Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Guacamolefletcher]

Kenjaku is better at curse spirit manipulation than Geto ever was

BTW this is good additional consistency that the condition to be a semi-grade 1 curse is to wield Jujutsu.

Gege said it, but on top of that, we have Kenjaku saying it. The reason he can't extract CTs from grade 2 curses is they don't have CTs

Gojo himself considered Geto's strategic knowledge almost infallible

This is hype at the level even the narrator doesn't give. Gojo never says it's "infallible," he says it's hard to say he'd start a war he wouldn't win. The wincon for Geto in the war is getting Rika, and powering up all his weak-ahh curses. With this, he'd be capable of retreating, and creating an army that'd let him conquer the world.

Killing all ningen is the wincon, not beating Gojo. He can wait until after to see what happens. He probably even thinks it's OK if he dies, if there's only jujutsushi left.

and when he was in arms length of Geto he couldn't attack out of fear Geto would have enough speed to react and harm the students

He's being cautious, and speed is a non-factor considering how most sorcerers aren't drastically that fast. Gojo's combat speed isn't superb

something Kenjaku absolutely cannot do given he saw 16F Sukuna and Gojo as a blur when they clashed

Never happened. Kenjaku is ~ Sukuna and Gojo in real combat speed, Gojo edges them out using blue to warp space

Even unbiased perspectives like Mei Mei sided with Geto winning the war

How does Mei Mei reliably know their power levels? Also it could literally be a taunt.

Further, we then Miguel who's physically equal to Volume 0 Gojo in certain areas who Geto believed could only stall Gojo (compared to believing he could BEAT Gojo), and with this same Miguel have vastly inferior feats compared to current Gojo

Miguel's physicals ~ Gojo's physicals, sure. Gojo ~< Ryu too

 

[Arkenis]

I mean, isn't it like needed to show the details and Subtypes of each Powers and Abilities. There's more harm not showing it too. Just sayin

This is like saying ce stuff should just be on characters page's, we have verse specific pna pages for a reason after all. People can go there to find the details of stuff if they aren't sure.

 

[Arkenis]

Kenjaku is ~ Sukuna and Gojo in real combat speed,

 

[Arkenis]

@Rosa Hey what do you think about Alienation/Isolation being the bigger theme in JJK than Death/Humanity?

I remembered how Hakari and Maki also have monster/inhuman statements about themselves which ties in with Yuta and the fact they themselves are willing to alienate themselves while the other students aren't/don't have the drive and selfishness they do. And this as well can be seen with Gojo, Kenjaku, Sukuna, Yuji.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Anyway, crazy how Kenjaku is coming back

Spoiler

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Miguel's physicals ~ Gojo's physicals, sure. Gojo ~< Ryu too

A lot of JJk makes more sense if you drop the powerscaler perspective, and realize that Gojo isn't <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< everyone at everything.

Ryu's strongest punch > no CT Gojo

Maki gets canonically statued by mach 1 and she's still relative to 16 finger Sukuna. Their combat speeds aren't that crazy.

The top tiers are top tiers in terms of Jujutsu ability. Sukuna ofc has good AP in-verse, but it's worse than Ryu's as 16F Sukuna. Let's do the math. 16/20 = 80%.

80% of Sukuna's full power gets statued by Mach 1 an is physically weaker than Ryu. Ryu is not drastically that much stronger than someone like Yuta EVEN in terms of physicals.

Gojo and Megumi Sukuna have relative combat speed because the combat speed difference between god tiers and top tiers isn't that big, which is the same reason that nerfed Heian Era Sukuna keeps up with Yuta Gojo. Yuta Gojo isn't magically nerfed in terms of combat speed in a super convenient manner to the point where he'd just blitz and one shot current Heian Era Body (let's call it HEB) Sukuna. They don't talk about Gojo's body being this instant win-con normally against current HEB SUkuna, with Yuta just being nerfed, it makes practically no difference if it's current HEB Sukuna or Megumi Sukuna in terms of who'd win in a fight, what ultimately decides it is jujutsu ability.

The verse makes more sense if you take a grounded perspective.

This also makes sense if you consider the Heian Era Sorcerers. It's not a coincidence that Uro is ~ Yuta in stats, with Uro being a Heian Era Top Tier. Heian Era individuals were stronger than the modern era stuff not cause they had insane speed and punching power, but because they honed their CTs and had domain expansions.

 

[Rosa]

This is hype at the level even the narrator doesn't give. Gojo never says it's "infallible," he says it's hard to say he'd start a war he wouldn't win. The wincon for Geto in the war is getting Rika, and powering up all his weak-ahh curses. With this, he'd be capable of retreating, and creating an army that'd let him conquer the world.

Killing all ningen is the wincon, not beating Gojo. He can wait until after to see what happens. He probably even thinks it's OK if he dies, if there's only jujutsushi left.

