Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sir_sun_man]

When fighting Yuji all we get is him doing double-punches again, closest we get to any innovative H2H movement is him blocking Yuji's punch by moving his arm to the left with one hand before following it up with a hook from his other (something which doesn't require 4 arms to do).

Sukuna rarely uses his additional arms in skillful ways. In the recent chapters fighting Yuji he's not using any grapples or combinations, just punching with two arms in the same swing trajectory like this, and Yuta in Gojo's body was lowkey ragdolling Sukuna. The only time I think Sukuna used any grapple techniques was with Kashimo and he only successfully did so due to a large speed difference.

you really do ignore quite a bit in the fight do ya?



The moment sukuna gets his 3 extra arms back he punches yuji in the face proceeds to grab his right arm uses his left under arm to force a block from yuji's left and then slammed into him with both of his right hands, he then proceeds to slam yuji in the face with a knee, dodges the floor cleave and proceeds to grab onto yuji's shirt with his top left in order to pull yuji in to slam him with a left hook from his under arm after which point yuji pops the domain and seals off sukuna's two extra arms due to HWB


actually I went through the whole sukuna showdown and guess what every time we see him with all 4 of his arms he uses a grapple of some kind or another to amp his strikes with the other 2 hands



every time sukuna actually got into H2H with his two extra arms he has been using them to either parry incoming attacks or grapple opponents but for 90% of the current show down sukuna is A: "missing one bottom hand while the other is split in half", B: " missing both of his left hands and his lower right is still split open" or C: " has both his lower limbs sealed doing the HWB sign" so of course he isn't doing much in terms innovative grappling because he flat out can't with one fully functioning hand.

as for the current fight, sukuna is tweaking the fuсk out cuse yuji is about to put him down like a rabid dog while his domain is constantly soul dismantling sukuna so I'd say he isn't in his right state of mind for proper H2H.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

could jojo stands bypass infinity?

 

[Arkenis]

could jojo stands bypass infinity?

No, given what we know they exist within the world and Sukuna needed to target that itself to bypass it.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

could jojo stands bypass infinity?

Nah, Gojo can see things that are invisible to people who see invisible thing, which is the same case for Stands (invisible to people who see invisible things), so he can percibe them and blocks out

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

No, given what we know they exist within the world and Sukuna needed to target that itself to bypass it.

i heard an arguemnt that since gojo limetless works on a atomic level, stands can bypass it since they are made of sub-atomic particles

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

and also this one

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

i heard an arguemnt that since gojo limetless works on a atomic level, stands can bypass it since they are made of sub-atomic particles

Everything is made by sub-atomic particles

Plus, it can stop lightning

 

[Arkenis]

i heard an arguemnt that since gojo limetless works on a atomic level, stands can bypass it since they are made of sub-atomic particles

That is not what that scan says. And everything is made of subatom particles

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

i heard an arguemnt that since gojo limetless works on a atomic level, stands can bypass it since they are made of sub-atomic particles

To be honest i hear arguments that Limitless works at sub-atomic current (Sukuna not using his weapons to shoot lightning which are electrons or Jogo's heat can't touch him even though heat is nothing more than energy without particles), the atomic level is said by Miguel with the information that Geto had when he was young, Gojo became extremely stronger until now.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Everything is made by sub-atomic particles

Plus, it can stop lightning

 

[Rosa]

you really do ignore quite a bit in the fight do ya?

literally everything you mentioned I addressed in the message so... I literally mentioned him grabbing Yuji's arm and I mentioned him grabbing people's arm in the early stages of the fight, writing buckets of paragraphs glazing those 3 scenes ain't gonna save the fact that Sukuna simply can't fight in a skilled fashion and is carried by stats + 4 arms.

 

[Arkenis]

This is such a huge misunderstanding about Gojo. Infinity isn't able to "work" on an atomic level, Gojo's manipulation of curse energy works on an atomic level to control space. Which even that doesn't make sense, how tf does atomic manipulation of ce allow controlling space? And Gojo should also get Small size interaction for this.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I aint debating a discord guy while on vsb forum lol

 

[Rosa]

This is such a huge misunderstanding about Gojo. Infinity isn't able to "work" on an atomic level, Gojo's manipulation of curse energy works on an atomic level to control space. Which even that doesn't make sense, how tf does atomic manipulation of ce allow controlling space? And Gojo should also get Small size interaction for this.

another thing is the poison argument, so many people think if you lace an attack with poison it can somehow bypass infinity (I've seen arguments characters can punch through infinity via having poisonous touch and whatnot), when what Gojo's actually saying is he has trouble distinguishing poisonous objects from regular objects with the automatic danger function.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

To be honest i hear arguments that Limitless works at sub-atomic current (Sukuna not using his weapons to shoot lightning which are electrons or Jogo's heat can't touch him even though heat is nothing more than energy without particles), the atomic level is said by Miguel with the information that Geto had when he was young, Gojo became extremely stronger until now.

thoughts on this?

 

[Arkenis]

Don't listen to him. CE literally controls creations of the world and shapes it in various aspects. Kashimo's electricity functions just like electricity and Gege made sure to give it similarities to electricity. Gojo never said he can't block out light, and Gojo has difficulty with poison due to analyzing it the differences.

 

[Arkenis]

thoughts on this?

