Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[SunDaGamer]

Wdym? Stands are just vital energy/soul, with ce being invisible -> Sukuna's slashes being even more invisible -> Soul being more invisible -> Gojo can see souls. He should be able to see them.

Only stand users can see stands that haven't been imbued into physical objects and that rule extends to non-stand users that can perceive ghosts and souls, stands would be invisible to everyone in JJK

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The Class G heart grab would be devastating if that was actually a tactic DIO picked up from Jotaro

Not even Jotaro uses that incombat

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

why do people always say stuff like this?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

why do people always say stuff like this?

So base Shadow (Sonic) has access to everything in his verse now?

 

[Arkenis]

them

I'm reading the Stand page. Stand's have layered invisibility because

Note: In order to see, touch or sense Stands, the character in question would need some form of enhanced Extrasensory Perception and enhanced Non-Physical Interaction, something above what ghosts can see, sense or touch. This is because not even ghosts or spirts can see or touch Stands, as seen with Reimi Sugimoto's interactions with Heaven's Door. Another instance where this happened, was when Mikitaka could not see Crazy Diamond, but was able to see and interact with Reimi Sugimoto.

In JJK this is different, Soul's are the top of the layering instead. Just because spirits are lesser invisible in Jojo doesn't mean they are in JJK.

 

[Arkenis]

why do people always say stuff like this?

Just debating to debate. Only thing Kars could probably do is utilize CE through intelligence and his genetics

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Just debating to debate. Only thing Kars could probably do is utilize CE through intelligence and his genetics

so kars can use CE? can kars get a CT?

 

[Arkenis]

so kars can use CE? can kars get a CT?

Likely. Using ce is rare and requires the brain being adjusted to be able to do so, I don't doubt he'd be able to figure it out after interacting with ce. And maybe? Getting a ct happens after some time iirc and it's genetic.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also, you can only get 1 CT, only in rare cases where the primary CT allows it, as is the case with Yuta and Kenny, even them are limited

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

oh okay

 

[SunDaGamer]

In JJK this is different, Soul's are the top of the layering instead. Just because spirits are lesser invisible in Jojo doesn't mean they are in JJK.

Being layered above Cursed Energy related phenomena doesn't actually prove that the souls in JJK would have superior layering to anything spiritual. The physical bodies of Cursed Spirits and Cursed Energy exist as a second form of light that a normal human brain can't usually perceive but wearing special glasses, like how we have thermal goggles to see infrared which is outside the visible light spectrum, can let non-sorcerers like the President of the USA see curses. Souls being impercetible is a whole different topic since it's possible for non-sorcerers like Daido, who don't know even know a lick about using Cursed Energy let alone seeing curses, to perceive them

 

[Arkenis]

Being layered above Cursed Energy related phenomena doesn't actually prove that the souls in JJK would have superior layering to anything spiritual. The physical bodies of Cursed Spirits and Cursed Energy exist as a second form of light that a normal human brain can't usually perceive but wearing special glasses, like how we have thermal goggles to see infrared which is outside the visible light spectrum, can let non-sorcerers like the President of the USA see curses. Souls being impercetible is a whole different topic since it's possible for non-sorcerers like Daido, who don't know even know a lick about using Cursed Energy let alone seeing curses, to perceive them

It's not different. CE is still spiritual, Cursed Spirits are still spiritual. And Daido couldn't see souls, he was seeing everything else and predicting off that like Maki did.

 

[Rosa]

thoughts on this?

Kashimo's CT isn't lightning, Kashimo can manipulate the positive and negative charges within CE to release them as bolts of lightning. It's not CE shaped as lightning being fired, but lightning produced from the charges within CE (i.e. fully natural).

 

[Rosa]

The broader point should be that the way Gojo's infinity works is through manipulating space, so anything which travels along space would logically be affected (including sub-atomic energy, including intangible or spiritual substances, including electricity or things which exist as a wave), the only debate to be had is whether or not Gojo needs to be able to react to the speed of the incoming thing to bend space at a fast enough rate to stop it.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

can you bypass infinity if you’re faster than six eyes can compute?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

can you bypass infinity if you’re faster than six eyes can compute?

The funniest thing about this interpretation is the ideia that Mahoraga actually just needed to go faster instead of target space itself to cut Gojo

 

[M3X_2.0]

another argument about stands bypassing infinity

There are Stands that could easily bypass Infinity

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

There are Stands that could easily bypass Infinity

tusk act 4 can

 

[M3X_2.0]

tusk act 4 can

Wonder Of U as well.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Wonder Of U as well.

may explain that one pls

 

[Nullflowerblush]

another argument about stands bypassing infinity

If Stands can be affected by space being distorted,—which they can; see The Hand, C-Moon,—then they can be impeded by the Limitless.
Moreover, Toji Fushiguro is completely devoid of Cursed Energy and yet required a Cursed Tool which specifically disrupts Cursed Techniques in attacking Gojo.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

If Stands can be affected by space being distorted,—which they can; see The Hand, C-Moon,—then they can be impeded by the Limitless.

isn't that just stand getting affected by another stand abilities, It gets affected by space because another stands ability caused that to happen quoting a friend "Just because stand that can affect another stand, actually affects another stand with its space manip doesn’t mean they can be affected by every form of space manip"
or is my friend stopid?

