account the other abilities like him absorbing him, him targeting his eyes, he can freeze all of Sukuna's water killing him instantly.

this is part 3 dio, he doesn't have that due to jonathans body being hamon filled and dio not having full control yet* and unless we are giving Dio a jostar to munch on that control is not improving and neither is his time stop (since it only started getting better past that point)

and yeah time stop would be happening every couple of seconds cuse unless dio wants to be dust in less than a second he'd need it since sukuna would pull his domain which-DIO-can't-see-btw the second the first time stop would be done since having his heart crushed before he could even react would likely prompt a bit of a drastic action.

Plus... its DIO the man would monalauge and that would lead to a bit of an issue with the bloodthirsty trigger happy maniac that can one tap him.

 

[M3X_2.0]

this is part 3 dio, he doesn't have that due to jonathans body being hamon filled and dio not having full control yet

He does have ice manip with Jonathan's body. He just not use because The World and Stands in general made them obsolete. What's he gonna do? Freeze Star Platinum?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

He does have ice manip with Jonathan's body. He just not use because The World and Stands in general made them obsolete. What's he gonna do? Freeze Star Platinum?

or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once and the only explonation as to why he doesn't is because he still doesn't have 100% control of the body.

 

[M3X_2.0]

or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once.

He does, he has everything from Part 1. Araki has said that he still has all of this but said it's also useless. It was even present in the old OVAs and that was secondary canon for a decade. It makes no sense to say "it's Jonathan body" because Jonathan didn't have vampiric regeneration, blood manipulation, poison and more from standard vampire abilities.

 

[Arkenis]

or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once and the only explonation as to why he doesn't is because he still doesn't have 100% control of the body.

Or he rather use the ability bestowed upon him from the world (Za world!). The guy’s a egoistical, self obsessed, deranged, narcissistic, vampire. This is like giving a kid a bunch of cool stuff and then you give him the PS5, and suddenly that’s all he focuses on.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Idk, it feels wrong to think that Sukuna can't survive basic freezing when we have Hakari fightning Uraume for 25 chapters

 

[Arkenis]

Idk, it feels wrong to think that Sukuna can't survive basic freezing when we have Hakari fightning Uraume for 25 chapters

Sukuna’s not getting frozen, he’s having the heat removed from his body parts on contact freezing his blood in the vessels. Dio stops time and does it to him he’s making him a popsicle.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

he’s having the heat removed from his body parts on contact freezing his blood in the vessels.

What do you think freezing means

 

[Sir_sun_man]

What do you think freezing means

I was about to say

 

[Arkenis]

What do you think freezing means

This question is missing context but I assure you what Hakari is going through vs what Dio does isn’t the same. You’re early comment also implies Uraume and Dio are fighting the same, Uraume never tried freezing someone’s body inside and out, Dio exactly this. They aren’t the same and Sukuna isn’t surviving his brain, heart or entire body being frozen.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

This question is missing context but I assure you what Hakari is going through vs what Dio does isn’t the same. You’re early comment also implies Uraume and Dio are fighting the same, Uraume never tried freezing someone’s body inside and out, Dio exactly this. They aren’t the same and Sukuna isn’t surviving his brain, heart or entire body being frozen.

heart he survives, body no, brain no.

but again P3 DIO is unlikely to use freezing prior to sukuna using DE which ends the fight no matter how you swing it and if ya throw P1 Dio Brando at sukuna who is more likely to use his win con of freezing he flat out gets curbed in less then 20 seconds.

That or gets his body taken over, that mid-high regen is rather nice after all.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Dio will use freezing before Sukuna uses his DE.

 

[Arkenis]

Sukuna domain won’t even matter with it getting time stopped every couple seconds and lasting 10 seconds. Dio regens from it, The world’s already by Sukuna tryna kill him

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Dio will use freezing before Sukuna uses his DE.

based on what? he literally never used that ability even when he had the openings for it, mainly due to pride and overreliance on the world his "ultimate power" while sukuna busts out domains left and right, sometimes just to show off (finger barer curse).

unless we specify that this is a blood lust match the likely hood of DIO using freeze prior to sukuna using DE is none existent.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

well I am off to sleep ya fellas have fun I'll comment on the counter arguments later.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

hey yall, i was thinking of making a weather report vs sukuna match, but idk if its a good idea

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

hey yall, i was thinking of making a weather report vs sukuna match, but idk if its a good idea

Don't

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Don't

why

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Weather Report: Wow, what a nice day!