This is SO dumb. Gojo's infinity is him bringing the idea of infinity into reality to function locally, why would it only be able to stop ce based creations.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

he saying since heat and lighting there weren't natural (they were made of ce) dont count and natural lighting should be able to bypass infinity

This is SO dumb. Gojo's infinity is him bringing the idea of infinity into reality to function locally, why would it only be able to stop ce based creations.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

im going to be fair too here, he thinks DIO wins against Sukuna because of "light speed punches on time stop" and "CE reinforcement will stop because of time stop"

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

another argument about stands bypassing infinity

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

im going to be fair too here, he thinks DIO wins against Sukuna because of "light speed punches on time stop" and "CE reinforcement will stop because of time stop"

Za Warudo punching Gojo

 

[Arkenis]

he saying since heat and lighting there weren't natural (they were made of ce) dont count and natural lighting should be able to bypass infinity

Yeah ik, and I'm saying the notion itself is absurd. The infinity isn't regulated to only ce based creations, it's the real phenomenon of infinity being locally applied to Gojo.

im going to be fair too here, he thinks DIO wins against Sukuna because of "light speed punches on time stop" and "CE reinforcement will stop because of time stop"

Okay I don't necessarily disagree. Dio does win due to time stop, and if you just decide to ignore how KE functions, then a light speed punch would destroy Sukuna. Even without that, Stands can just phase through and crush his heart in time stop.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Nah, Gojo can see things that are invisible to people who see invisible thing, which is the same case for Stands (invisible to people who see invisible things), so he can percibe them and blocks out

Only stand users can see stands that haven't been imbued into physical objects and that rule extends to non-stand users that can perceive ghosts and souls, stands would be invisible to everyone in JJK

 

[SunDaGamer]

Za Warudo punching Gojo

The Class G heart grab would be devastating if that was actually a tactic DIO picked up from Jotaro

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Even without that, Stands can just phase through and crush his heart in time stop.

sukuna did still manage to survive without a heart

 

[Arkenis]

Only stand users can see stands that haven't been imbued into physical objects and that rule extends to non-stand users that can perceive ghosts and souls, stands would be invisible to everyone in JJK

I think Gojo and those who can see Sukuna's slashes should be able to see no? Stands just have layered invisibility and Sukuna's slashes are layered.

 

[Arkenis]

Also, time to revive this match since Jojo is being talked about.

The Ultimate Life Form vs The King of Curses

VS SBA Speed Equalized Both have Prior Knowledge Starting Distance - 100 Meters Location - Sonoran Desert Ultimate Life Form Kars 15 Fingers Yuji Vessel Sukuna - 1.72 Kilotons Kars - 642 Tons Naked Fighter: IamMadeOutOfStone, Arkenis, Eganergo Chef:

vsbattles.com

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Only stand users can see stands that haven't been imbued into physical objects and that rule extends to non-stand users that can perceive ghosts and souls, stands would be invisible to everyone in JJK

So that should make Jujutsu attacks invisible to stands users

 

[SunDaGamer]

I think Gojo and those who can see Sukuna's slashes should be able to see no? Stands just have layered invisibility and Sukuna's slashes are layered.

Applying layered invis like that is kinda nonsensical since this is more of a condition-based thing. Gojo being able to see Sukuna's cursed energy slashes has no correlation to whatever the virus that creates stand users does to the physiology of a stand user

 

[SunDaGamer]

So that should make Jujutsu attacks invisible to stands users

I mean yeah? Jujutsu attacks are made of Cursed Energy which require your brain to be configured for Jujutsu Sorcery or at least have a Cursed Technique engraved on you for you to be able to regularly perceive them

 

[Arkenis]

Applying layered invis is kinda nonsensical since this is more of a condition-based thing. Gojo being able to see Sukuna's cursed energy slashes has no correlation to whatever the virus that creates stand users does to the physiology of a stand user

Wdym? Stands are just vital energy/soul, with ce being invisible -> Sukuna's slashes being even more invisible -> Soul being more invisible -> Gojo can see souls. He should be able to see them.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Wdym? Stands are just vital energy/soul, with ce being invisible -> Sukuna's slashes being even more invisible -> Soul being more invisible -> Gojo can see souls. He should be able to see them.

Only stand users can see stands that haven't been imbued into physical objects and that rule extends to non-stand users that can perceive ghosts and souls, stands would be invisible to everyone in JJK

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The Class G heart grab would be devastating if that was actually a tactic DIO picked up from Jotaro

Not even Jotaro uses that incombat

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

why do people always say stuff like this?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

why do people always say stuff like this?

So base Shadow (Sonic) has access to everything in his verse now?

 

[Arkenis]

them

I'm reading the Stand page. Stand's have layered invisibility because

Note: In order to see, touch or sense Stands, the character in question would need some form of enhanced Extrasensory Perception and enhanced Non-Physical Interaction, something above what ghosts can see, sense or touch. This is because not even ghosts or spirts can see or touch Stands, as seen with Reimi Sugimoto's interactions with Heaven's Door. Another instance where this happened, was when Mikitaka could not see Crazy Diamond, but was able to see and interact with Reimi Sugimoto.

In JJK this is different, Soul's are the top of the layering instead. Just because spirits are lesser invisible in Jojo doesn't mean they are in JJK.

 

[Arkenis]

why do people always say stuff like this?

Just debating to debate. Only thing Kars could probably do is utilize CE through intelligence and his genetics

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Just debating to debate. Only thing Kars could probably do is utilize CE through intelligence and his genetics

so kars can use CE? can kars get a CT?

 

[Arkenis]

so kars can use CE? can kars get a CT?

Likely. Using ce is rare and requires the brain being adjusted to be able to do so, I don't doubt he'd be able to figure it out after interacting with ce. And maybe? Getting a ct happens after some time iirc and it's genetic.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also, you can only get 1 CT, only in rare cases where the primary CT allows it, as is the case with Yuta and Kenny, even them are limited