Arkenis
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This is mainly off who wins. My Kashimo placement is specifically on the basis he'll likely be scaling to Sukuna from here on.
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Giannysmag
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Kenjaku in the same tier as current Gojo and a tier above pre-PS gojo is crazy. Also Mahito and Mahoraga are too lowThis is mainly off who wins. My Kashimo placement is specifically on the basis he'll likely be scaling to Sukuna from here on.
Arkenis
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Kenjaku is at the bottom. Considering he won a 1v3 against Yuki, Choso and Tengen I’m inclined to think he’d beat anyone not Gojo and Sukuna. Kashimo could change my mind though. Mahito’s not beating Maki or Hig and I think Megumi’s domain is probably enough to handle Mahito. He’s also just not fast enough to overwhelm those above him. Mahoraga dies to anyone above him whether from being stronger or because they can one shot with hax and domain like Uro.
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Why would he beat pre pr Gojo, the reason he sealed Gojo is that Gojo would've killed him, he lost twice to six eyes users and after that he gave up on fighting them because he has no hope, he was even going to use Sukuna to fight Gojo in shibuya if the sealing didn't work
Edit: even 15F Meguna should be above Kenjaku, he saved him from Gojo when he got unsealed
Giannysmag
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Even so why is he a whole tier above pre-PS Gojo, the guy he had to seal because he had no way to beat in a straight fight
Mahito can always just expand his own domain against Higuruma and Megumi
How is Uro gonna one shot Mahoraga?????
Arkenis
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So he beat Gojo then?
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What?
Arkenis
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Why it gotta be in a straight fight?
They can too? And higuruma’s domain is faster
She’s strong enough.
Arkenis
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He beat Gojo? Just cuz he aint kill Gojo or beat him in a normal way he still ended up beating him.
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Then go on and put Mahito, Jogo and Choso up there, you just used a specific case where Kenjaku used 3 special grade curses and Choso to make Gojo reach the edge then he interfered and sealed him as a proof that Kenjaku can beat Gojo?
Giannysmag
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Cause thats point of a powerscaling tier listWhy it gotta be in a straight fight?
I dont think Higurumas domain speed is ever brought up
No she isnt, her strongest attack is thin ice breaker which an offguard Yuta tanked
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Using a very specific case like that to determine that Kenjaku is above Gojo even when we all know that Kenjaku didn't do that alone is just silly, how about the other situations where Gojo would've beaten the hell out of Kenjaku, also why did u put Kashimo above pre pr Gojo? We still don't know his CT, and with normal CE manipulation Gojo will mop the floor with him
Arkenis
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I said the tierlist is who wins not simply power.
Higuruma seems far better with domain techniques so I wouldn’t be surprised if Higuruma whips out domain amp or simple domain against Mahito. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he’s simply just faster with domain.
Arkenis
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Yuta’s above Mahoraga. All she needs is domain and its over
Arkenis
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/jujutsu-kaisen-discussion-page-1.68289/post-6057560 read what i said about Kashimo. And a lot of these are very specific cases of how some of them win.
Arkenis
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Uro is stronger, Mahoraga's durability initially is only at the level of Red prior to any adaptation as Gojo was going to use Red to kill it so I don't see Mahoraga being strong beyond that. Uro, Yuta and Ryu all would one shot Jogo, the same guy who withstood Red, the same guy who Sukuna considers strong but classified Mahoraga as probably 3f level.
Giannysmag
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Fair
So lets say Higuruma wins the domain battle and he gets the executioner sword. Now they can both one shot eachtother but Mahito is faster and has big AOE attacls that can help him get the jump on Hig
Giannysmag
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How far above is an offguard Yuta from Maho? Remember you cant just deal heavy damage to Maho, you need to obliterate him cause otherwise he is gonna regen and adapt. Uro has no feat thta imply she is even close to doing that
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Kashimo will scale to that weakened Sukuna, and that weakened Sukuna scales to his own feats which he still hasn't done any, as he defeated Gojo with a hax, and we don't know if he will use it against Kashimo or not.