 

[Arkenis]

isn't that just stand getting affected by another stand abilities, It gets affected by space because another stands ability caused that to happen quoting a friend "Just because stand that can affect another stand, actually affects another stand with its space manip doesn’t mean they can be affected by every form of space manip"
or is my friend stopid?

What makes the space manip any different from space manip?

 

[M3X_2.0]

may explain that one pls

Tooru’s profile.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

What makes the space manip any different from space manip?

the space manip comes from a stand or something while gojo doesn't

 

[Arkenis]

the space manip comes from a stand or something while gojo doesn't

How does that make it different space manip.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

How does that make it different space manip.

Stands are said to be only affected by other stands, so it makes sense that the only type of space manip they get affected by is the space manip of another stand, sorry if this is an stupid question

 

[Sir_sun_man]

he saying since heat and lighting there weren't natural (they were made of ce) dont count and natural lighting should be able to bypass infinity

bring up toji, the man specifically has no CE in him what so ever (backed up by literally everything in the narrative) and he couldn't bypass Infinity without a special weapon.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

im going to be fair too here, he thinks DIO wins against Sukuna because of "light speed punches on time stop" and "CE reinforcement will stop because of time stop"

ah yes light speed punches from a being of dubious matter and CE reinforcement that is already in effect will for what ever reason just turn off the second time stops.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Okay I don't necessarily disagree. Dio does win due to time stop, and if you just decide to ignore how KE functions, then a light speed punch would destroy Sukuna. Even without that, Stands can just phase through and crush his heart in time stop.

 

[M3X_2.0]

This is only temporary. Sukuna would’ve died by Maki if he didn’t make his heart beat and regenerate.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

This is only temporary. Sukuna would’ve died by Maki if he didn’t make his heart beat and regenerate.

yeah, whats preventing that exactly? its not like his heart needs to beat if time is stopped.

 

[M3X_2.0]

yeah, whats preventing that exactly? its not like his heart needs to beat if time is stopped.

What are you even talking about

 

[Arkenis]

yeah, whats preventing that exactly? its not like his heart needs to beat if time is stopped.

Time stop happening what like every couple of seconds. And the fact Dio's time stop gets longer and longer. Then take into account the other abilities like him absorbing him, him targeting his eyes, he can freeze all of Sukuna's water killing him instantly.

 

[Arkenis]

Stands are said to be only affected by other stands, so it makes sense that the only type of space manip they get affected by is the space manip of another stand, sorry if this is an stupid question

That doesn't make sense when you put it into context. It's talking about Stands interacting with one another. If this was the case the calamity, a force of the universe should not have an effect on them.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This is only temporary. Sukuna would’ve died by Maki if he didn’t make his heart beat and regenerate.

Why Maki didnt aim his head, is she stupid

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Why Maki didnt aim his head, is she stupid

She think she is Thor

 

[SunDaGamer]

It's not different. CE is still spiritual, Cursed Spirits are still spiritual.

The body of a Cursed Spirit and the soul of a Cursed Spirit have some distinction. You don't have to be able to perceive the soul to see, interact with and harm a Cursed Spirit's body (which is made of Cursed Energy, that's why they are invisible to normal people in the first place) and by damaging a curse's body enough with CE, you can exorcise one irrespective of anything relating to sensing souls. It took a Cursed Spirit whose whole CT revolves around manipulating souls to form a Cursed Spirit that can't be truly harmed without soul perception. Hell, Cursed Spirits literally become more physical when their bodies are made of more CE. There's also the stuff with Jogo saying their souls will circulate after their deaths and Jogo talking to Hanami and Dagon's souls after their bodies have been reduced to char or smoke.

And Daido couldn't see souls, he was seeing everything else and predicting off that like Maki did.

Daido awakening the Split Soul Katana's true power thanks to his senses is what Maki was trying to achieve

 

[Rosa]

How is cursed spirits operating on a different wavelength of light which is entirely undetectable by human senses any different from a spirit in another verse which is only visible through extrasensory perception?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

What are you even talking about

you said that he would've died if he didn't regen, why wouldn't he regen if his heart got crushed? he can clearly live without one for an extended period of time, so why wouldn't he just ya know get out of time stop restart his blood circ with CE and regen with RCT?