Sukuna (he saw a snail):

 

[M3X_2.0]

based on what? he literally never used that ability even when he had the openings for it, mainly due to pride and overreliance on the world his "ultimate power" while sukuna busts out domains left and right, sometimes just to show off (finger barer curse).

unless we specify that this is a blood lust match the likely hood of DIO using freeze prior to sukuna using DE is none existent.

DIO didn't use it because this ability is ******* useless against Stands or Stand users. I've already said that before to you.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

 

[Chritin]

could jojo stands bypass infinity?

Basically any stand that directly effects a person or can act on somebody without physical contact. There are only a few I could think of that have a reasonable chance:

• Hanged Man
• Cream
• Heaven’s Door (although it would really only disable Gojo, not outright hurt him)
• Bites the Dust
• Grateful Dead
• Metallica
• Chariot Requiem (this is doubley effective, since it would remove Gojo’s six eyes)
• Heavy Weather
• Act 4/Ball Breaker
• S&W: Go Beyond
• Rainy Day Dream Away

Not saying that these all would. I’m just throwing some names out there.

 

[SunDaGamer]

How is cursed spirits operating on a different wavelength of light which is entirely undetectable by human senses any different from a spirit in another verse which is only visible through extrasensory perception?

Because spirits in other verses are usually just souls whereas Cursed Spirits are shown to also have bodies that become more physical when they're made of more Cursed Energy and you don't need soul perception to perceive, interact, harm and exorcise them but their souls can still live on after they've been exorcised and their bodies have disintegrated.

Seeing things with your sight also isn't ESP, that falls under Enhanced Senses, ESP is for a "sixth sense" like how Nobara could sense the presence of curses in the dark without seeing them or how Dragon Ball characters can sense Ki signatures from the other side of the universe.

 

[Robo432343]

sukuna world slashes dio

 

[Sir_sun_man]

DIO didn't use it because this ability is ******* useless against Stands or Stand users. I've already said that before to you.

stands sure, stand users? how is it useless? what? does having a stand all of a sudden mean you are immune to all types of heat and cold? DIO had his hands on polnareff, kakyoin, joseph and jotaro on multiple occasion and instead of using it at all to I donno make sure jotaro can't really do anything by freezing his limbs for example he constantly went for world punches instead or throwing basic ass knifes and I got to say "knife>Freezing someone solid" is a hell of a take.

Its legit just out of character for him to use his vamp abilities in a fight unless its regen which is passive, I mean DIO should by all accounts have his stinger eyes and mind control gaze in part 3 based on the secondary canon you mentioned but he simply never uses it at all.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

hey yall, i was thinking of making a weather report vs sukuna match, but idk if its a good idea

yeah unless you make sukuna bloodlusted to where he goes instant domain, sukuna gets his brain melted into a slug passively by weather.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Basically any stand that directly effects a person or can act on somebody without physical contact. There are only a few I could think of that have a reasonable chance:

• Hanged Man
• Cream
• Heaven’s Door (although it would really only disable Gojo, not outright hurt him)
• Bites the Dust
• Grateful Dead
• Metallica
• Chariot Requiem (this is doubley effective, since it would remove Gojo’s six eyes)
• Heavy Weather
• Act 4/Ball Breaker
• S&W: Go Beyond

yes

• Rainy Day Dream Away

how? its rain, gojo can stop liquid from touching him through infinity or did I miss something about its emphathy bull being a wee bit more transendant.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

sukuna world slashes dio

why? his normal slashes turn dio to mince meat as is.

 

[Chritin]

how? its rain, gojo can stop liquid from touching him through infinity or did I miss something about its emphathy bull being a wee bit more transendant.

Rainy Day Dream Away’s ability doesn’t require physical contact with the rain, it’s just the form of the stand is a rain storm. Now, whether or not Gojo would have a debilitating enough emotion that he would lose is up in the air, but at least it’s still possible for the attack to land.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Rainy Day Dream Away’s ability doesn’t require physical contact with the rain, it’s just the form of the stand is a rain storm. Now, whether or not Gojo would have a debilitating enough emotion that he would lose is up in the air, but at least it’s still possible for the attack to land.