Why you combining japanese words with english sentences? Cringe lmfao.

Anyway... Gojo would stop Geto if he ever wanted to do that, he'd need to have a way to incapacitate Gojo in order to wipe off the population of the world. So Gojo thinking Geto would win if he believed he'd win is him putting huge emphasis on his intellect.

He's being cautious, and speed is a non-factor considering how most sorcerers aren't drastically that fast. Gojo's combat speed isn't superb

This is just incorrect. We see even a severely weakened Sukuna perception blitz current top tiers.

Never happened. Kenjaku is ~ Sukuna and Gojo in real combat speed, Gojo edges them out using blue to warp space

I showed why this is incorrect.

How does Mei Mei reliably know their power levels? Also it could literally be a taunt.

Could be, but how consistent is that with the body of statements we have? My point is we could apply scepticism to all these statements, but you're at a level where you're saying a guy who consistent trains and gets stronger didn't get stronger and every other character is mistaken.

Miguel's physicals ~ Gojo's physicals, sure. Gojo ~< Ryu too

Idk why I @'d you, your month off the internet had made me forget how worthless your opinions are...

@Rosa Hey what do you think about Alienation/Isolation being the bigger theme in JJK than Death/Humanity?

I remembered how Hakari and Maki also have monster/inhuman statements about themselves which ties in with Yuta and the fact they themselves are willing to alienate themselves while the other students aren't/don't have the drive and selfishness they do. And this as well can be seen with Gojo, Kenjaku, Sukuna, Yuji.

I largely agree, I think they're kinda embedded concepts though. Themes of strength and isolation are married with this idea of making oneself inhuman, at least in the eyes of the characters which represent the idea of being the strongest.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'll make one for @Guacamolefletcher

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

and realize that Gojo isn't <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< everyone at everything

Theres numerous chapters saying otherwise, where if you want to feel good, you should never compare yourself to Gojo

The ENTIRE fight between Gojo and Sukuna is about them breaking rules of the Jujutsu world that the sorcerers thought it was impossible

Nobody can even stand around Gojo cuz otherwise he wouldn't be capable to use his full power

Gojo could have literally killed Kenjaku in oneshot, the same guy that fought and won against Choso, Yuki and Tengen

He is >>>>>>>>>>> 99% of the verse, and saying otherwise is insane

 

[M3X_2.0]

Funny how every statement in JJK is like

“That mf Naobito is the fastest sorcerer ever!!!! Well, besides Gojo”

They always point out that Gojo IS the number 1 in almost everything. The only things Gojo isn’t the number one is probably RCT speed and CE amount.

 

[ZENZUYA]

Did you guys think yuta posses gojo vs sukuna can be badass battle?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Not as good as some fights from this arc but it will certainly be good.

 

[Rosa]

Guac's examples are also dog shit. "Ryu > Gojo [NO EVIDENCE], Maki = 16F Sukuna [NO EVIDENCE], Maki a blitz level below Naoya [NO EVIDENCE], Uro = Yuta [NO CORRELATION AT ALL], therefore the scaling is 'grounded' [WHATEVER THAT MEANS]".

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I just want a clash between Hollow Purple and Fuga fr

 

[ZENZUYA]

Not as good as some fights from this arc but it will certainly be good.

I don't know what Yuta has prepared for this

but his copy cursed technique can only work for just 4 minutes

 

[Giannysmag]

A lot of JJk makes more sense if you drop the powerscaler perspective, and realize that Gojo isn't <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< everyone at everything.

Is that so?

Spoiler

Argue with Greg not us.

Like let's assume Gojo wasn't the strongest because of pure stats but Jujutsu technique. Then how come Kenjaku, the guy with millions of cursed spirits, barrier techniques rivaling Tengen, 1000+ years of Jujutsu experience, 4 different CTs, an open barrier domain and the body of a special grade sorcerer that could 1v2 Rika and Yuta in V0 doesn't even consider it possible to defeat Gojo? He should be the most well equiped person on the planet to beat someone of comparable stats, yet he doesn't even attempt to beat Gojo in a direct fight and is hanging around daddy Sukuna so that he doesn't get killed by him.

Maki gets canonically statued by mach 1 and she's still relative to 16 finger Sukuna. Their combat speeds aren't that crazy.

She literally reacted to and punched Mach 1 Naoya before she even got her precog

The top tiers are top tiers in terms of Jujutsu ability. Sukuna ofc has good AP in-verse, but it's worse than Ryu's as 16F Sukuna. Let's do the math. 16/20 = 80%.

He one shot Ryu with Cleave tf are you talking about?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Ryu > Gojo

Peak

 

[ZENZUYA]

I just want a clash between Hollow Purple and Fuga fr

Two attacks that can one shot mahoraga

#RipShinjuku

 

[M3X_2.0]

The funniest thing ever is that Yuta is also the second to Gojo in statements and hype lmao

I’ll actually gather them all

 

[JnSteHar002]

A lot of JJk makes more sense if you drop the powerscaler perspective, and realize that Gojo isn't <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< everyone at everything.