And my point on Kenjaku and Gojo isn't like this, this isn't a tier list of "is this possible or not", you used a very specific case for Kenny to put him a whole tier above Gojo even when it's stated many times that under normal circumstances Gojo will mop the floor with Kenjaku, Kenjaku also didn't pull this off alone he used other 4 characters to help him and 3 of them are special grades, in a Gojo vs Kenjaku thread/debate, you can't bring up other characters in, or it won't be Gojo vs Kenjaku anymore but Gojo vs Kenjaku, Jogo, Hanami, Mahito and Choso
Arkenis
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I don't think he's faster. AOE can be dodged as we saw from Yuji and Todo.
In a Kenjaku vs Gojo thread Kenjaku would have several special grade curses and thousands of first grades to summon. It would never be a 1 on 1 in the first place. The circumstances would never be normal by your logic, Kenjaku would have the prison realm as well. I am basically arguing that even without the aid from the disaster curses, Kenjaku would still be capable of setting up this plan, it would likely just be much harder.
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And the same Kenjaku who can use CSM was said multiple times that he cant fight Gojo, needed to hide while other special grades make Gojo reach the edge, then he came while Gojo is going through a CT burnt out and sealed him which is why he needed the help of Jogo and others, if you're saying Kenjaku could've pulled this off aloen then you're simply throwing the plot out of the window
Arkenis
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I'm not. The way this plan was done was because it was Kenjaku's safest route
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By never circumstances I mean Gojo vs Kenjaku, it doesn't matter if he used CSM or whatever, Gojo will wipe him out and mop the floor with him in less than a chapter, Kenjaku needed Jogo and others to hold off Gojo, while Gojo is hindered with hundreds of people, it's a very specific case that Kenjaku wouldn't put it off alone, and you used that very specific case to put him a whole tier above Gojo even when generally speaking Gojo is leagues above Kenjaku
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And he couldn't pull it off alone, he needed the help of others to use it, which by the same logic you should put Mahito, Jogo and Choso above Gojo as well because they also now have a wincon with the help of Kenjaku
Arkenis
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They don't have an arsenal of thousands of curses to form such a plan. You are ignoring the point entirely here.
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And you're ignoring the fact that even with the curses arsenal, Kenjaku didn't do that, he needed Mahito and others to help, saying he can do that alone with CSM is headcanon that you can't prove
Arkenis
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Nah Kenjaku's smart, he could form a plan with his own arsenal, just gonna be a lot harder for him.
Arkenis
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I mean Urahara did do that. If Urahara had in his arsenal Dangai Ichigo, I would also put Urahara above Aizen in a tierlist too.
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Jogo and others weren't in Kenjaku's arsenal, he made a deal with them to get their help, but you're sure Kenjaku can do that alone since the beginning, and this like saying Kisuke could do that from the beginning and putting him a whole tier above Aizen, it's basically a blatant headcanon
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Kenjaku should have all the sorcerers he turned into cursed objects as standard equipment tbh... All matches vs Kenjaku should include Sukuna, Kashimo, Ryu, sky woman, cockroach man, Uraume, you name it. In fact, he could beat Sukuna because Sukuna's in his standard equipment!!!
EldemadeDityjon
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Arkenis
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From what I understand the novels aren't written by Akutami, only supervised so I wouldn't consider it canon. I remember attempting to add BF for Yuta via the movie and that also was shut down. I don't know our standards on site for it.
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We treat them as tertiary cannon, same as we do with the light novels for like bleach and stuff. As long as they don't contradict we're good
EldemadeDityjon
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If Gege approved or storyline has no contradiction with Original timeline with Gege supervision then that can be considered as Canon
EldemadeDityjon
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I think creating a thread for that better then. Daegonx is nitpicking in Gojo CM downgrade thread.
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We don't need a thread for that, are canon page covers tertiary canon fine.