Ah fuсk, I totally forgot about it.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

@Chritin oh and btw you fogot made in heaven and GER both can for sure hit gojo due to infinite speed

 

[Rosa]

Because spirits in other verses are usually just souls whereas Cursed Spirits are shown to also have bodies that become more physical when they're made of more Cursed Energy and you don't need soul perception to perceive, interact, harm and exorcise them but their souls can still live on after they've been exorcised and their bodies have disintegrated.

this just reads like a distinction without a difference, where curse spirits have all the properties of souls but just without being called souls.

1. Both cursed spirits and souls can phase through solid mass
2. Both cursed spirits and souls are imperceptible to the human senses, existing along some other plane with a unique light (i.e. Bleach for instance)
3. Curse spirits are even compared to in property to "regular spirits", suggesting the soul and spirit are distinct

Saying "well their intangibility and invisibility to the sense isn't the same because it's not spiritual" is the equivalent of relying on keywords for scaling beyond broader context. I still fail to see how JJK's "second wavelength of light" is different meaningfully to Bleach's "spiritual light" and why it's such an issue.

 

[Giannysmag]

I think it'd be really funny if next chapter ends like this except it's a Kenjakufied Gota and Sukuna

Jujutsu Kaisen part 2 trust in the vision

 

[Chritin]

@Chritin oh and btw you fogot made in heaven and GER both can for sure hit gojo due to infinite speed

Well yeah, them too, but they’re boooooooooring.

(Not actually, I’m just scared from talking about them lol)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think it'd be really funny if next chapter ends like this except it's a Kenjakufied Gota and Sukuna

Jujutsu Kaisen part 2 trust in the vision

I don't think he can Absorb Sukuna but would be funny if he comes back and makes Sukuna activate the merger somehow. End of Part 1 JJK.

 

[Giannysmag]

I don't think he can Absorb Sukuna but would be funny if he comes back and makes Sukuna activate the merger somehow. End of Part 1 JJK.

He is gonna take over Sukuna's body to start the merger himself trust

 

[Giannysmag]

Now the real question is, who is @LIFE_OF_KING going to impregnate if Kenny returns?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Your mom

 

[SunDaGamer]

1. Both cursed spirits and souls can phase through solid mass

Only low grade curses which have little Cursed Energy can phase through solid matter, if a Cursed Spirit has more Cursed Energy then their body winds up being more physical which is kind of an odd choice on Gege's part tbh, that'd be like if a ghost lost the ability to phase through walls and had to opt for breaking them to get past if it was made of more ectoplasm than other ghosts.

2. Both cursed spirits and souls are imperceptible to the human senses, existing along some other plane with a unique light (i.e. Bleach for instance)

Cursed Spirits and Jujutsu Sorcery are imperceptible to humans because they're made up of Cursed Energy and Gege went through the more scientific route of explaining that they lie on a second form of the visible light spectrum brains can't process. We aren't told that it's the same case with souls, there are people like Sukuna who learned how to do it by having to share a body with somebody else's soul or people who can do it thanks to their Cursed Technique like Mahito and likely Kenjaku too. It's not like the soul of a Cursed Spirit is on a layer higher than the soul of a Human/Sorcerer either since Yuji's soul perception would be based on his and Sukuna's souls and that's all he needed to harm Mahito's soul. Then there's someone like Daido who is a non-sorcerer that can't see Cursed Energy but learned how to perceive souls likely by advancing as a swordsman to the point that he was in sync with the soul of his katana. Even if JJK and another verse applied the unique light concept to souls, using layering in cross-verse matchups wouldn't necessarily work for the same reason why a dude who can perceive Ultraviolet light wouldn't automatically be assumed to be able to see Infrared and have X-Ray vision too. With JJK it's specifically said to be a second form of the visible light spectrum another verse might operate on another portion of the EM spectrum.

3. Curse spirits are even compared to in property to "regular spirits", suggesting the soul and spirit are distinct

Gege was asked about Gojo's statement regarding Hanami in the official fanbook. According to both the fan translation and viz translation, it's like cursed spirits are a family whilst whatever Gojo referred to Hanami as (regular spirit/natural spirit depending on the tl) is simply a genus falling under it rather than "regular spirits" being a whole different kind of spirit separate from curses. It's like how Vengeful Spirits like Rika or Naoya and Imaginary Vengeful Spirits like old yokai and local deities fall under the umbrella of Cursed Spirits.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@Giannysmag we should give Plot Manipulation for Yuji