I don't exactly "agree" w/the other takes but I do see the logic.

Gojo and Sukuna are w/out a doubt THE GODS of JJK but there are still characters (only a few sure, but still) that match, if not, surpass them in a few skills and/or areas of expertise.

 

[Arkenis]

RCT: Kinji "Automatic" Hakari
Senses: Maki "Clan Killer" Zenin
Sorcery: Ryomen "King of Curses" Sukuna
Barriers: Kenjaku "Just For Fun"
Knowledge: Kenjaku "Just For Fun"
Black Flash: Yuji Himtadori

Where is Gojo? Not here.

 

[Damage3245]

Where is Gojo? Not here.

"With regard to cursed technique... I'm overwhelmingly stronger." - Gojo Satoru

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Ain't beating Hakari's tho

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

@Guacamolefletcher versus @Arkenis

 

[Rosa]

RCT: Kinji "Automatic" Hakari
Senses: Maki "Clan Killer" Zenin
Sorcery: Ryomen "King of Curses" Sukuna
Barriers: Kenjaku "Just For Fun"
Knowledge: Kenjaku "Just For Fun"
Black Flash: Yuji Himtadori

Where is Gojo? Not here.

I actually think Gojo is the person being referenced when Tengen makes the statement of there being an exceedingly few sorcerers who match him in barrier techniques. There's a lot of instances where Gojo displays insane barrier knowledge, even downplaying Tengen's at times, and his proficiency with barriers against Sukuna solidifies it imo.

 

[Giannysmag]

You gotta update this every time this mf Arkenis changes pfps

 

[M3X_2.0]

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@Guacamolefletcher versus @Arkenis

SHUT THE **** UP ARKENIS

SHUT THE **** UP GUACAMOLEFLETCHER

 

[M3X_2.0]

I actually think Gojo is the person being referenced when Tengen makes the statement of there being an exceedingly few sorcerers who match him in barrier techniques. There's a lot of instances where Gojo displays insane barrier knowledge, even downplaying Tengen's at times, and his proficiency with barriers against Sukuna solidifies it imo.

The fact that he shrunk his barrier in like, less than a month after only looking at the inside of the cube is astonishing.

 

[Rosa]

Before I came to VSBW Guac would tell me on discord how my takes are absurd compares to his because he's well-respected and widely revered among VSBW users and was apparently even asked to make some JJK profiles because of his "valued contributions", so I'm glad to know he was bullshitting his own hype

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You gotta update this every time this mf Arkenis changes pfps

Personality disorder

 

[M3X_2.0]

Before I came to VSBW Guac would tell me on discord how my takes are absurd compares to his because he's well-respected and widely revered among VSBW users and was apparently even asked to make some JJK profiles because of his "valued contributions", so I'm glad to know he was bullshitting his own hype

He gets consistently cooked by Tempest on Discord lmao

 

[Avengershows]

Everyone clowns on Megumi for always bringing out Mahoraga for the worst stuff but tbh if I could I'd be as petty if not pettier than Megumi.

 

[Giannysmag]

Everyone clowns on Megumi for always bringing out Mahoraga for the worst stuff but tbh if I could I'd be as petty if not pettier than Megumi.

Real, imagine how fun it'd be arguing with people here if i could summon Mahoraga. Like "oh you disagree that JJK is High Uni and FTL? WITH THIS SACRED TREASURE I SUMMON"

 

[M3X_2.0]

Everyone clowns on Megumi for always bringing out Mahoraga for the worst stuff but tbh if I could I'd be as petty if not pettier than Megumi.

The thing is, besides like two occasions where he threatened to use Mahoraga, he could consistently defeat everyone else like Todo or Finger Bearer 2 with the team play of his different summons.

 

[Avengershows]

The thing is, besides like two occasions where he threatened to use Mahoraga, he could consistently defeat everyone else like Todo or Finger Bearer 2 with the team play of his different summons.

Yeah idc it's still pettier and funnier to just pull out Mahoraga.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He didnt tried to use Mahoraga against Todo.

He only tried to use it against Sukuna, Toji, Finger Bearer 2 and Hanami

Sukuna, Toji and Hanami he wouldnt be capable to win anyway

Finger Bearer he started to use crack and won

 

[M3X_2.0]

He didnt tried to use Mahoraga against Todo.

He did

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He did

Thats some headcanon cuz he didnt even made the gesture

 

[M3X_2.0]

He did.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Mf what do you think he was gonna do after he said “I’ll show you!!” to Todo and making him impressed/scare?

Summon a frog? Open his shitty Domain? Be fr.